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twilo99
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If this is the case then we need new hardware every 3 years just to keep up..
It would be more consumer friendly to make that first hardware iteration more future proof so you don't have to buy new hardware so soon
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Couple of problems with that is the cost and even if you put out say a $1000 console to start a gen about 3-4 years in people like myself would be clamoring for a Pro model
Yes I am a part of the problem
Caio
Member
With a target price of around $500, it was already half a miracle to deliver you a PS5 and a XSX at launch. Furthermore, with 120 plus millions of PS4 on the market, and other millions of XBox One, you can't stop developing for these consoles, and generally you have cross-gen games for 3-4 years after the new hardwares release. Add to this longer development time for the AAA games, often Devs need 4-5 years to finish their most demanding games, and those which are exclusive to the new hardware are basicly coming out 3-7 years after Launch. You can't have short console life-cycle anymore, so, basicly, the Mid Gen refresh strategy become kind of the new standard, unavoidable, as more and more gamers want always better performance, even the console gamers, not only PC gamers
Investor9872
Member
And after having lived with the OG PS4 Pro for years now, and still am, I love my 1100 PS5. The hefty size of it makes for great heat management, and I can't imagine any other system running more silent than the one I got.
bitbydeath
Member
No interest in more frames but if it really does 8K then I’ll get one.
REDRZA MWS
Member
Just wish they offer it in the black color. Only 2 consoles i like white were NES and Xbox 360.
ManaByte
Gold Member
You realize that’s not a real image…right?
Silver Wattle
Gold Member
RDNA4 seems to be a lock, but will they use zen 4(c?) or zen 5(c?)?
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thismeinteil
Member
So, I guess we're looking at a Slim later this year for $399 without a disk drive. The attachment will be $50-$100. Next year we'll have a Pro that's $499, again without the drive, but can use the same drive attachment as the Slim.
MikeM
Member
Same here! New hardware every three years might even keep me away from PC.Couple of problems with that is the cost and even if you put out say a $1000 console to start a gen about 3-4 years in people like myself would be clamoring for a Pro model
Yes I am a part of the problem
ManaByte
Gold Member
He PS4 Pro and One X didn’t change the whole architecture. This won’t either.
Elder Legend
Banned
I looked at 8K tvs at Best Buy and truthfully couldn't tell the difference between 8K and 4k next to it. Please enlighten me, what is the point of 8K versus the frames?
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bitbydeath
Member
I’m good with 30FPS.
Not sure why you can’t tell a difference between 8K and 4K? The difference is massive. The PS5 UE5 demo was just a small taste of the difference if you saw that.
Elder Legend
Banned
And where exactly are you going to see 8K at its full fidelity for UE5 if you don't have a 8K TV or monitor? Looking at a 8K video on a 4K or lesser monitor you won't see anything. And no, I haven't see the PS5 UE5 demo your talking about, are you talking about Matrix? Thats the only thing I saw and as as I recall it wasn't at 8K and even if it was, I don't have a 8K monitor to view it on.
And yes, I couldn't tell the difference between 8K and 4K at best buy while looking side by side, maybe it's the footage that was on, but I don't see the hype.
Good luck finding a 8K monitor with 60 herts or 120 at an affordable price.
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alucard0712_rus
Gold Member
I'm interested about benefits in VR and If it will worth it over stock PS5.
Physiognomonics
Member
Not really. People want stable 60 with several RT effects
bitbydeath
Member
I have an 8K TV, or did you mean you? If you don’t have an 8K TV then buy one? Or check in-store, maybe they weren’t showing 8K content on it at the time? The Matrix wasn’t 8K, Lumen in the land of Nanite (PS5 demo) had 8K textures which is currently our best look at 8K in the gaming space.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
I will be honest I have looked at 4k and 8k side by side and unless you have a 75" screen and are sitting literally 2 feet away there is no difference.
Edit - So just looked and even Sony says for 8k @ 75" you need to sit 4 1/2 feet away from the screen.
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Elder Legend
Banned
Can you link the Lumen demo? And since when does PS5 render 8K natively? There are very very few people that I know who have 8K TV's.
I do not play video games on big screens anymore as it is not comfortable for me in my studio and I prefer sitting up close with a monitor. Yeah, anyone can get an 8K TV right now, including myself, but I have no desire. They are not as expensive as they used to be, but I prefer monitors and they are practically non-existent. There is a 8K Dell Monitor, but its fucking dell for fuck's sake lol which means it's utter shit and is also very overpriced.
freefornow
Gold Member
JerryinSoCal
Member
I don't think the purpose of a Pro is going to be 8K, DF just focused on that because of that one tweet.
EDMIX
Member
Come on guys, this is crazy, why would Sony want more money? Why would they want people to have more options and choice?
Its not like PS4 Pro did well anyway, it was only for 4K and stuff, ZERO reason exist for this to really be a thing /s
I still don't get why some were betting against a company looking to make money. This was always inevitable to me and a matter a when then if.
It would be like acting shocked that Switch 2 has a "lite" version or "OLED" version or some shit while ignoring the entire history of them doing this.
Who is to say they are not already working on PS6 right now?
I mean, did you really think they'd stop to focus on a Pro version? I mean shit, did PS5 literally not come out after PS4 Pro or? lol They have many teams and its very, very likely its just split the exact way we saw with PS4 Pro and PS5....thats it.
So I don't see this as an either or and Sony as a company still need to make money, to then fund PS6's development, thus would need the sales of PS5 Pro, PS5 Slim etc.
Yea, no one is forcing anyone to... PS4 broke many records for them and did just fine lol
So...no disrespect Senki, what you are saying literally has nothing to do with how that company operates. Their job is to make as much money as they can.
Its not like PS4 Pro did well anyway, it was only for 4K and stuff, ZERO reason exist for this to really be a thing /s
I still don't get why some were betting against a company looking to make money. This was always inevitable to me and a matter a when then if.
It would be like acting shocked that Switch 2 has a "lite" version or "OLED" version or some shit while ignoring the entire history of them doing this.
Who is to say they are not already working on PS6 right now?
I mean, did you really think they'd stop to focus on a Pro version? I mean shit, did PS5 literally not come out after PS4 Pro or? lol They have many teams and its very, very likely its just split the exact way we saw with PS4 Pro and PS5....thats it.
So I don't see this as an either or and Sony as a company still need to make money, to then fund PS6's development, thus would need the sales of PS5 Pro, PS5 Slim etc.
Yea, no one is forcing anyone to... PS4 broke many records for them and did just fine lol
So...no disrespect Senki, what you are saying literally has nothing to do with how that company operates. Their job is to make as much money as they can.
Brigandier
Member
PS5 Pro gonna be a Zen 5 RDNA4 30TF RT Giga Beast
It isn't
It isn't
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
What a revelation, John!
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
There is a shocking number of people even after you tell this to them they say it doesnt make sense
Putonahappyface
Member
Couple of problems with that is the cost and even if you put out say a $1000 console to start a gen about 3-4 years in people like myself would be clamoring for a Pro model
Yes I am a part of the problem
I'll happily shell out for a pro model every 3-4 years. After trading in the previous model it really isn't that big of a hit to your wallet anyway. I like the simplicity of a console and have no intentions of going back to a gaming PC.
Just because we can?
Sometimes, things dont need to have a specific reason. Hell, when I finally decided to build my PC at the last minute I got better parts.
I didnt need to, but I wanted to. In the end it was a good call, a better mobo and cpu.
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Barakov
Gold Member
bitbydeath
Member
Just watching YouTube videos is like the jump from 720p to 1080p all over again. IMO
bitbydeath
Member
The rumours are the PS5 Pro will display games in 8K. OG PS5 can currently and has one indie game that allows for it, nothing impressive there though.
Elder Legend
Banned
Oh THAT demo, yes I saw it back then and my PC can easily eat that up on NATIVE 8K if I wanted to.
As a matter of fact I mess around with Nanite myself in UE 5. It's impressive tech for sure and 8K textures are cool but to be able to really take advantage of it, you'd need machine/hardware to be able to run it at stable framerates and good resolution.
Yes, I know what indie game you are talking about, DF did coverage on it. It's called Tourist or something like that with very blocky art style. Both Series X and PS5 can do it. But it's not a native 8K game and I doubt PS5 Pro will do native as well. Your going to need another generational leap for that to really become a common standard.
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HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Eotheod
Member
I don't think they'll take kindly to bribes. Also they won't spend it on drugs, they'll spend it on wing/talon enhancements to ensure increased damage to bicycle riders. They must increase their attack damage to destroy the zip tie helmets.
If you are smart, put your money in a butcher bird's nest. At least they'll provide a meaty meal as interest earned.
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sendit
Member
If you’re that strapped for money that you need to sell something now and cant save up to purchase a new device next year, then you should probably find a different hobby.
twilo99
Member
Even 4090 systems aren’t doing 8k/60 so…
Oddvintagechap
Member
I fuck with it. I like new shiny gizmos.
bitbydeath
Member
I’m good with 30FPS.
bitbydeath
Member
My couch is about 4ft back.You must be sitting quite close as this is the usual chart I am finding for 8k
bitbydeath
Member
Don’t know why but they never allowed 8K textures in the PC version. It’ll likely get upgraded if consoles start doing it though.
Mr.Phoenix
Member
If you are good with just fine then surely you wouldn't have a problem with a lot better?
Or are you one of those people that just doesn't like knowing there is something better than what you have out there?
cash_longfellow
Gold Member
Perrott
Gold Member
PS4 Pro adopted the recently released Polaris architecture and even integrated some features that wouldn't game until a year later with Vega. Worst case scenario, PS5 Pro will be RDNA 3.5 with RDNA 4 features, and at best a full-on RDNA 4 device.
They didn't have any newer alternative in the CPU front from AMD when doing the mid-gen refresh last generation, so they decided to stick with an overclocked Jaguar, but this time around things are different as they have newer Zen generations that don't represent major shifts in architecture, so they'll 100% go for a Zen 4c with the PS5 Pro.
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