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Jim Ryan said 'No' to Kojima's next game - XboxEra Podcast
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sainraja
Member
I've realized that on this forum, for some people anyway, that something doesn't need to be true for them to try to mock it or claim it. lol
Ryu_Joestar
Member
This is an exact deja-vu of PS3 era, no games with bad management of the whole thing, riding with arrogance the wave of success the previous console generated and thinking only on profit without thinking also on the consumer
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Of course they should, why would you ever assume that money men care about anything but sales? I guess if all you play is COD, FIFA and assassins creed I understand your position.
EverydayBeast
thinks Halo Infinite is a new graphical benchmark
Saying no to someone is necessary to go forward sometimes.
Zoro7
Banned
What a weird thing to say. If his pitch was shit then why would they say yes?
mayyybe potential profit isn't the only indicator of a games worth?
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Dads say no to kids.
Zoro7
Banned
Not the only indicator, but the biggest one for sure.
Jon Neu
Banned
Xbox fans like to cosplay as Sony fans to bash Sony, you can see that withJon Neu in the LoU2 threads cosplaying as a Naught Dog fan, or
longdi and
Men_in_Boxes cosplaying as concerned Sony fans.
Thanks for the mention in a thread I'm not following and the lies about me so you can justify your silly attempt at invalidating other people's opinions.
Nothing new when Sony fanboys go rage blind mode: damage control and dismiss every opinion that goes against the narrative by sheer character assasination. Protect Sony at all costs!
Jon Neu
Banned
It's not precisely the most expensive AAA game ever made, so I'm sure it did.
Jesus Christ, this is why the industry is creatively bankrupt, even the consumers think like corporate suits.
Zoro7
Banned
So what you want is companies to spend money making games that don’t sell well? You want more examples like Sega? Profitability leads to more games. It’s not rocket science.
SSfox
Member
Imagine saying no to Kojima, and then saying yes to Jade Raymond, and then thinking you are still fit to be head of playstation.
vpance
Member
For Kojima yes, but Sony probably not, after marketing expenses and whatever unknown costs it took to get him to be exclusive in the first place.
The most profitable games are COD, FIFA, Remakes and Sequels, If all you seek is profit this is all you will receive. It doesn't matter if you receive more games when they are all creatively bankrupt. The real legacy of any developer or publisher isn't how high the stock ticker went or where they placed on a sales chart, its how good were the games they made. This complete upside down flipping of values is not something I would have expected so many consumers to adopt.
hemo memo
Gold Member
Sony shareholders after a bad decline: We made a big mistake....again.
megreotsugua
Banned
Isn't it the board of directors who approve contracts unless delegated to some officer?
Liar
Banned
We aren't in 2000s anymore, there is only so far Kojima's weirdness can get him.
Sometimes people just want to kill stuff in their games, without some added meaning to it.
Also, Ryan is a businessman, and those tend not to waste money on experimental crap.
Evil Calvin
Afraid of Boobs
I know Sony didn't make it but it's a timed exclusive but aren't Sony fanboys creaming over FF7 remake episode 1 of whatever? And the FF7 Remake DLC?
SoraNoKuni
Member
That's my experience as well..
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
Board approves annual budgets, so unless additional/extraordinary funding is required it won't get above studio group level (i.e Herman Hulst).
In the case of bringing Kojima onboard I can see it going above that, as its a strategic partnership sort of deal. But for subsequent ventures I'd be surprised if that was deemed neccessary. It'd just go to either studio group and/or x-dev, whoever was managing the production of DS.
The main thing is Kojima has a strong advocate in Hulst, and he's the guy hand-picked by Ryan to manage first-party. So I can't see Ryan veto-ing anything because the optics in a corporate sense would show weakness, as he'd be second-guessing his own man.
Negotiator101
Member
It doesn't matter, its about gaining hardcore gamers onto GP. Kojima is one of the best known game developers and he has a devote fan base. Phil knows this and I would be very surprised if this isn't a done deal already.
Kenpachii
Member
Guess what he doesn't own MGS and his newest game was far from being a next generation new MGS type of game. He blew it.
People expected silent hill type of game with maybe resident evil type of gameplay specially after the PS4 demo of that other game and the trailers that hinted towards it, they got some retarded open world bridge maker / mail delivery simulator that only select outlets give 2 shits about like that summer fest presentator which is a complete fanboy of him and give him awards for it becuase they have nothing else in this subsection to start with.
Its a single player game, it has no future as title itself, it was his big moment to shine outside of konami and he royaly fucked it up.
The game makes no money, he basically degraded to a indie status after that and can bankroll his own titles from that point on if he wants too.
But he isn't a idiot and know any project he takes can bankrupt him the next day. That's why he's begging everybody to fund his next game which frankly after death stranding is on the lower and of the list of publishers at this point.
What sony and microsoft are searching for that's the new warfare or fortnite that can rake in billions a year on microtransactions which all can be done on there platform. Or a game that can become something big and sustain itself.
With games moving to 200m mark, and probably going to sit at higher then blockbuster movie costs at the end of the generation with tons of teams working on it for years. Sony is in the need for games that bankroll there industry and not leech on it.
Kojima is basically a indie developer now, that doesn't even trust his own work as he wont fund it himself.
thelastword
Banned
I see some people are using this as an opportunity to defecate on Death Stranding and Kojima........Truth is, DS was a great game with great graphics with a unique story and gameplay, the industry needs this too as opposed to the millionth cookie cutter shooter in a sandbox pallete.....The industry needs Detroit, it needs Until Dawn, it needs Detroit, Returnal, TLG, Stray, Kena, Gravity Rush, Astro, Blood and Truth etc.....Not everybody wants to play COD or Skyrim or Fallout......So we need Horizon, we need Days Gone, we need Tsushima.....However you can't just invest in the slower sellers or those games just breaking even....You need quite a few heavy hitters, critical darlings and sales monsters to offset losses from some of the quirky games, the riskier games, the more niche games.....Block Busters are your bread and butter, without them, the others can be hard to finance...So it's a balancing act, you can't go gungho into risky and indie and don't know where your next hit is coming from...
Imru’ al-Qays
Member
Not if you're a platform holder. If you're a platform holder what you want are games that build hype for your platform and that convince people sitting on the fence to buy into your ecosystem instead of the other guy's. You'll more than make up the couple million you lose on Kojima's next boondoggle if your untouchable mindshare means you're the console of choice for every mouthbreathing idiot who drops $1000 a month on GTA shark cards.
Negotiator101
Member
It's gonna bite him on the ass big time, Kojima's new game day 1 on GP, will drive subs like bees to honey. Jim Ryan has got 1 or 2 years before he's gone, and it won't be his doing either.
Dabaus
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Epic Sax CEO
Banned
All things Kojima is just on another level.
"The Phantom Pain".
"The Phantom Pain".
Rhazer Fusion
Member
That does make me wonder. Then again, just the very idea that it’s strongly rumored that Kojima went over to XBOX with an exclusive which could eventually turn into something bigger for Microsoft. Hey you guys rejected my game. Death Stranding 2, ZOE 3 and Policenauts 2 exclusive to 3 XBOX.
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Boss Mog
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Konami holds the rights to Zone of the Enders and Policenauts though.
SLB1904
Banned
unfortunately thats how these cunts run companies. ''what we made $1b? lets make $10b, release 30 the last of us''
the only bad news for me is not having death stranding 2. one of my favorite games ever
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Rhazer Fusion
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Yep. I remember some reviewers and people saying, it’s only a boring walking simulator.......oh.....wait, I think I picked up a stun gun or something a little later, but all you do is walk in it. Ironically, I think Death Stranding ended up having more weapons and vehicles than most other games on the market.
Rhazer Fusion
Member
Yeah, I was just using those for examples for some reason. Again, I still think letting Kojima walk can lead into yet another mistake for Sony.
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Reality Czar
Banned
This entire thread is based on a rumor from a RetardEra Xbox podcaster? So funny how everyone is taking this as true. Does him doing an impression of the CEO make it more believable?
Kojima was touting how the game was already making a profit last May. This was a month before the PC release of Death Stranding.
Elsewhere in the interview he mentions a "big project" that recently fell through, which is separate from the next Kojima productions project that he mentions they are preparing for after DS. We know that the Stadia project was a big project, being not just a single game but an episodic release. It is entirely likely that Sony was offered a chance at the episodic one and turned it down. At any rate we know Kojima is working on multiple projects. So even if this rumor is correct, the next Kojima game could still come out on PlayStation."We surpassed the amount we needed to make a profit, so I think it sold well enough to be called a 'success,' recoupment of development costs included," said Kojima in an interview with LiveDoor News, translated by Gematsu. "We'll release the PC version soon and have already secured enough profit to prepare for what’s next, so there’s no need to worry."
Hideo Kojima says Death Stranding was profitable, laments recent 'big project' that fell through
Stand and Deliver Hideo Kojima has spoken about the financial return on his most recent release, Death Stranding. The strange...www.destructoid.com
Not that this will slow down the FUD anti hype train. It's too bad that there is a general lack of games, this sort of speculation and rumor mongering is filling in the void.
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longdi
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That's what I love about kojima games, he has tons of mechanics in them. Little things and interactions you can do.
That said, DS level progression is too menu heavy, perhaps that's caused some to drop off before experiencing the whole game
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Kerotan
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Funny you say that when this rumour is talking about kojima who is number one in the world for Hollywood names in games.
I will add however I like Death Stranding as a one off unique game. If he was to mwje5a sequel I'd need combat at least on the level of MGSV added to justify a purchase.
I also didn't find the Hollywood additions in DS negatively affected the experience.
Hugare
Member
I would like to see some of you guys trying to run a company as big as Sony based on feelings
"The sales of our 5 year investment didnt cover costs? Oh, but that wasn't the point"
Beautiful thing to say during a conference with fans. But totally devoided of any reality.
The cost of AAA productions are as high as ever. Sony will play safe more and more.
Death Stranding didnt sell that well nor was amazingly reviewed. Same thing with Until Dawn, a game that I love dearly, but wont get a sequel, understandably so. OrTheOrder.
"The sales of our 5 year investment didnt cover costs? Oh, but that wasn't the point"
Beautiful thing to say during a conference with fans. But totally devoided of any reality.
The cost of AAA productions are as high as ever. Sony will play safe more and more.
Death Stranding didnt sell that well nor was amazingly reviewed. Same thing with Until Dawn, a game that I love dearly, but wont get a sequel, understandably so. OrTheOrder.
vpance
Member
Even though it was profitable for Kojima I don’t think he’ll make another game like that again. I believe he was expecting more out of it, based on some interviews he did. I think his next will be more crowd pleasing.
Jim will look like a fool if it’s amazing or a a prudent exec if it’s not. Nothing more to know.
Rikku-X
Member
Yet Phil Spencer said yes.
ZywyPL
Banned
Strange if true, with Sony's maniacal focus on TPP cinematic games I'd though that Kojima and David Cage will be the first persons they'll reach for exclusive content...
Not a single MP, no Season Passes, no Map Packs, no DLCs, no MTX, they can blame no one but themselves for missreading the market. SP-only AAA titles are cool and all, but as everyone knows are unsustainable unless sold in 10MLN+, and Sony seems not to know how to, let's not be afraid of using the word - milk their games.
Not a single MP, no Season Passes, no Map Packs, no DLCs, no MTX, they can blame no one but themselves for missreading the market. SP-only AAA titles are cool and all, but as everyone knows are unsustainable unless sold in 10MLN+, and Sony seems not to know how to, let's not be afraid of using the word - milk their games.
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Liar
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Phil Spencer says a lot of things.