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Jeff Grubb: "Starfield is exclusive to Xbox and PC. Period."

Isn't the whole point of this thread that Starfield will be exclusive to one platform? I mean, I get what you are saying that PS gamers should be thankful that they have access to Xbox games but the whole point of this thread is to brag about a game that was originally being developed for multi-platform is now going to be exclusive. Why should that be a win for anyone?

Because unlike Sony who is simply paying money to keep games off competitor platforms for months at a time, like Deathloop which is a 12 month deal, Microsoft purchased the entire publishing company and all the studios under it, meaning they are now responsible for financing and maintaining the IP from beginning to end of the dev cycle. Completely different.
 

luffie

Member
So if Starfield is a disappointment, PlayStation fans will laugh at Jeff Grubb for confirming it is exclusive to Xbox/PC? That doesn't make any sense. PlayStation fans aren't that stupid.
No, most aren't that stupid you're right.
It's the insinuation people make of the tweet that "this good game that everyone is waiting for is going to be xbox exclusive, period" as if it's a great exclusive. "It's like saying FO76 is going to be xbox exclusive, period" before you know FO76 sucks and everyone is still hyping for the next FO after FO4.

If people are not taking that insinuation then it's fine.

But if it is, then the tweeter is humiliating himself when it flops.
 

quest

Not Banned from OT
No, most aren't that stupid you're right.
It's the insinuation people make of the tweet that "this good game that everyone is waiting for is going to be xbox exclusive, period" as if it's a great exclusive. "It's like saying FO76 is going to be xbox exclusive, period" before you know FO76 sucks and everyone is still hyping for the next FO after FO4.

If people are not taking that insinuation then it's fine.

But if it is, then the tweeter is humiliating himself when it flops.
It was good enough for Sony to back up the trucks of money to try and make it a timed exclusive. Microsoft just out did them.
 

reksveks

Member
No, most aren't that stupid you're right.
It's the insinuation people make of the tweet that "this good game that everyone is waiting for is going to be xbox exclusive, period" as if it's a great exclusive. "It's like saying FO76 is going to be xbox exclusive, period" before you know FO76 sucks and everyone is still hyping for the next FO after FO4.

If people are not taking that insinuation then it's fine.

But if it is, then the tweeter is humiliating himself when it flops.
Those people are making alot of insinuations there. He is just stating that the game is exclusive.

Not sure he can control for the stupidity of the people on the Internet.
 

reinking

Gold Member
Because unlike Sony who is simply paying money to keep games off competitor platforms for months at a time, like Deathloop which is a 12 month deal, Microsoft purchased the entire publishing company and all the studios under it, meaning they are now responsible for financing and maintaining the IP from beginning to end of the dev cycle. Completely different.
We can disagree but IMO one of these is worse than the other for the industry and I have a feeling it is not the one you would choose. Sony's moneyhatting only goes so far and is typically time-gated. The other removes the traditional third-party titles from other platforms permanently. But hey, let's celebrate that some of those other folks will not get to enjoy those games. Suck it Team Blue. I mean, that is what gaming is all about, right?
 

luffie

Member
It was good enough for Sony to back up the trucks of money to try and make it a timed exclusive. Microsoft just out did them.
I dunno about that, but hopefully it's good.

Sony has a history of making good payments/purchases, and MS doesn't.

If I'm MS, I'll just pay FROM to make a "Bloodborne/Souls" copy exclusive, pay Atlus for Persona 6 exclusive, Square Enix for a timed FF exclusive, and Silksong for another timed exclusive. Some may hate me but hey, I guarantee people will start buying xboxes.
 

anthony2690

Gold Member
Why are people still going on about whether this will be exclusive or not?

Phil Spencer has already said games will be EXCLUSIVE to platforms game pass is on, UNLESS there is already a contract already in place.

(deathloop/psychonauts 2/tokyo ghost wire)

& obviously they will continue to support games like fallout 76, eso on other platforms etc.

Just wait for news to come out before having meltdowns (it's sad/embarrassing, especially all you console warriors that are grown ass men)

We will probably find out next month anyway.
 

demigod

Member
Because unlike Sony who is simply paying money to keep games off competitor platforms for months at a time, like Deathloop which is a 12 month deal, Microsoft purchased the entire publishing company and all the studios under it, meaning they are now responsible for financing and maintaining the IP from beginning to end of the dev cycle. Completely different.
Oh Lord Baby Jesus, please save this poor soul that thinks only Sony does this and not MS.

Blair Witch says Hi. Chances are The Medium will come to PlayStation as well.
 

quest

Not Banned from OT
Do we know this to be the case? It very well could be, I just mean, do we know for a fact that it wasn’t Sony that decided to pull out before MS came into the picture?
I think enough people reported it and Sony already took Tokyo wire and Deathloop. They will money hat any good game right now.


Oh Lord Baby Jesus, please save this poor soul that thinks only Sony does this and not MS.

Blair Witch says Hi. Chances are The Medium will come to PlayStation as well.
Microsoft stopped money hats on AAA games long ago. They for years they had no money from corperate. When they did they wisely put it into studios instead of short term fixes like money hats. The exclusives they have are indy games that cost very little and they get gamepass deals with.
 
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sainraja

Member
No, I'm just calling you and the rest of the morons out, and yeah I'm not getting offended, I'm just calling you out. For being a pathetic scum of the gaming community that makes it toxic to be a part of. That is what you and the rest of morns are. Scums, downplaying everything Microsoft and Nintendo do. You are probably in your 30s acting like a child. You don't like it, ohh the fuck well, as long as I have a voice on this website and not banned for calling people out. Then I will continue to call you people out, it does not matter if you are Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo, and PC. If I see something stupid I will call you people out. See there's a difference between you and me, I'm not afraid to speak my mind when it comes to morns acting like pitiful children.
And you think he is the moron? 😂 Just look at how you are acting here. You look pretty offended based on just this post alone. Calm down. I think you take this console warrior thing a little too seriously.
 
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I think enough people reported it and Sony already took Tokyo wire and Deathloop. They will money hat any good game right now.



Microsoft stopped money hats on AAA games long ago. They for years they had no money from corperate. When they did they wisely put it into studios instead of short term fixes like money hats. The exclusives they have are indy games that cost very little and they get gamepass deals with.

Pretty sure Crossfire X and Stalker 2 are AAA games

Warhammer: Darktide isn't no small game either
 

quest

Not Banned from OT
Pretty sure Crossfire X and Stalker 2 are AAA games

Warhammer: Darktide isn't no small game either
Stalker 2 iand war hammer are indy games neither are big studios under 100 last I heard.. We have no idea on the scope of cross fire x single player yet. We are not talking project Athena or zenimax level money level yet lol.
 
Stalker 2 iand war hammer are indy games neither are big studios under 100 last I heard.. We have no idea on the scope of cross fire x single player yet. We are not talking project Athena or zenimax level money level yet lol.

Both of them are in the 100 ball park. Should be around the same scope as Deathloop and Ghostwire

All we can do is look at things from a first glance, and Crossfire X in terms of production values certainly doesn't look like a AA game
 

lh032

I cry about Xbox and hate PlayStation.
Sooo...will PlayStation diehards explode if the game is exclusive AND get amazing reviews AND GOTY?
its under Microsoft, its not gonna happen. Most likely overhype, received awful scores and still sells.
 
We can disagree but IMO one of these is worse than the other for the industry and I have a feeling it is not the one you would choose. Sony's moneyhatting only goes so far and is typically time-gated. The other removes the traditional third-party titles from other platforms permanently. But hey, let's celebrate that some of those other folks will not get to enjoy those games. Suck it Team Blue. I mean, that is what gaming is all about, right?


If Arkane or Tango ended up shutting down because their games weren't selling super well, that wouldn't be bad for the industry? Sony's abuse of timed exclusive deals (yes Microsoft does some too but not nearly as much, and the ones they do are equally as dumb too) is just a net negative to the industry because it's sole purpose is to hurt gamers on other platforms, it doesn't benefit their own platform at all. Maybe this benefit doesn't end up being massive, but Bethesda being able to have less financial pressure, more creative independence (every game doesn't need to be a bestseller), and collaboration with some good studios (XGS), as well as XGS getting to collaborate with the Bethesda studios (and being able to use their tech). All of those things should benefit the games that Bethesda and XGS create going forward. Just because Playstation gamers can "only" play on Xbox/PC/xCloud (basically any device for a variety of affordable options) doesn't mean it's bad for the industry, for the most part the only people unable to play these games will be the ones so obsessed with the console wars that playing games on anything without "Playstation" on it would be a sacrilege to their entire existence, and I don't think anybody should care about those people's gaming opinions personally (and I think the same about people who are obsessed with Nintendo or Xbox in the same way)
 

Bryank75

Banned
Do people think this will go unanswered is my question?

How many major releases have Sony made exclusive in the face of this? I'm very excited to see what has to be revealed....
 

Flutta

Banned
Because unlike Sony who is simply paying money to keep games off competitor platforms for months at a time, like Deathloop which is a 12 month deal, Microsoft purchased the entire publishing company and all the studios under it, meaning they are now responsible for financing and maintaining the IP from beginning to end of the dev cycle. Completely different.
Lmao the ironi!!
You mean MS paid money to keep what usually was a multiplatform pub for god knows how long from never releasing future games on PlayStation and you are trying to argue that somehow its not as bad as timed exclusives? Who are you trying to fool with a post like this 🤣
 
Do people think this will go unanswered is my question?

How many major releases have Sony made exclusive in the face of this? I'm very excited to see what has to be revealed....

You're "excited" about Sony moneyhatting 3rd party games just for the sake of Xbox players not being able to play those games? If that's true that seems kind of petty, and if not and you're excited just to see the chain reaction from both sides that the Bethesda acquisition results in, then I apologize for the accusation


And before somebody tries to comment on this being some double standard or something, I'm not happy that people can't play Starfield or most Bethesda games going forward on their Playstation, but there are many things to be excited about in their benefit to Xbox (which I've reiterated multiple times in several posts on multiple threads), and with all the places you'll be able to play them, it's at least a consolation prize to reasonable Playstation fans that it's not locked just to the Series X
 

Arun1910

Member
This makes me glad I have a PC and a PS5. Exclusives suck.

Looking forward to seeing if this "Just works" on release like Fallout 4.
 

Hendrick's

If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
This thread is a hoot.

So much
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Bryank75

Banned
You're "excited" about Sony moneyhatting 3rd party games just for the sake of Xbox players not being able to play those games? If that's true that seems kind of petty, and if not and you're excited just to see the chain reaction from both sides that the Bethesda acquisition results in, then I apologize for the accusation


And before somebody tries to comment on this being some double standard or something, I'm not happy that people can't play Starfield or most Bethesda games going forward on their Playstation, but there are many things to be excited about in their benefit to Xbox (which I've reiterated multiple times in several posts on multiple threads), and with all the places you'll be able to play them, it's at least a consolation prize to reasonable Playstation fans that it's not locked just to the Series X

Nobody likes to see good and decent people lose out and if some people on Xbox genuinely can't play a game they were looking forward to, I empathize.

However there is a large group of corporate cheerleaders and xbox fanatics that are creating FUD, spreading rumours about Microsoft buying every other company and using every bit of news as a stick to hit PlayStation fans with. They review bomb every game, they come into the threads of PS exclusives and try and downplay or attack the game on multiple levels. You've undoubtedly heard all the lines....
For those people... karma is a bitch.
 
Nobody likes to see good and decent people lose out and if some people on Xbox genuinely can't play a game they were looking forward to, I empathize.

However there is a large group of corporate cheerleaders and xbox fanatics that are creating FUD, spreading rumours about Microsoft buying every other company and using every bit of news as a stick to hit PlayStation fans with. They review bomb every game, they come into the threads of PS exclusives and try and downplay or attack the game on multiple levels. You've undoubtedly heard all the lines....
For those people... karma is a bitch.


I get that, I'll definitely admit there was at least some amount of joy from me about those "XbOx HaS nO gAmEs" people not being able to play any Bethesda games, but yeah for people who legitimately can't afford to play on both Xbox and Playstation, exclusives suck (and really exclusives in general are anti-consumer, but they seem to be a necessary evil which drives innovation). Fortunately I have a Series X and Switch, and will likely be getting PS5 in a year or so (provided supply catches up lol) so I won't miss out, but I 100% empathize with those people who will

Also I agree there are a lot of xbox fanboys, I generally hate xbox fanboys even more than the others, not because they're any worse or anything (I think all sides fanboys are equally dumb and not worth talking to), but because they make me and other reasonable xbox leaning people look bad. I view them the same way as I view fairweather/bandwagon fans in sports, I'd much rather have a conversation with a strongly biased Playstation fan who's consistent with their logic, then an Xbox fanboy who blindly agrees with everything Xbox does, and I'd like to imagine most reasonable Playstation fans feel the same about the reverse
 

48086

Member
There's a house with three roommates living in it.

Bob buys the house for his five person family.

The three roommates no longer have access to the house, and Bob moves in with his family.

"But why don't the roommates still get like at least one room of the house?" - gamers
 
Oh Lord Baby Jesus, please save this poor soul that thinks only Sony does this and not MS.

Blair Witch says Hi. Chances are The Medium will come to PlayStation as well.
Of course this is a common industry practice, I never stated otherwise. However, for the past 2+ years it's been most Sony that has geared aggressively towards paying for exclusive content and timed exclusivity of 3rd party games. Microsoft has been busy marketing GamePass in the same time period and buying game studios from around the world.
 

NickFire

Member
I'll believe it after 10 months have passed after release and I see it.
My personal timeline for every big exclusive game made by third parties (on either console) or by Bethesda will be 13 months. Bethesda may be altogether removed from my list of questionable exclusive status claims much sooner than 13 months from now, but it will take a clear and unequivocal statement by MS before that happens, with no room for interpretation. I think by the end of E3 we will have a pretty good idea.
 
Oh Lord Baby Jesus, please save this poor soul that thinks only Sony does this and not MS.

Blair Witch says Hi. Chances are The Medium will come to PlayStation as well.


1. Sony 100% does it more
2. I hate when Microsoft does it too because it's money spent that doesn't help anybody or make games any better
 

Aroll

Member
I'm aware of what a game director does

I'm saying people are putting too much stock in what these titles mean. Miyamoto being an executive producer for something like Breath of The Wild isn't the same as Todd being an executive producer for Oblivion. The ladder was the one responsible for the games direction regardless of whether he called himself the director or whatever.

You see this in the game credits. Todd is at the top for his games. Miyamoto is at the bottom
So I have a question for you, and I'm not being sarcastic.

How do you know Todd did any of what you're claiming he did? I'm legit curious. Using an example of the difference in how entirely different companies list their credits seems to be a pretty weak comparison. Todd could have done next to nothing and it's possible they do the credits the same way.

I'll give some other examples: Link's Awakening. Miyamoto had absolutely nothing to do with it, but his name was listed in the credits the same way it was for Ocarina of Time (where Miyamoto did do more) and Skyward Sword (the last entry Miyamoto personally did anything with). What I am pointing out, is how his name is listed isn't inherently indictive of his overall role with the game, However, notably when Miyamoto is more involved, his named is listed next to multiple roles in the game. When it's just EP, it means he didn't really do much but say yes or no.

I can speak on this front because of how well versed I am in the Zelda development cycle. I am not as well versed in bethesda. So that's why this is an honest question: Do you have any actual proof Todd did anything in Oblivion? Tangible, none advertisement, proof? Like interviews talking about what he specifically did, not what the team did. Etc.
 

Warnen

Don't pass gaas, it is your Destiny!
So starfield is multiplat too.

Console exclusives battle. PS and Nintendo owners have the option of playing x games on other devices day 1.

MS will take your money on PC to, all goes into the same pocket ;)
 

Pull n Pray

Banned
My personal timeline for every big exclusive game made by third parties (on either console) or by Bethesda will be 13 months. Bethesda may be altogether removed from my list of questionable exclusive status claims much sooner than 13 months from now, but it will take a clear and unequivocal statement by MS before that happens, with no room for interpretation. I think by the end of E3 we will have a pretty good idea.
For the new generation, Microsoft made big changes to their game development kits. The new GDK, called Game Core, is a unified environment for creating games on PC, Xbox Series X/S, Xbox One, and xCloud. The goal is to make it easier and more efficient to create games for all Game Pass platforms. They want to pump out content for Game Pass, and developing for PS5 would be a distraction. Except for rare exceptions, the only way Bethesda games will be on PS5 is through xCloud. It would make more sense for Microsoft to bring the free to play Halo Infinite multiplayer to PS5 than to bring Starfield or Elder Scrolls to PS5.

So why is Microsoft always a little vague when speaking on this subject? They probably see no benefit to boxing themselves in. It's better to leave a little wiggle room. Plus, all the conversations on social media about Bethesda exclusivity are free advertisement for them.
 

Pull n Pray

Banned
I must say I don't get where this strange "I'm a playstation fan and I can buy these xbox games day one while mine are only available on my console day 1" comments come from.
It's really strange to me when people frame Xbox games being on multiple devices as a negative. To me, it's a great benefit. Being able to play the same game in my office on PC, in my living room on Xbox, and on the go via xCloud, and have all the progress carry over, is awesome. I own a PS4 and plan to get a PS5 too. I wish PlayStation had similar flexibility.
 

GhostOfTsu

Banned
Because unlike Sony who is simply paying money to keep games off competitor platforms for months at a time, like Deathloop which is a 12 month deal, Microsoft purchased the entire publishing company and all the studios under it, meaning they are now responsible for financing and maintaining the IP from beginning to end of the dev cycle. Completely different.
And in what universe is that better? How are they financing it from beginning to end when when we know that Starfield had absolutely nothing to do with MS for over 4 years and Sony was already involved for a PS version? Same for Doom, Elder Scrolls, Fallout. They had nothing to do with any of these multiplatform IPs.

All these mental gymnastics to make it sound better. I really wonder how all your brains work lol
 

Kimahri

Banned
We can disagree but IMO one of these is worse than the other for the industry and I have a feeling it is not the one you would choose. Sony's moneyhatting only goes so far and is typically time-gated. The other removes the traditional third-party titles from other platforms permanently. But hey, let's celebrate that some of those other folks will not get to enjoy those games. Suck it Team Blue. I mean, that is what gaming is all about, right?
Timed is worse. Timed is always worse. When a game is permanently exclusive, that's how it is. This is the platform I'll be playing it on. End of discussion. When it's timed to some platform, I might have to wait a year to play it on my preferred platform, and that kinda pisses me off a little. I own all consoles, so I'm not locked out, but I have preferred controllers and such, and I like to be the one making the choice of where to play, not having it forced down my throat by some bigwigs who just signed a check to rob me of that choice.
 
Timed is worse. Timed is always worse. When a game is permanently exclusive, that's how it is. This is the platform I'll be playing it on. End of discussion. When it's timed to some platform, I might have to wait a year to play it on my preferred platform, and that kinda pisses me off a little. I own all consoles, so I'm not locked out, but I have preferred controllers and such, and I like to be the one making the choice of where to play, not having it forced down my throat by some bigwigs who just signed a check to rob me of that choice.

That's an interesting way to twist it
 
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