MISTER INVEIGLER
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Yeah I think that is the case.
Xbox Series will have more next gen only titles in the next 4-6 years.
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God of War Sequel and Gran Turismo 7 are Cross Generation Titles
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Xbox Series will have more next gen only titles in the next 4-6 years.
Bartski
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I'm taking this mf for a jog.
FunkMiller
Gold Member
This is some turgid shit right here, gang.
The video games industry is run by a bunch of ultra greedy fucks, who clearly have no confidence in this generation of hardware, and no idea what exclusive actually means.
I think it’s probably best we just accept that video game console generations are dead.
And if you have been critical of Xbox’s greedy, self serving actions in the past, but let Sony off the hook on this, then have a word with yourself. Vice versa obviously also applies.
The video games industry is run by a bunch of ultra greedy fucks, who clearly have no confidence in this generation of hardware, and no idea what exclusive actually means.
I think it’s probably best we just accept that video game console generations are dead.
And if you have been critical of Xbox’s greedy, self serving actions in the past, but let Sony off the hook on this, then have a word with yourself. Vice versa obviously also applies.
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blackjon24
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I think the only games that are held back would be those coming out on switch as well. Ps4 can handle games like last of us part 2.
Still Sony shouldn’t have said they believe in generations and pull this shit
Still Sony shouldn’t have said they believe in generations and pull this shit
balls of snow
Member
Big yikes. Ratchet is the only true next gen game until late 2022. Ouch.
Interfectum
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Putonahappyface
Gold Member
I'm sure that's only because of the need for fast loading.
REDRZA MWS
Gold Member
I understood Horizon, possibly even God if War, and I’m really bummed about GoW. But GT7?? Wtf is Sony thinking. This should be the first REAL PS5 coming out party, full force.
SafeOrAlone
Banned
Poppycock, good sir.
The implication is that they will be using the full power of the PS5 to design next-generation games. When you have to develop with last gen in mind, you are limited greatly. That is why Ratchet and Clank can do awesome things like let you "hop" from universe to universe in the blink of an eye. That is the power of the SSD you speak of. They don't even have the option to use that type of power with God of War.
j0hnnix
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Mr Moose
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That was from last year, where the whole "we believe in generations" came from.
If people can't read, that's fine, get glasses or something.
He also said this in the same article:
"We have always felt that we had a responsibility to serve that [PS4] community for several years after the launch of PS5 and that it represented a huge business opportunity for us," Ryan says. "The numbers are quite straightforward. If you say in broad brush figures that we have a community of 100 million PS4 owners right now, and in the first couple of years... I don't know, somewhere between 15 and 25 million might migrate to PS5, that still leaves a huge number of people with PS4s."
Yes, this news sucks and yes, cross-gen holds games back. If anyone says otherwise they are talking out of their ass (or the game is simple and not demanding at all).
Dr Bass
Member
Returnal is one of the best games I've played in years.Returnal.
What is your point exactly?
Astral Dog
Member
Well,idk if this will make sense to you, i follow the games more than specs , a new generation is exciting but experience has teached me time and time again it SUCKS to be a launch day system owner. Its nice to be able to play the newest game without having to spend money on the worst iteration of a system , i do exceptions on Nintendo systems. But, normally if its a cross gen title the experience on last gen is still solid, no ray tracing, fancy triggers or 4k but playable and pretty. Cyberpunk was an aberration not the norm.
Also Covid, higher costs for developers and gamers,longer development cycles etc.mean more cross gen games.
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Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
How many first party PS5 only exclusives will have been released come June vs equivalent XSX|S?you guys owe me and Phil an apology.
last year i said crossing a generation takes a few years. Phil words got trolled non stop.
But no, you just believed the jimbo hype and made fun of the reality we spoke of.
It is disappointing to see these titles being cross-gen, but also no chance missed at mischaracterising the “believe in generation” quote and trolling too
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FunkMiller
Gold Member
If I’d have known we’d have so very few actual Ps5 exclusives, I wouldn’t have bothered buying the console yet.
Fuck Sony for not being more honest and up front.
Fuck Sony for not being more honest and up front.
Skifi28
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But what the hell does "We believe in generations" actually mean though? It means nothing on its own. It's a broad PR statement, you can interpret it any number of ways. Can you actually quote somebody saying officially that all future titles will be ps5 only?
Waving as a flag something that was never actually said just makes people look silly. Everybody with half a mind knew the first couple of years at least would be cross-gen titles, it's impossible to ignore 100+ million ps4s.
Dis real?
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
yep. i was wondering why there was no destruction in that trailer and why they were aiming for native 4k 60 fps with ray tracing. that shouldve been our first clue.
Skifi28
Member
Sounds like a PR statement people took out of context on their own. I think they should be angry at themselves.
LostDonkey
Member
Could tell with the pop in, trackside details and what not it wasn't a true PS5 game GT7 and here everyone was saying it didn't look like GT Sport with Ray tracing tacked on, that's basically what it is.
skit_data
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Even though this is a massive PR-blunder from Sony I’m still thinking it’s not that big of a deal for me personally and people in general. So far nothing I’ve seen from Sony makes me doubt their ability to create great PS5 versions of their games.
It is a big deal because they’ve been very deceptive and disingenous when it comes to these titles being crossgen or not. That’s shitty.
But the games themselves, well, I’m actually not very worried about their quality to be honest.
That said, they need a better market strategist and they should avoid shit like this because it pisses me off a bit because of their incompetence when it comes to PR. It’s not a good look.
It is a big deal because they’ve been very deceptive and disingenous when it comes to these titles being crossgen or not. That’s shitty.
But the games themselves, well, I’m actually not very worried about their quality to be honest.
That said, they need a better market strategist and they should avoid shit like this because it pisses me off a bit because of their incompetence when it comes to PR. It’s not a good look.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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Here's the thing some of you keep missing though; not every game NEEDS that type of SSD throughput to realize its game design feature targets. We've had fast games before sans SSDs, as just one example, but there are various things to a game's logic and pipeline not reliant on fast rate of asset streaming that therefore won't be limited by lack of hard-targeting a specific SSD configuration.
Horizon: Forbidden West doesn't seem like the type of game that really NEEDS the SSD to realize its own creative ambitions; if it were conceptualized that way, I'm pretty sure it'd be PS5-only, like Rachet & Clank: Rift Apart seemingly is.
Is there anything in terms of game design WRT a fast, continuous asset stream GT7 is doing that would absolutely require PS5's SSD in order to function?
Just chill; "that" GT game will come in the future with GT8/GT Sport 2.
I think some people want to justify spending $400/$500 (well, let's be honest; a lot more than that due to scalping) on their PS5 and that's understandable, but they gotta stop getting caught up in their feelings so easily and just slow down, think of it rationally.
Sony and several other companies, I'm sure they may've actually been worried back in 2020 when the lockdowns started going into effect, that a recession would be triggered, meaning less money to go around, potentially meaning less console sales. I'm not personally sure why they'd think that; we had an actual recession following the Wall Street BS in the late 2000s' and I think all three systems back then saw growth during that period, but hey things could've changed.
Anyway, it makes business sense to support cross-gen for at least a little while plus if your dev pipelines are well organized you'll be able to leverage the new hardware regardless, at least in some notable ways. I don't think games like Forbidden West or GT7 have game design features which REQUIRE the PS5's SSD, same goes for GoW Ragnarok. And just because they don't require it, doesn't mean they won't be impressive both in terms of visual fidelity or game design, I mean we just saw how well a technically cross-gen game could look and seemingly play on new generation of consoles last Thursday!
Cross-gen support isn't holding back current-gen at this early a point in the new generation: time and budgets are, and budgets are being curtailed by install base size. Most of the best-looking games last gen came 3+ years after 8th-gen already released, once install bases were big enough, budgets were getting bigger (and therefore teams also getting bigger), and enough time had passed to allow those games to get deep into development. We won't start seeing the more fully ambitious 9th-gen games until starting 2023 IMO, by which point cross-gen will more or less be done with especially by platform holders like Sony & Microsoft.
Even so, getting back to Sony here we're still getting some great stuff like Forbidden West that looks comparable to Rift Apart in terms of fidelity and a lot of aspects relating to scale, image quality etc. That's actually pretty good, even if Rift Apart will be doing some thing something like Forbidden West won't (but at the same time, maybe that's because Rift Apart felt it needed to do them and Forbidden West doesn't really need to do them).
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Bryank is actually one of the few sony fans who have been highly critical of sony throughout the past year or so.
i only wish MS fans were that harsh.
Tommi84
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Magnific0giganticus
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I'll take 'PS4 bullshit' anyday over 90% of what the rest of the industry is currently developing.
I'd like anyone to show me the first full new gen game that can't run on a PS4 one way or another. Where is it? Does it even exist?
lughnasadh123
Member
I understand not wanting to leave all that potential untapped cash from ps4 owners, but if not now, when? What metric are they using as the exclusive jump off point?
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
No need to spin, if you actually quote the entire statement
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PS5 Die Shot has been revealed
I blame this bearded stoner Exactly. He literally says there that "RDNA2 includes hardware support for DIRECT X ray tracing" So... PS5 by definition can't be this so called "full RDNA2" because PlayStation would never ever use fucking DirectX. Wow the PS5 is not a PC. Shocker. Its dishonest...
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Krappadizzle
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Called it. The whole, Horizon looks like a half-step comment I made got shit on by the fan boys and this all but confirms what I said.
Some of you need to take your head out of the clouds and just call a spade a spade. Just because it's new doesn't mean it can't be criticized for what it is and makes everyone a hater or a troll.
Saying Horizon doesn't look mind-blowing and looks like a half-step is not the same as saying it looks bad.
Waiting to pick up a PS5 is getting easier and easier.
Some of you need to take your head out of the clouds and just call a spade a spade. Just because it's new doesn't mean it can't be criticized for what it is and makes everyone a hater or a troll.
Saying Horizon doesn't look mind-blowing and looks like a half-step is not the same as saying it looks bad.
Waiting to pick up a PS5 is getting easier and easier.
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phat_crazy
Member
Still missing the big picture. If a game is PS5 only, the game design possibilities are that much greater than on the very weak PS4. A PS5 only GOW taking advantage of the PS5 will always be leaps and bounds better than a GOW that has to keep the PS4 in mind even if they are doing PS5 first and porting down.
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hemo memo
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Yeah I mean after all that we believe in generations talk and the speed of SSD and Cerny talk about how PS5 is going to change game design…
Boss Mog
Member
As long as it doesn't create a Halo infinite reveal situation where the Series X graphics were clearly gimped to accommodate the OG XB1 (looking forward to the re-reveal at E3) then I can live with it. From what I saw of Horizon, it looks next gen enough. The problem will lie more with the fact that it will limit the design of the games to accommodate the PS4's mechanical hard-drive.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Sure, I would want more PS5 exclusives and I am unhappy at three more big titles being cross-generation. It holds them back.
We still have next generation exclusives, so there is a mix and the titles on PS5 that are cross generation are not looking like crap at least and they do support the DualSense which does add to the experience a lot.
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Saucy Papi
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I bet a lot of it had to do with the ongoing shortage of PS5s which doesn't seem like will be resolved any time soon. They probably even had to rethink the scope of the game.
LeftThumbstick
Member
That’s not the point here pal.
They deceived people into thinking that these new games would be PS5 only, and only possible on said PS5. If you’re all good with that kind of deceitful messaging to have you as a willing customer then so be it.
FUBARx89
Member
Demons souls remake technically too.
Mr.ODST
Member
Sony Defence Force out in full.
On a serious note, these decisions would of been made at beginning of the development so it must of been known for some time.
Lol got to love the gaming media. They spent the whole summer of 2020 writing articles ripping Phil for cross generation. Rubbing the we believe in genatations in Microsoft's face. Now we'll it is covid-19 fault and cross generation is cool now Sony quit hiding cross generation versions of games. Pretty hilarious to be honest.
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