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Jim Ryan said 'No' to Kojima's next game - XboxEra Podcast

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Death Stranding cost alot and didn't make much money to Sony. So why would Jim waste money on this hack overrated developer (MGSV only kojima i like) again when he has top tier 1st party devs under his belt?
Do you have sources to your claim
 
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It was Andrew house that signed off on death stranding as a deal for an old friend. Maybe the Sony team just didn’t think the next game sounded good enough.

if kojima pitches to you a turd wrapped in aluminum foil you take it. otherwise phil is bringing that shit to gamepass and the meltdown will be legendary
 
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SLB1904

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Even resetera dont want to be associated with those clows. And here we are making thread from those nobody
 

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There is nothing risky in the gameplay of Metal Gear, Zone Of Enders, Botkai, and plenty of other games he has been involved with.
Death Stranding was pretty risky, i don't see any other developer having the balls to make traveling actually challenging, even less so making the whole game contextualize fetch quests. You either do fetch or escort missions, it's the epitome of not giving a fuck about what's considered "good"

RDR2 has some cool traversal but way less mechanically driven, maybe the only comparable game in that regard.
 

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I take it that you were totally fine with spending 2013-2020 watching every gaming forum on earth filled with people shitting all over Microsoft 24/7 though.
I take it that you were totally fine with spending 2006-2012 watching every gaming forum on earth filled with people shitting all over Sony 24/7 though
 

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Shpeshal Ed said "I think" twice before going on with his Jim Ryan impersonation about what happened between Sony and Kojima after Death Stranding came out, so he clearly was taking A GUESS.

And it was during the Jim Ryan/Hermen Hulst era that Sony actually approached Kojima in early 2020 with a pitch for a Silent Hills revival, although that deal didn't work out - but even then, Sony still gave the greenlight to Kojima Productions not only to enhance Death Stranding (a game that didn't set the world on fire) for the PS5, but also to throw in some entirely new story content for the re-release.

So stop spreading misinformation only because it fits your fucking agenda against Jim Ryan - who btw is not even in charge of the editorial work over at PS Studios, that's Hermen, who is a close friend of Hideo.
 
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He doesn't make games that sell.

His last title was a dead end.
All of his MGS games were big sellers (and most importantly: system sellers) and The Phantom Pain should be sitting at 10M+ by now.

The reason why Death Stranding sales kind of tanked was because those last two months of marketing prior to launch, with those dreadful TGS gameplay demos, killed the hype for pretty much anyone who wasn't a hardcore Hideo Kojima fan. The terribly cut launch trailer and those CG TV spots didn't help at all when the time came to market the game to mainstream audiences.
 
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Is Microsoft still paying youtubers to do marketing for them?
Apparently ms pays everyone who says anything Positive about Xbox. (And let’s ignore the fact that Sony spend 3x more on ads for ps5 than ms did for Xbox series)
 

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An XBOX podcast, what do you think....They are the ones propelling all this Jim doom and gloom.....

There is no way Jim can singlehandedly say no to a game....There is a review team....There is an entire content team that oversees game investments outside of PS studios...

Have you not seen this place lately? So much Jim doom and gloom by sony fans not xbox. Go check them out
 

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think....They are the ones propelling all this Jim doom and gloom.....
I heard the Xbox community has been harassing Sony's Japanese employees, that's why they have all been quitting Japan Studios. True fans know very well that poor Jim Ryan is innocent.
 
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Oh yeah the reputable altchar.com.
If it was big hit then i bet Sony would have funded the sequel easy. They said no coz they don't need or want Kojima big game when you got studios like ND, SSM and Insomniac
 

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If it was big hit then i bet Sony would have funded the sequel easy. They said no coz they don't need or want Kojima big game when you got studios like ND, SSM and Insomniac
That really isnt related with what you said.
No one us arguing if the game was a big hit or not.
 

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Shpeshal Ed said "I think" twice before going on with his Jim Ryan impersonation about what happened between Sony and Kojima after Death Stranding came out, so he clearly was taking A GUESS.

And it was during the Jim Ryan/Hermen Hulst era that Sony actually approached Kojima in early 2020 with a pitch for a Silent Hills revival, although that deal didn't work out - but even then, Sony still gave the greenlight to Kojima Productions not only to enhance Death Stranding (a game that didn't set the world on fire) for the PS5, but also to throw in some entirely new story content for the re-release.

So stop spreading misinformation only because it fits your fucking agenda against Jim Ryan - who btw is not even in charge about the editorial work over at PS Studios, that's Hermen, who is a close friend of Hideo.

Most intelligent post in this thread which will probably go ignored because Jim Ryan is living rent free in gamer heads at the moment.
 

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Jump in the threads and see all the sony fans bashing him. Go see yourself

I don't know, I briefly go into those threads, but it's usually a waste of time. Xbox fans like to cosplay as Sony fans to bash Sony, you can see that with Jon Neu Jon Neu in the LoU2 threads cosplaying as a Naught Dog fan, or longdi longdi and Men_in_Boxes Men_in_Boxes cosplaying as concerned Sony fans. There is that one guy that has a slightly disturbing fascination with the Gravity Rush main character, but I don't think he represents the majority of the fanbase.

It's a waste of time honestly, and people make value judgements of anything that goes on in these companies with very little useful information, sometimes even going only off E3 stage appearances.

Am I happy with Jim Ryan? I don't know, I think the Japan Studios situation could have been handled better and again the rumors of Sony turning down Kojima's next game are not pleasant, but given how extremely disappointing Death Stranding is, then I could see how it could happen. If Kojima has something as weird as a FedEx simulator in mind for his next game, I wouldn't waste my money again until seeing plenty of critic reviews and user reviews with universal acclaim.
 

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I don't know, I briefly go into those threads, but it's usually a waste of time. Xbox fans like to cosplay as Sony fans to bash Sony, you can see that with Jon Neu Jon Neu in the LoU2 threads cosplaying as a Naught Dog fan, or longdi longdi and Men_in_Boxes Men_in_Boxes cosplaying as concerned Sony fans. There is that one guy that has a slightly disturbing fascination with the Gravity Rush main character, but I don't think he represents the majority of the fanbase.

It's a waste of time honestly, and people make value judgements of anything that goes on in these companies with very little useful information, sometimes even going only off E3 stage appearances.

Am I happy with Jim Ryan? I don't know, I think the Japan Studios situation could have been handled better and again the rumors of Sony turning down Kojima's next game are not pleasant, but given how extremely disappointing Death Stranding is, then I could see how it could happen. If Kojima has something as weird as a FedEx simulator in mind for his next game, I wouldn't waste my money again until seeing plenty of critic reviews and user reviews with universal acclaim.

that’s quite an accusation lol but i know what you mean. Every thread gets trolled by fanboys of the opposite console and such. You only have to jump in an xbox thread and especially if its about gamepass to see how bad it is. There just seems to be a lot of negativity about Jim and some of the die hard sony fans on here also comment on it.

i dont know what he done tbh as i dont read that much on it, i have a ps4 and pretty happy with it and the games on it and i know when i get ps5 i be happy with that to.

people always have to find something to complain about i guess and if they have nothing to complain about they try to find something

as for his last game, lot of sony fans love it apparently but I haven’t played it myself. It seems very marmite
 
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sublimit

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Some days ago a man at a bar told me that his father was a close friend of Jim Ryan and he knows that he's an alien that has secretly come to earth in order to destroy Sony.

Should i make a thread about it? I'm pretty sure it's legit.

Also if the fanfiction in the OP is true i will love Jim Ryan even more!
 
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Huge doubts that it will be an exclusivity deal, probably Kojima wants some of that Gamepass money microsoft is throwing away, worst case scenario it will be a Gamepass series game and when completed it will be released as one game on PS5, best case scenario game pass has the game on the Gamepass list while Sony users will have to buy the episodes.

I don't think Kojima wants to divide his userbase like that, jumping from the one boat on another. Makes no sense, he knows his main fanbase are sony fans he ain't an idiot.
 
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Kojima + Xbox? Is like Shigeru Miyamoto working with SEGA for a secret project-o.

Vladimir Putin Laughing GIF
What on earth are you on about?
 
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Huge doubts that it will be an exclusivity deal, probably Kojima wants some of that Gamepass money microsoft is throwing away, worst case scenario it will be a Gamepass series game and when completed it will be released as one game on PS5, best case scenario game pass has the game on the Gamepass list while Sony users will have to buy the episodes.

I don't think Kojima wants to divide his userbase like that, jumping from the one boat on another. Makes no sense, he knows his main fanbase are sony fans he ain't an idiot.
"throwing away"? I want some of that as well 😁
 

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Come to Xbox , we will do you right!
Oh no doubt Phil will bag this one quick sharp, even if the game is average the publicity alone to have Kojima's new game on GP day one will be monumental. E3 this year will set Gaf on fire if that is announced lol
 

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Are longdi longdi and Men_in_Boxes Men_in_Boxes Sony fans? That's certainly news to me. ;)

Im a PC fan and fan of Japanese designs and Kojima, and also value buys like GP. To me, PC is great value for instance. I can do a lot of work on it and so i wont hesitate to pay more. 🤷‍♀️

I only had the Xbox OG and owned PS1.2.3.PSP.Vita.

So yes i am concerned with the direction Jimbo is taking my Sony.
 
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The most harsh critics of Sony's current direction should be us, Sony fans.

I literally don't care what Xbox fans say about all this, they have their favorite toy we have ours.

Microsoft momentum and announcements are at an all time high and we just want Sony to answer, I was all in for competition and I am glad Phil is making xbox relevant again, I was all in for competition because competition brings progress, but Sony is playing the silent Giant role right now...

I doubt Sony isn't making a lot of moves behind the scenes, Microsoft's momentum is too great to ignore and they have to react.
 
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I was all in for competition because competition brings progress, but Sony is playing the silent Giant role right now...

I doubt Sony isn't making a lot of moves behind the scenes, Microsoft's momentum is too great to ignore and they have to react.

So, Dec. 2019 and onwards. MS was loud, Sony was silent. :/
 

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Death Stranding cost alot and didn't make much money to Sony. So why would Jim waste money on this hack overrated developer (MGSV only kojima i like) again when he has top tier 1st party devs under his belt?

May have not been a big hit, but it was confirmed to be profitable rather than at a loss.
 
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Again, Jim Ryan sold 115 million PS4s and he's on pace to sell 200 million PS5s. I'm betting management loves him at Sony.
Jim Ryan didn't do shit on the PS4 front. That was House/Cerny/Yoshida/Trenton/You can play used games on PS4. PS5 will be the system that makes or breaks Jim Ryan.
 
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Death Stranding cost alot and didn't make much money to Sony. So why would Jim waste money on this hack overrated developer (MGSV only kojima i like) again when he has top tier 1st party devs under his belt?

Kojima is a proven game creator. Games don't always hit it out of the park, but it doesn't mean his next game will not be a homerun. Even if we consider his last game to be a miss (though I don't share the same opinion), it doesn't mean his next game will be.

I don't know how funding Kojima Production will deter Sony from funding other games. It's good that they're shopping around and making deals with proven studios for a AAA game. But that is not a reason to reject Kojima. Although it is not a guaranteed success with Kojima, there's not much of a risk with him.

I wonder if this rejection by Jim Ryan is real though.
 
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Preach it, place has been taken over by MS marketing team.

Or maybe, just maybe... some hardcore genuine fans of the PlayStation platform are concerned with the current direction? :pie_thinking:

I'm platform agnostic but from my perspective, Sony is currently trending towards the Don Mattrick Xbox era. It's *nowhere* near as bad, of course. But even 1% of that kind of CEO influence is always bad news for hardcore fans who are primarily invested in that platform. More so for fans who have been around since the PS1.
 
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Jim Ryan did "insert any kind of shitty decision"

I mean at this point it doesn't surprise me anymore and Ryan making dumb shit decision has become a daily standard news "unfortunately"
 
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Sony turning away Kojima isn't shocking because they were expecting Death Stranding to be a financial success and in the end it wasn't, even most MGS fanatics didn't bite, but MS allowing Kojima to bring his ex Stadia game to Xbox and PC is a little surprising.
 
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I don't know how funding Kojima Production will deter Sony from funding other games. It's good that they're shopping around and making deals with proven studios for a AAA game. But that is not a reason to reject Kojima. Although it is not a guaranteed success with Kojima, there's not much of a risk with him.

I wonder if this rejection by Jim Ryan is real though.

Sony turning away Kojima isn't shocking because they were expecting Death Stranding to be a financial success and in the end it wasn't, even most MGS fanatics didn't bite, but MS allowing Kojima to bring his ex Stadia game to Xbox and PC is a little surprising.


Some people are damn out of touch. Said few pages back :
Kojima Productions hiring people with UE4 knowledge for quite some time. They were never going to work only with Decima of they wanted to go Multiplatform or work with another publisher not named Sony. Also, Kojima stated that Kojima Productions is working on multiple project. So, he can go elsewhere where he wants. Working with MS and Sony too. Btw. happy birthday :

 
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wow people turn fast. everyone was praising Kojima but now he is rumored to be working with MS and Jimbob Ryan refused to work with him everyone is acting like they never really liked Kojima.
 
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