I was talking about viewing the content natively at 8K rather than downsampling to 4K.
Yes we hope they are going to restructure GPU caches and Shader Array setup, which they will on RDNA3.5 tech. I don't think bandwidth will be a big concern.
I think that things such as ray reconstruction and ray coherency sorting (or BVH traversal in HW) are at most not increasing bandwidth but improving efficiency if not reducing bandwidth actually in ideal conditions.
For what its worth. The only reason I went with an 8k panel was due to the pixel density for 4k upscaling at 85". And the fact that high end LCD's which have the extra luminance are usually gated around 8k panels. It wasnt for actual 8k content. Theres so little of it and then when we get into gaming, the horrendous extra power required isnt ever going to be worth the trade off. I truly believe 4k is the sweet spot resolution wise. Having said that, I'd miss my 4k upscaled to 8k.
Fair enough. Largest I will go is 77 so I think 4k will be fine for me for the next 5 years.
Once again good info/confirmation how strong base ps5 gpu performance is like, roughly rtx 2070s.
We will benefit from midgen upgrade a ton.
Remember thats how 2070s performance looks on avg compared to other/stronger cards on the pc market, by now 3 years into this gen, its barely enough.
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER Specs
NVIDIA TU104, 1770 MHz, 2560 Cores, 160 TMUs, 64 ROPs, 8192 MB GDDR6, 1750 MHz, 256 bitwww.techpowerup.com
That downclocked/downvolted rx 6800xt in ps5pr0 cant come soon enough =D
Ofc, but i used this particular vid coz its 3rd party publisher, and game is solid, technically, on both machines + its really a looker, hell it looks better from most of 1st party games too, that was usually very uncommon thing in previous gen's.
These people who keep saying zen 2 is fine are only looking at cross gen games without rt next gen games with rt are way more cpu demanding
Oh i know very well how ps4pr0 runs ragnaraok, and its 45 fps avg or as high as 55 doesnt matter, coz its still cpu bottlenecked, in cpu bottlenecked scenarios it doesnt even hit 40
Edit: afaik not a single game that runs 30 or 30 with drops on base ps4 that can hold stable 120 in high fps mode on ps5, only targer 120, but with big dips
Pretty sure same thing on xbox series consoles, they only can get to stable 120 modes in games that run 60 on last gen, good example is halo infinite, multiplayer mode runs 120 on xbox series(even series s, on smaller maps), but campain- well, u can see it all in DF's vid, keep in mind its not testing at launch but season 2, when devs had plenty time for optimisation/patches xD
big focus on pc and series s campain there, but few snippets of xsx 120fps mode dipping in open worlds when there isnt much going on, imagine how nasty it gets when its durning driving vehicles or big shootouts
we can see more of those nasty fps drops in halo infinite 120fps mode on xsx there, again not driving when its worst, notice how john tries to dmg control it all, i remember back in the days when they discovered mario kart dips 1 frame every now and then they made huge deal out of it, for comparision =D
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Here is how cpu bottleneck looks, even on s2 halo infinite, ofc DF didnt do this test coz it would show reality, aka improvements were made but it still is far from stable 120fps(dips under 100 in cpu intentive scenarios)
But u can see it for urself, btw in exactly same mission xbox one x(so weaksauce jaguar cpu, last gen) was getting 50 to 60fps on performance mode.
All in all proof is there, cpu's in those next gen consoles arent even 3x stronger from last gen, from what i see around 2,5x stronger only.
Games like avatar won’t be native 4k 60 on pro but games like rift apart horizon far cry racing games would
It's a pretty good showing. Consoles have specific optimizations not on PC. Could explain why they manage to match the RTX 2070S in a game featuring quite a bit of ray tracing.
We learned that whatever PS5 Pro specs are the next Xbox is somehow 2X that so we shouldn't get excited about the PS5 Pro .
Maybe there will come a day with complete optimization where the console can equal a 2080 in rt but that may be getting hopes up a bit
I don’t think we need native 4k. Upscaling works well but not with how low some of these games run their game base resolution at.
I think he's being ironic.
His source is Kepler's tweets anybody can read. Not clicking on that.I can't take him seriously (and sadly I used to)
Watched like 30 seconds and jumped ahead and he claims his sources tell him Xbox is going to start next gen earlier than the slide showing 2028
If dude was on GAF he would have known that literal months ago
NOW his sources tell him this?
Yup, I remember this. So much has changed since 2020.
The ML processor? Yes, I will agree with you on that, simply because FSR doesn't need it. Would reconstruction be better with it? Absolutely, but FSR is good enough as is as long as the PS5pro keeps a base rez of 1440p in fidelity mode or 1080p in performance mode. The ML hardware, I can see that being a PS6 thing.
I actually said it before you but my source lives in my head lolThere were some "sources" before the Kepler Tweet even
Very good call
I actually said it before you but my source lives in my head lol
Post in thread 'Xbox FY23 Q4 gaming revenue increased 1% year-over-year (HW down 13%)' https://www.neogaf.com/threads/xbox...r-over-year-hw-down-13.1659152/post-268225206
With a focus on I/O because PS5 SSD was the big talk at the start of the generation .
I really wouldn't take anything he is saying about 8K seriously.
nVIDIA has implemented BVH traversal acceleration in HW and devs seem to vastly prefer that as an option (PS5 titles that want control over it will probably retain it, in some cases it might be advantageous… then again it is the beauty of consoles: allowing API’s to expose different facets of the HW more directly) and on top of that they are able to reorder workload in order to batch work together more effectively (ray coherency sorting, ensuring you process batches of rays going in the “same” direction, is a way to minimise execution divergence which is bad for HW efficiency). Ray reconstruction and HW accelerated ML image denoising help them reduce how many rays they have to throw (hopefully this is something there is HW acceleration for in PS5 Pro too, but PS6 is where the big new AI dream will truly blossom IMHO).
X is the " Pro " model what we have is the smartphone / tablet rollout they might not sell much with each device but it disrupts the model that PlayStation is the king of & with Xbox hiding console sells soon it will look like PlayStation is falling off because people will not buy consoles so fast if they know another one is right around the corner.
Imagine the sales for these next consoles (no matter their naming) if they would be the only place to play GTA6 at 60 fps and current consoles struggling to maintain 30
