Portugeezer
Member
This was recorded before the Starfield rumours got shut down a few days ago.
He tried to swing and fell on his face.
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Verge: MS launching Hi-Fi Rush and Pentiment on other platforms, Sea of Thieves later in 2024
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This was recorded before the Starfield rumours got shut down a few days ago.
He tried to swing and fell on his face.
Topher
Gold Member
Doesn't matter when it was recorded and it wasn't shut down at all. Warren never backtracked on that claim.
He never said what game it was so no way to know that he was talking about Starfield. Could have been talking about Blade for all we know.
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
MS literally said they considered their big games and out of their own mouths "we aren't going to completely close the door on them."
Portugeezer
Member
He must really like Grounded then.
Topher
Gold Member
Or Blade or Avowed.....or he is just full of shit.
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poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
So you distrust him enough to believe that he might have outright lied, but trust him enough not to have exaggerated Pentiment or Grounded as a 'big' game?
Topher
Gold Member
I don't know the guy. I have no reason to trust him or distrust him. I'm accounting for multiple possibilities. But if his info is accurate and the game fits the "big" description then it ain't Pentiment. Grounded......I doubt it. Could be Blade or Avowed. Something else? Hell if I know. Neither do you. You were adamant that the game was Pentiment before. Now it could be Grounded? Are you shocked?
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poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
My real prediction was that it would be overhyped - I had 'predicted' candy crush as the type of game it would turn out to be earlier.
The one thing that is consistent with 'insiders' is them overhyping how much they know, how important what they know is, and how sure they are of it.
MilkyJoe
Member
This'll make you laugh (or probably cry)
Sony FY2023 Q3 Earnings Announcement Q&A Summary
Questioner 6Q:
[G&NS and I&SS segments] What will be the keys to improving your operating margin?
A: G&S segment: When it comes to PS5, one challenge that sets this console cycle apart from PS4 and previous generations is that we find it difficult to reduce our costs during the course of the cycle. Unlike high-spec PCs, PS consoles enable us to offer an immersive experience for many people in a safe environment with affordable price. To offer that kind of experience, with costs for components like chips and memory on the rise, one key will be that we continue to sell consoles without substantial discounts [during the course of its product life-cycle] by engaging in product planning that ensures affordability for consumers. Another driver will be first-party titles. Strong titles that achieve growth on PS5, PCs and other platforms will widen our margins. We believe that we have opportunities for margin improvement and intend to pursue them aggressively.
I&SS segment: Our issue is that our sales have not enabled us to sufficiently recoup on the investments and R&D that we have engaged in upfront. It is vital that we strike the right balance between our costs and our ability to capture growth opportunities by minimizing operational losses and managing our investments
How has this not got it's own thread after all of the 3rd party xbox feeding frenzies?
Because the other is mobile.This'll make you laugh (or probably cry)
Sony FY2023 Q3 Earnings Announcement Q&A Summary
Questioner 6Q:
[G&NS and I&SS segments] What will be the keys to improving your operating margin?
A: G&S segment: When it comes to PS5, one challenge that sets this console cycle apart from PS4 and previous generations is that we find it difficult to reduce our costs during the course of the cycle. Unlike high-spec PCs, PS consoles enable us to offer an immersive experience for many people in a safe environment with affordable price. To offer that kind of experience, with costs for components like chips and memory on the rise, one key will be that we continue to sell consoles without substantial discounts [during the course of its product life-cycle] by engaging in product planning that ensures affordability for consumers. Another driver will be first-party titles. Strong titles that achieve growth on PS5, PCs and other platforms will widen our margins. We believe that we have opportunities for margin improvement and intend to pursue them aggressively.
I&SS segment: Our issue is that our sales have not enabled us to sufficiently recoup on the investments and R&D that we have engaged in upfront. It is vital that we strike the right balance between our costs and our ability to capture growth opportunities by minimizing operational losses and managing our investments
How has this not got it's own thread after all of the 3rd party xbox feeding frenzies?
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
This'll make you laugh (or probably cry)
Sony FY2023 Q3 Earnings Announcement Q&A Summary
Questioner 6Q:
[G&NS and I&SS segments] What will be the keys to improving your operating margin?
A: G&S segment: When it comes to PS5, one challenge that sets this console cycle apart from PS4 and previous generations is that we find it difficult to reduce our costs during the course of the cycle. Unlike high-spec PCs, PS consoles enable us to offer an immersive experience for many people in a safe environment with affordable price. To offer that kind of experience, with costs for components like chips and memory on the rise, one key will be that we continue to sell consoles without substantial discounts [during the course of its product life-cycle] by engaging in product planning that ensures affordability for consumers. Another driver will be first-party titles. Strong titles that achieve growth on PS5, PCs and other platforms will widen our margins. We believe that we have opportunities for margin improvement and intend to pursue them aggressively.
I&SS segment: Our issue is that our sales have not enabled us to sufficiently recoup on the investments and R&D that we have engaged in upfront. It is vital that we strike the right balance between our costs and our ability to capture growth opportunities by minimizing operational losses and managing our investments
How has this not got it's own thread after all of the 3rd party xbox feeding frenzies?
This was cleared up days ago. He was talking about mobile and cloud as the other platforms.
MilkyJoe
Member
So when Xboz said first party titles on other platforms they meant Nintendo and PS, but when Sony said it they mean mobile .... of course they did
Another driver will be first-party titles. Strong titles that achieve growth on PS5, PCs and other platforms will widen our margin
laynelane
Member
Considering four titles were just announced for Nintendo and PS, that may have something to do with it. Not to mention that's what all the leaks were saying too (Xbox games going to other consoles). Then there's the Tweet that's been a topic of discussion today:
Where there's smoke, there's fire. That's how I see it, at least.
We also had a thread on what Totoki really meant by "other platforms":
Sony's President quote clarified, "multi-platform" means PS and PC NOT Xbox and Switch
Sony may shrink the gap between the launches of its PlayStation exclusives and PC ports. Company president Hiroki Totoki suggested in a post-earnings call Q&A session Wednesday (via VGC) that he wants PlayStation to go “aggressive on improving our margin performance,” with “multi-platform” games...
MilkyJoe
Member
Considering four titles were just announced for Nintendo and PS, that may have something to do with it. Not to mention that's what all the leaks were saying too (Xbox games going to other consoles). Then there's the Tweet that's been a topic of discussion today:
Where there's smoke, there's fire. That's how I see it, at least.
We also had a thread on what Totoki really meant by "other platforms":
Sony's President quote clarified, "multi-platform" means PS and PC NOT Xbox and Switch
Sony may shrink the gap between the launches of its PlayStation exclusives and PC ports. Company president Hiroki Totoki suggested in a post-earnings call Q&A session Wednesday (via VGC) that he wants PlayStation to go “aggressive on improving our margin performance,” with “multi-platform” games...www.neogaf.com
"Sony may shrink the gap between the launches of its PlayStation exclusives and PC ports. Company president Hiroki Totoki suggested in a post-earnings call Q&A session Wednesday (via VGC) that he wants PlayStation to go “aggressive on improving our margin performance,” with “multi-platform” games playing a significant role. He clarified in the talk that, by multi-platform, he meant on PlayStation and PC — not Xbox or Switch."
"Another driver will be first-party titles. Strong titles that achieve growth on PS5, PCs and other platforms"
I imagine after the xbox uproar, he'd be less inclined to just spill the beans. We all know in our heart of hearts that no first party PS5 games are porting to mobile.
laynelane
Member
Sony committed to mobile a while ago:
Sony Now Has Multiple Studios Working on Mobile Games
Sony reveals that there are already multiple developers working on mobile projects for PlayStation Studios’ push into the portable gaming space.
gamerant.com
The same article talks about their Cloud plans too.
Ass of Can Whooping
Member
This'll make you laugh (or probably cry)
Sony FY2023 Q3 Earnings Announcement Q&A Summary
Questioner 6Q:
[G&NS and I&SS segments] What will be the keys to improving your operating margin?
A: G&S segment: When it comes to PS5, one challenge that sets this console cycle apart from PS4 and previous generations is that we find it difficult to reduce our costs during the course of the cycle. Unlike high-spec PCs, PS consoles enable us to offer an immersive experience for many people in a safe environment with affordable price. To offer that kind of experience, with costs for components like chips and memory on the rise, one key will be that we continue to sell consoles without substantial discounts [during the course of its product life-cycle] by engaging in product planning that ensures affordability for consumers. Another driver will be first-party titles. Strong titles that achieve growth on PS5, PCs and other platforms will widen our margins. We believe that we have opportunities for margin improvement and intend to pursue them aggressively.
I&SS segment: Our issue is that our sales have not enabled us to sufficiently recoup on the investments and R&D that we have engaged in upfront. It is vital that we strike the right balance between our costs and our ability to capture growth opportunities by minimizing operational losses and managing our investments
How has this not got it's own thread after all of the 3rd party xbox feeding frenzies?
Stop port begging for Helldivers, Phil
MilkyJoe
Member
Sony committed to mobile a while ago:
Sony Now Has Multiple Studios Working on Mobile Games
Sony reveals that there are already multiple developers working on mobile projects for PlayStation Studios’ push into the portable gaming space.
The same article talks about their Cloud plans too.
I'll remain in the watch this space camp
MisterXDTV
Member
SonyToo™
LOL
LOL
Xbox is a dying platform and Xbox gamers don't buy software. Sony and Nintendo don't need Xbox.
MisterXDTV
Member
End of discussion
MilkyJoe
Member
I&SS segment: Our issue is that our sales have not enabled us to sufficiently recoup on the investments and R&D that we have engaged in upfront. It is vital that we strike the right balance between our costs and our ability to capture growth opportunities by minimizing operational losses and managing our investments.
MisterXDTV
Member
I&SS segment: Our issue is that our sales have not enabled us to sufficiently recoup on the investments and R&D that we have engaged in upfront. It is vital that we strike the right balance between our costs and our ability to capture growth opportunities by minimizing operational losses and managing our investments.
Xbox platform is dead, just deal with it...
You are still at denial stage....
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
I&SS segment: Our issue is that our sales have not enabled us to sufficiently recoup on the investments and R&D that we have engaged in upfront. It is vital that we strike the right balance between our costs and our ability to capture growth opportunities by minimizing operational losses and managing our investments.
You're trying way too hard to say, "Sony too."
Sony is finding it hard to reduce the cost of the PlayStation 5 console which lowers their profit margin. That's the main issue. They're looking to put games on other platforms that are not Xbox and Switch.
Xbox Series console failed this generation. They offered steep discounts for months and it failed to push major units. Do you think Sony wants to invest millions to put games on a platform that's clinging to life? It's not worth the time or effort. The Cloud and Mobile has a brighter further than Xbox and that's where Sony's investment is going to go.
If you think they're both going through the exact same problems then you're delusional. lol
MilkyJoe
Member
I'm not trying anything, I'm just the messenger, that's straight from the Sony horse's mouth.
More from said horse
"And the other potential driver is the first-party title generation, because in the past, as you all know, we wanted to popularize console. The first-party title's main purpose was to make the hardware or the console popular, right? But there is a synergy to it. So if we have a strong first-party content, not only with our console, but also other platforms like computers (PLURAL). And first-party can be grown with multi-platform, and that can help operating profit to improve. So that's another area that we want to track with work on. I personally think there are opportunities out there for improvement of margin. So I would like to go a great from improving our margin performance."
You read into it however you want, but it's pretty self explanatory to someone that's not emotionally dependent on the outcome...
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
I'm not trying anything, I'm just the messenger, that's straight from the Sony horse's mouth.
More from said horse
"And the other potential driver is the first-party title generation, because in the past, as you all know, we wanted to popularize console. The first-party title's main purpose was to make the hardware or the console popular, right? But there is a synergy to it. So if we have a strong first-party content, not only with our console, but also other platforms like computers (PLURAL). And first-party can be grown with multi-platform, and that can help operating profit to improve. So that's another area that we want to track with work on. I personally think there are opportunities out there for improvement of margin. So I would like to go a great from improving our margin performance."
You read into it however you want, but it's pretty self explanatory to someone that's not emotionally dependent on the outcome...
Do you see the mobile, PC, and, Cloud?
This is nothing new. They have been saying this for years.
This is the multiplatform approach. Being in denial isn't going to help.
MilkyJoe
Member
Do you see the mobile, PC, and, Cloud?
This is nothing new. They have been saying this for years.
This is the multiplatform approach. Being in denial isn't going to help.
Let's see what happens...
multiplatform
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DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
You're late. They have been putting games on PC for years.
Sony putting games on PC and the Cloud is not the same thing as Xbox putting games on PS and Switch. They know they can't win in the console market and that's why they're filling submitting.
MilkyJoe
Member
MisterXDTV
Member
It's unreal that you have to explain something so simple
And Microsoft switched to DAY 1 PC releases YEARS ago on STEAM
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panda-zebra
Member
You're trying alright. Bumped a near week old thread with what you likely thought was solid gold gotcha (to a meme post of all things) and had it backfire. No big deal, just take the L.
There's a thread for all this science you're trying to drop and it's been discussed and clarified. The SonyToo™ you're trying a little too hard to invoke just isn't happening - there's different scenarios, no equivalence.
L
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Not a single one of those games are "big games," and he already mentioned those 4 outside the "big one he wasn't in liberty to say."
We'll find out this summer or fall.
Topher
Gold Member
Common sense. Which is why I thought the take that Pentiment was the "big one" was a joke.
drganon
Member
Here's a spoiler for you, you're an idiot.
Gudji
Member
He's having symptoms of third partinitis give him a break.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
I'm starting to subscribe to what
Heisenberg007
said. This was all a controlled leak, they're notorious for that.Tom Warren is literally a PR extension for MS/Xbox, and has always been used to leak things out that they want viral before official obfuscation and more ambiguity comes out.
They are controlling "a big one" leak for later this year.
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