parrotbeak
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Dom 1st rd ko. I'm doubling down and didn't eat any chocolate today yet.
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UFC 207 Rondo Rousey vs Amanda Nunes |OT| No Love & NO MORE QUESTIONS
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SwipeLeftHoney
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Rousey is getting knocked out. Similar to how Miesha Tate got cracked by Nunes. Nunes is built to stop anything Rousey can do. Both fighters have cardio issues and Rousey will be humbled the moment she tries to arm bar Nunes only to get subbed in a choke of some sort. Styles make fights and Nunes should easily beat Rousey
Kabuki Waq
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parrotbeak
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Styles make fights and Housey is gonna throw Nunes to the ground and arm bar her within the first 5 minutes.
SwipeLeftHoney
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Rousey has subpar striking and just a Judo base. Nunes has the striking edge and power as well as strong BJJ to combat Rousey's one trick pony arm bar.
Indeed. Rousey is more out of her league here than she was against Holmes.
SwipeLeftHoney
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This fight is Rousey's swan song into the acting world. The changing of the guard in women's MMA
So the other weigh-ins they do are just for funsies? Why do they even bother taking off their underwear sometimes?
Obliterator
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Time to remind people how bad Nunes is off of her back and how poor her takedown defense is
She still has big power though and is an extremely strong starter. She may go in there and blow the doors off of Rousey early. But the idea that she can't be totally dominated on the mat, where Rousey is incredibly strong, isn't true.
She still has big power though and is an extremely strong starter. She may go in there and blow the doors off of Rousey early. But the idea that she can't be totally dominated on the mat, where Rousey is incredibly strong, isn't true.
parrotbeak
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For funsies.
It's been like this since early 2016 or so?
Actually maybe mid 2016 and I don't recall anyone actually stripping for the fake one. It's usually really fast paced.
SwipeLeftHoney
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They take off their undies to make weight. Sometimes a fighter is a pound off the limit and will do anything to shed that initial pound to make weight for the weigh in.
She makes the actors in soft core porn on Cinemax at 2AM look like Oscar winners.
SwipeLeftHoney
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Time to remind people how bad Nunes is off of her back and how poor her takedown defense is
She still has big power though and is an extremely strong starter. She may go in there and blow the doors off of Rousey early. But the idea that she can't be totally dominated on the mat, where Rousey is incredibly strong, isn't true.
That Cat Zingano fight was early in her UFC career. She has grown greatly as a fighter since that fight. I believe that loss was the one that completely turned things around for Nunes. She's dominated ever since.
Obliterator
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Uh no. That last gif is from her fight again Katerina Shevchenko 2 fights ago and she barely won it. She also got dominated on the mat in that fight as well, and Shevchenko is a striker and not even a grappler.
Nunes isn't anywhere near as good as some of the people here are making out. She has huge gas tank issues as well.
She still may go out there and get a 1st RD KO and destroy Rousey. But she isn't some unstoppable machine at women's Bantamweight
Oh so it's a new thing. Why is this a thing now?
Yeah I meant doing it in a "fake weigh-in." I didn't know this practice was that recent, then again I didn't know this practice was a thing at all.
SwipeLeftHoney
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She won by unanimous decision... How is that barely winning against Shevchenko? That fight was also mostly a standup match where Nunes was having a hard time matching the standup game of Shevchenko in the later rounds after dominating the first 2 rounds Rousey has the same gas tank issues as Nunes, always has had those issues.
Your Entertainer
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Time to remind people how bad Nunes is off of her back and how poor her takedown defense is
She still has big power though and is an extremely strong starter. She may go in there and blow the doors off of Rousey early. But the idea that she can't be totally dominated on the mat, where Rousey is incredibly strong, isn't true.
This is Women's MMA - extremely large skill gaps are prevalent and make the fight intriguing. It'll be interesting to see who imposes their will here.
parrotbeak
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I believe the official answer has to do with giving fighters a little more time to rehydrate.
hendersonhank
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Miesha is an excellent grappler who tooled and submitted Marloes Coenen and submitted Holly Holm, and she had literally nothing for Ronda on the ground.
As for her "subpar striking", Holly is the only person ever to get the better of Ronda on the feet iirc.
And when has Ronda ever had cardio issues other than when she was getting blasted over and over by Holly?
Obliterator
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She barely won it in terms of trajectory of the fight. She had a great 2nd round. Gassed horribly in the 3rd like she always does, and got dominated the entire 3rd round. Shevchenko shot on her 1 time, and landed the only takedown she even attempted.
I don't mind people saying Nunes is going to go out and dominate Rousey, it could very well happen. But we probably shouldn't be turning her into this absolute unstoppable beast. She's solid but nothing crazy, and I won't be surprised if she loses the belt either way over the next 12 months or so.
SwipeLeftHoney
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Tate never had the strength to match Ronda in any aspect of fighting. Pretty much all the comp Rhonda fought outside of Holly Holm had average striking at best. Holm was the first legit striker Ronda fought with the strength to stop her takedowns. All of Ronda's fights outside of the Holm one and the Tate rematch were all 1st round wins and you could see how gassed she was in that Tate fight as well even though she got the win
SwipeLeftHoney
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Nunes is definitely very beatable. I honestly feel she really matches up well with Rousey. similar size. A good BJJ game and powerful striking. Ronda won't be able to walk through her like she has everyone else in that division that's for sure and if she is caught by a punch... look out. We all know Ronda cannot take a punch to save her life
parrotbeak
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"Interim belts being passed around like.......like cups of water at a marathon."
Ariel making similes like Mama Helwani is sitting next to him.
Ariel making similes like Mama Helwani is sitting next to him.
SwipeLeftHoney
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Can't wait for this card. A good way to end the year.
Obliterator
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Lol yeah Ariel's Golf commentary game at weigh-ins is strong
parrotbeak
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Take note Rizin Joes, this is how to do good subdued commentary.
Jest Chillin
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"just a judo base" lol. Rousey has world class judo, which at high levels is just as viable on the ground as BJJ.
It's so strange that getting knocked out once has made some people completely disregard the absolute dominance Rousey had over the division up to that point.
Yes her striking is bad and her striking coach is terrible but her Judo is on such a higher level than any other woman's grappling in the division that it makes up the difference 99 out of 100 times.
In the flipside we haven't really seen anything impresive from Nunes in BJJ usage. Tons of men and women carry high level belts from one lineage or another but most just aren't great with using it in an actual bout and we've yet to see something from Nunes that suggests she's one of the elite.
SwipeLeftHoney
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very true. I can't wait to see how this fight plays out.
parrotbeak
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Big Rigg trying to spray that last bit of enema water out.
Obliterator
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Yeah there is some absolute underselling of how dominate Rousey's ground / BJJ / Judo game is. We had someone in here earlier calling her a can. Yes her striking is poor, but the women won an Olympic medal in Judo. In fact she was the first woman from the US to ever medal in Judo at the Olympics. She is a world class athlete.
Her performing so horribly against Holly has really tainted some people's outlook on her.
Ninja Scooter
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It pains me of all people to say it but people are severely underestimating Ronda and overestimating Nunes. People acting like Amanda is this world beater based on her win over Tate, who despite being the champion was completely outclassed for 5 rounds by Holly Holm before Holly had a brain fart that gifted Miesha a win, and most recently was seeing being pummeled into retirement by middle of the road Raquel Pennington.
Haunted
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Strong Takedown defense and good stand-up while outboxing/going backwards is what Holm showed the recipe for beating Rousey to be.
I don't see Nunes bringing either to the table. Fairly weak takedown defense, bad on her back, propensity to stand and bang (which makes it easier to get into the clinch).
I think this is just a bad matchup for Nunes.
I don't see Nunes bringing either to the table. Fairly weak takedown defense, bad on her back, propensity to stand and bang (which makes it easier to get into the clinch).
I think this is just a bad matchup for Nunes.
Brerlappin
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Bet the house on Honda smoking Nunes and then retiring with the belt. She still doesn't want anything to do with a Holm rematch. All she wants is the belt back and then to go do her terrible movie career
Obliterator
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Yep Holm literally won that fight because of how good she was able to light up Rousey while moving backwards. There isn't a woman in that division imo that can mach Ronda in terms of pressure vs pressure. You have to be very adept at counter punching, moving away, and preventing the clinch game as much as possible. Holm really executed a perfect strategy in beating her.
Well, the only reason Rousey was able to dominate was because women's MMA was so new. The second she faced off against someone who wouldn't be forced to the ground or was both competent on the ground and off, she would get her ass beat. See the Holm fight. Holm is shit on the ground but simply wouldn't let the fight get there. If Nunes is smart she'll do exactly what Holly did which is let Ronda do all the work and gas out, while taking shots at her.
The second Ronda faces a person that won't get bullied into a clinch (and isn't 35), her UFC career is over, cause she's clearly a one trick pony. It's ok to be superior in striking or in your ground game, but you at least have to be decent in both.
Ninja Scooter
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This is kind of what people are missing. Holm didn't just beat Ronda because she has "good stand up". Lots of mma fighters, including Nunes, have good stand up and the ability to end fights with their striking. What Holm does have is phenonemal technique, things like head movement, footwork, that puts her on another level from most mma fighters male or female. The standard for "good mma stand up", like what Nunes has, is far lower. It's basicaly someone who can come forward, push the fight and win exchanges.
Ninja Scooter
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You say "if Nunes can do what Holly did" as if she can become a world class level boxer overnight. Nunes can't do what Holly does. That's not to say she can't win, but people need to rewatch the fight to see what Holm actually did to win that fight and tell me if you've ever seen Nunes do anything remotely close to that.
Time to remind people how bad Nunes is off of her back and how poor her takedown defense is
She still has big power though and is an extremely strong starter. She may go in there and blow the doors off of Rousey early. But the idea that she can't be totally dominated on the mat, where Rousey is incredibly strong, isn't true.
Breh, Nunes can pizzooka Rousey if she has done six months of sprawl training.
Jest Chillin
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Ronda has absolutely tooled women who are high level grapplers, on the ground. She's also tooled women who are great strikers.
I don't want to say Holm's win was a fluke but there were a lot of factors at play in that fight that created a perfect storm for her win. I am not at all convinced that a rematch would end up with the same results, especially seeing as Holm struggled to perform anywhere near that nights performance both before that fight and since that fight.
To say, "Ronda will lose the second she fights someone better in the standup AND better on the ground" is really just saying she'll lose when she fights someome that's just better everwhere. Which is pretty fucking obvious and holds true of literally every single fighter on the planet.
Haunted
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This is most certainly going to be Nunes' gameplan, but that's just it - a plan. Most every fighter has one for their next opponent, and they're worth nothing if they can't be executed properly. MMA is a battle of who can execute their strategy and I don't know that Nunes has the skill and technique necessary to prevent Rousey from going into the clinch or taking her down.
these guys know
Of course, that isn't to say that Nunes can't catch her with a good one early, and then all bets are off. That's what makes this sport so fun to watch. There's going to be a tremendous amount of pressure on Rousey and we don't really know how she's going to feel in the cage coming back after that loss etc etc
parrotbeak
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Anyone else lose the stream?
Galactic Barret
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I hope Ronda wins because I love a good comeback story.
That, and all the people beasting on her is kind of ridiculous. No one would be salivating at the idea of Rocky III being destroyed.
That, and all the people beasting on her is kind of ridiculous. No one would be salivating at the idea of Rocky III being destroyed.
Ninja Scooter
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I was. Clubber Lang was the shit, and Rocky is a coward for not giving him a rubber match.
Haunted
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Clubber Lang was an honest, hard working boxer.
I never said she was that person, just when Ronda does face someone competent enough in stand up and not going to be forced to the ground, she's going to get her ass beat. I have no idea if that's Nunes or not, but Rousey is not the unstoppable force she's made out to be.
What I'm saying is Ronda is a one trick pony. Force her way into a clinch, then hip throw into an armbar. If anyone learns to counter this to a good enough degree, she'll get picked apart. That's the problem with being a one note fighter; people can see exactly what you want to do and plan around it.
Women's MMA is young, so it's hardly surprising you have someone dominate with a superior ground game. Men's MMA was the same way with Gracie. The difference is Gracie had different ways of winning, but with Ronda it's the same thing every fight.
parrotbeak
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I remember when she was first coming up in Strikeforce undercards, everyone was saying she was amazing, and then she got popular and suddenly people hated her. Her coach sucks and she comes off as a tool but this isn't a sport for good guys.
I love that older ladies who never watched UFC before are all excited cuz Honda is fighting. It's a demographic that I've never seen captured before, even at the height of BJ and GSP's popularity. Younger women would go watch but not the grandmas I know now that are excited.
I love that older ladies who never watched UFC before are all excited cuz Honda is fighting. It's a demographic that I've never seen captured before, even at the height of BJ and GSP's popularity. Younger women would go watch but not the grandmas I know now that are excited.
Screw that, Rousey comes across as a grade A nasty person. And anyone who thinks Sandy Hook might be an inside job loses all respect from me.
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