The only reason they had to pull a gun on joel because he refused to leave and Marlene knew about Joel and his past dsughter and feared he may get attached thus resulting in the whole games plot and ellies story being meaningless. Everyone always says "Joel should get to decide Ellies fate", why? If anything knowing what we know Marlene should have final say, and not because she is a firefly but because she knew Ellies mom and were friends and when Ellies mom died she promised she would watch over Ellie etc. Marlene was more a parent figure to Ellie because not only did she know Ellie longer but she knew the woman who birthed her. Marlene was going to take Elliee herself but got injured in the beginning of the game so needed a plan B. If you remove joel it would have just been Marlene and Ellie.
Well based on the game there are people who gone either cannibals or religious cult crazy or down right crazy, there is no bringing back those guys to normal society. The bigger problem is even they do somehow make the Vaccine I highly doubt Fireflies can make those in high quantity, so the Vaccine become another good excuse people to kill each and based on the game it doesn't take much for them to just massacre each other.
The reason for that behaviour is because of the pandemic in the first place with people trying to survive. Now a vaccine slowly comes and people realize that there is an end to the means where they dont have to struggle as hard because relief is coming. It doesnt matter the quantity what matters is the vaccine alone restores peoples hope and willingness for a normal society.
Where does she state no matter what? If you're talking about the screenshot then yeah, it makes sense to finish the journey to the hospital when they're so close, doesn't mean she was ready to die there immediately. The fact that she makes future plans with Joel shortly after shows that she wasn't thinking of dying there. Unless she's the type to casually lie about such things to people she loves which doesn't seem in character from what TLUO1 shows of Ellie.
Thats a person losing his humanity while a king gained his, and guess which one died?Gon, you are too naive....
She makes future plans with joel because he coaxes her into thinking they are going to run blood tests and thatd be it when in winter he already finds out it grows all over the brain and her is mutated. He already knows the realisation before Marlene tells him, he was ignorant to the truth and didnt want to believe it. Ellie stating in part 2 solidifies that she felt her mutation was a gift and it gave her purpose. Her purpose was to be the vaccine and be hope. Especially in the end of the last of us part 1 when she made Joel swear that what he told her was true. She stopped believing Joel there and ever so slowly distanced herself from him in part 2
.....yes.... if they are not cultists then they are survivors, if they arent survivors then they are hunters, if there not hunters they may be fireflies, if they are not fireflies they may be that new faction at the end of part 2 we didnt find out much about. The reason society fell was for two reasons, a pandemic and because of said pandemic they couldnt keep mass law and order. Thats why they have quaratine zones with military in part 1 in the beginning of the game with normal people trying to live their lives under some sorr of rule and law because they wouldnt make it out on their own. The pandemic flipped the switch and caused people to form groups, cults what have you to survive but also give people reason to keep on living and something and or someone to look forward to.
He still got Manny so Yara couldn't be careless with her approach. You don't seem to take into consideration that as closer she gets, the bigger the risk of detection. We don't know when or if she could see Tommy to know when exactly she had to move to make it there in time.
Manny was right next to Abby.
The reasom again they dont let joel see ellie is because marlene predicted the outcome, even if ellie said then and there ill do it Joel would be selfish and not let her regardless and probably even take her against her will to try to save her. Which is why ellie states in part 2 she was supposed to die there and wanted her life to matter. Joel lost a daughter and even though ellie wasnt his he knew he couldnt go through that again, by any means necessary he prob would have killed everyone regardless except this time he wouldnt be able to lie to ellie about it for years upon years. In part 2 we can also see Marlene was very hesistant with the choice and fought Abbys father on it as well. He made her buy in to the idea in thr first place because the vaccine would save millions and that was the goal for the fireflies which was to get a vaccine. Marlene pressures the doctor but realised he is right, and whilst she knows its a shitty situation, its the smart move to go ahead with the procedure.
It is weird that the Fireflies plan to kill their only live specimen so quickly without taking the time to do any other examinations first.
They did run tests..... how do you think Marlene knew that her infection mutated and could make the vaccine, msrlene told joel this in p1 and that's when them conclusion hit joel and he stated it grows all over the brain meaning theyd have to kill her to get to the mutated infection, this is then explored more with abbys father in p2 when you see him talking to Marlene and he claims this is what they and the world has been waiting for, this is their shot and he convinces her aswell to buy in and initially she's not as cold hearted as the first game makes her, she pushes the doctor to find another way and even asks "what if this was your daughter" etc you also forget when the fireflies find joel giving chest compressions to Ellie to which its day time, when joel wakes up and the doctor talks to Marlene its already night, meaning hours have passed, also Owen notified abbys dad after the zebra incident that they already started running tests
We don't know when Yara makes her approach to the building or how far the fight has progressed when she enters it.
I doubt they ran all the tests possible in the little time the operation was planned(hours?). The Fireflies already make a bad impression by knocking Joel out when he's giving CPR to Ellie.
Tommy wasn't close and she could hear that. You need a different excuse because this isn't working.
So funny watching you make all kinds of mental gymnastics for MONTHS when Neil himself said Abby was a retcon. That character had nothing to do with the fireflies or TLOU1 at all when they wrote TLOU2. She knew Tommy and Joel from before the events of TLOU1.
Making a character have a back story is not a retcon. The only "retcon" was making the character white. That's it.
Strongly disagree. Being gay here has no significant to the story. She contributed to society by protecting those who wanted to reproduce as long as she's still capable. What's the point of having so much babies if everyone are busy making them without anyone to do all the scouting and resource gathering.
She does understand his POV, but she’s pissed that the choice wasn’t his to make, and maybe it was the wrong choice altogether. She knows he’s lying as soon as he tells her at the end of the first game, but she’s young and scared.
Letting abby off with 0 consequences? I stopped reading there. You are delusional.
Yeah it was a shitty move from joel but ellie is more mad about not being the savior of humanity than for some doctor getting killed i think.
Seems like someone cared about him, which was abby. Throwing white knight insults doesn't make any sense in this context dumb ass. No one is arguing if the cure was guaranteed or not. We talking about the fireflies motivations to cut ellie open.
Joel didn't raise her to be a lesbian, she was already a lesbian before tlou1, have you played the dlc?!
Tommy doesn't need to be close to kill her. That's why Yara would had to be very careful when getting closer.
Uh. No. Absolutely. With all respect. The story is stupid as hell. A think too many are blinded about the moralistic message behind it, but if we take just the subject and the single event, side by side, is incredibly absurd and full of contradictions. The first game has a more cohesive vision in the narrative structure, even the temporal line in the second is confusing as hell.
I train every day and weight lift also did you miss the part where she gloated she benched 180, clearly theres a process and theres a time skip to when shes adult but there are bread crumbs along the way for her physique
The first one has the same missed story beats as the second one. Both games have great stories just pacing falls short sometimes
I think that gets to the heart of the problem. For me at least Joel didn't need forgiving, so that felt forced.
He doesn't. She also doesn't need to be too stealthy when gun shots are far away. The problem is not the way it was written, it's your inability to understand how people can hear sound far away.
