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[DoctaThompson]

Cutscene versus gameplay.

Either way hellblade face looks good, but not better than drakes's face, and especially his model, when hair on his chest follow the wind and finger bones bend like real life, or the light passed a bit through his ears.

What cutscene, RDR2? Cause that is in game for Hellblade. Nah buddy, you may prefer a certain art direction, but you can't beat facts. The sad part is, if Uncharted was a Microsoft game, you wouldn't be defending it at all. This is why it is pointless to converse with some fanboys on this site.

 

[Casanova]

Just not feeling it, Feel like it never needed it.

Never needed what exactly? The Gaytm?! Was it just fine without The Gaytm?! What would make it okay in your opinion? If she was just straight like in real life, like how people are just straight by default in real life and no one asks questions??

 

[LittleBigGamer]

What cutscene, RDR2? Cause that is in game for Hellblade. Nah buddy, you may prefer a certain art direction, but you can't beat facts. The sad part is, if Uncharted was a Microsoft game, you wouldn't be defending it at all. This is why it is pointless to converse with some fanboys on this site.

RDR2 and Hellblade photos are cut scenes, Uncharted 4 is Gameplay photo. These are the facts you want.

Hellblade is also on PS4, it is not only on PC and XBOX. It Is an extremely linear and restrictive game in many areas.
Do you even recognise that you are the fanboy who gets in every console thread to downplay them?

 

[Shmunter]

PM him the link. Don't post it here..

There’s nothing plot or character spoiling in that horse ride forest scene. Relevant to graphics discussion.

 

[DoctaThompson]

RDR2 and Hellblade photos is cut scene, Uncharted 4 is Gameplay photo. Those are the facts.

Hellblade is also on PS4.
Do you really recognise that you are the fanboy who gets in every console thread to downplay them?

Why not use facts instead of making yourself look foolish. First of all, Hellblade is IN GAME.

Proof?






I initially mentioned BOTH games are on PS4, so how am I being a fanboy, by comparing the two, and picking the superior character model? Think about that for a second. Point still remains that Hellblade >>> Uncharted character models.

 

[LittleBigGamer]

Why not use facts instead of making yourself look foolish. First of all, Hellblade is IN GAME.

Proof?






I initially mentioned BOTH games are on PS4, so how am I being a fanboy, by comparing the two, and picking the superior character model? Think about that for a second. Point still remains that Hellblade >>> Uncharted character models.

This is indeed gameplay. Look at the awful textures of the environment, even if it is extremely linear looks rubbish.

No, U4 model is way better overall you like it or not. The face only is a bit worse in hellblade because they focuced only there it seems.

 

[pawel86ck]

HAHAHAHHA I remember that one xD KZ2 is the last game that impressed me graphically, still kind of is, it was the very first evidence of what properly utilized Cell can really do. I still dream that we will get a remaster one day

I always thought Motorstorm, Uncharted 1 and Heavenly Sword already showcased cell power before Killzone 2?

 

[DoctaThompson]

This is indeed gameplay. Look at the awful textures of the environment, even if it is extremely linear looks rubbish.

No, U4 model is way better. The face only is a bit worse in hellblade because they focuced only there.

So now that I have proven you wrong, you move the goalposts and mention the environment now... LOL Take your L and move on dude. Hellblade has better character models whether you want to believe it or not.

I always thought Motorstorm, Uncharted 1 and Heavenly Sword already showcased cell power before Killzone 2?

I would love a new Motorstorm game!

 

[Deleted member 17706]

Stolen from Hellblade screenshots thread. Apart from the Lazy eye, impressive character model.

Another impressive character model

Impressive character model but not as impressive as the first 2.

RDR2 is no doubt one of if not the most technically accomplished game and graphically impressive but to me its a case of the sum of the parts rather than the individual parts that make it impressive. And that's no small feat. It consistently looks amazing when taken as a whole and in my opinion consistently looks good from every angle compared to Uncharted 4. Another game that does that is Horizon Zero Dawn, it consistently looks good and to me the game with the most impressive models is Horizon Zero Dawn. Those robotic creatures are amazing to look at, the character models are impressive too but those robots take the cake.

Yeah, Horizon is probably the game that most impressed me overall this generation strictly in terms of visuals. There was a lot I didn't like about the game, but it looked amazing. So many great looking games this generation. I think RDR2 being multiplat, which is typically quite a handicap, deserves special recognition for its accomplishments.

 

[LittleBigGamer]

So now that I have proven you wrong, you move the goalposts and mention the environment now... LOL Take your L and move on dude. Hellblade has better character models whether you want to believe it or not.

How did you proved me wrong. The video you gaνe me is way worse than the photo.

this is way better, wrinkles, expressions, animations, poly count everything. As I said only the face is comparable a bit, because they focused only there in hellblade.


i know you feel bad because you paid 4 times this console to have worse graphics from an older game, But this is the truth.

Next time don't make the same mistakes.

 

[Keihart]

This is indeed gameplay. Look at the awful textures of the environment, even if it is extremely linear looks rubbish.

No, U4 model is way better overall you like it or not. The face only is a bit worse in hellblade because they focuced only there it seems.

It's not only that the animation in Uncharted 4 makes Drake more impressive, but the way the character deforms to show muscle and wrinkles constantly during gameplay and cut scenes ground it a lot. I haven't seen that kind of fidelity in other games this gen, not even sony ones. Just look at the edges of the model and it's pretty aparent. The character is full of those details not just the face. The way the clothes move too with wind and animation, etc

 

[DoctaThompson]

How did you proved me wrong. The video you gaνe me is way worse than the photo.

this is way better, wrinkles, expressions, animations, poly count everything. As I said only the face is comparable a bit, because they focused only there in hellblade.


i know you feel bad because you paid 4 times this console to have worse graphics from an older game, But this is the truth.

Next time don't make the same mistakes.

There is no way you tried to counter an argument with a worse video than anything posted yet. In motion, you can tell the animations are not fluid for facial expressions, and texture quality is not on the same level. This was a horrible video to try and prove a point, as it didn't prove anything besides reiterating my point: Hellblade looks more impressive.

 

[LittleBigGamer]

There is no way you tried to counter an argument with a worse video than anything posted yet. In motion, you can tell the animations are not fluid for facial expressions, and texture quality is not on the same level. This was a horrible video to try and prove a point, as it didn't prove anything besides reiterating my point: Hellblade looks more impressive.

For your biased eyes it is of course.

you can't be serious....This hellblade video looks last gen except the face. Even if it is filtered in photomode...

see you in the next console thread trying to downplay console graphics again.

 

[Darlingcognito]

Reminds me of the plasticity rife in something like Perfect dark zero.
It's animations are at about Clayfighter 64 type levels, maybe a bit lower.
And all at 30fps no less.

 

[DoctaThompson]

Reminds me of the plasticity rife in something like Perfect dark zero.
It's animations are at about Clayfighter 64 type levels, maybe a bit lower.
And all at 30fps no less.

Technically speaking, it does drop into the ~20fps range.

 

[DForce]

Why not use facts instead of making yourself look foolish. First of all, Hellblade is IN GAME.

Proof?






I initially mentioned BOTH games are on PS4, so how am I being a fanboy, by comparing the two, and picking the superior character model? Think about that for a second. Point still remains that Hellblade >>> Uncharted character models.

The surface of her skin looks dry in comparison to RDR2 and UC4 character models. I don't find that to be realistic.

The texture may be high quality, but the shaders don't give her skin that much needed detail.

 

[Omega Supreme Holopsicon]

Why not use facts instead of making yourself look foolish. First of all, Hellblade is IN GAME.

Proof?






I initially mentioned BOTH games are on PS4, so how am I being a fanboy, by comparing the two, and picking the superior character model? Think about that for a second. Point still remains that Hellblade >>> Uncharted character models.

If we're using ansel we'd need to compare uncharted in photomode too. And remember I didn't say photomode uncharted but cutscene uncharted using highest lod.

edit: The textures might be slightly higher rez in hellblade, but animations and shaders(things like deforming wrinkles) seem more advanced in drake. Geometry seems similar.

 

[LittleBigGamer]

The face is good in hellblade without a doubt(still not better than uncharted's, maybe I can say the eyes are preety realistic and they give overall a good look) but when a game focuses only on the face then it's easy to accomplice something good. Imagine U4 had PS3 linear low poly environments. Maybe the face of drake could look PS5 material.

Hellblade reminds me The Order on how a restricted game could benefit in graphics, even if the latter was better looking overall.

example. Without the very good design in eyes, it does not looks good at all. The first thing we look is eyes so it really helps here.

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We don't really need to argue, because the last of us 2 faces will be way better than both games.

 

[DoctaThompson]

The surface of her skin looks dry in comparison to RDR2 and UC4 character models. I don't find that to be realistic.

The texture may be high quality, but the shaders don't give her skin that much needed detail.

The majority of her skin on the face is covered in war paint, or has scarring on her face. Which would make it look more "dry"

If we're using ansel we'd need to compare uncharted in photomode too. And remember I didn't say photomode uncharted but cutscene uncharted using highest lod.

edit: The textures might be slightly higher rez in hellblade, but animations and shaders(things like deforming wrinkles) seem more advanced in drake. Geometry seems similar.

You can use photomode. I never said you couldn't. Photomode on Hellblade doesn't make the game look any better, it just pauses the game and lets you screenshot from whatever angle, etc. Uncharted framerate dips in photomode which would suggest it would give better image quality. So use whatever you need, but either way, the fact still remains. Hellblade >>>> Uncharted character models.

The face is good in hellblade without a doubt(still not better than uncharted's, maybe I can say the eyes are preety realistic and they give overall a good look) but when a game focuses only on the face then it's easy to accomplice something good. Imagine U4 had PS3 linear low poly environments. Maybe the face of drake could look PS5 material.

Hellblade reminds me The Order on how a restricted game could benefit in graphics, even if the latter was better looking overall.

example. Without the very good design in eyes, it does not looks good at all. The first thing we look is eyes so it really helps here.

upload

Read above response. And use uncompressed footage next time for an example, not youtube screen shot.

 

[Omega Supreme Holopsicon]

Hellblade >>>> Uncharted character models.

not highest lod cutscene models which was what i was talking about.

 

[DoctaThompson]

not highest lod cutscene models which was what i was talking about.

Isn't that a cutscene though....???? I'm not sure what you are trying to show here....? I thought it was a comparison from in game? The cutscenes in Hellblade look even better than in game.

 

[Omega Supreme Holopsicon]

Isn't that a cutscene though....???? I'm not sure what you are trying to show here....? I thought it was a comparison from in game? The cutscenes in Hellblade look even better than in game.

From the beginning I said uncharted cutscene models look better than pretty much any non sony exclusive game models.

 

[DoctaThompson]

From the beginning I said uncharted cutscene models look better than pretty much any non sony exclusive game models.

But they don't.... Cutscene for Cutscene, or in game to in game, Hellblade looks better. And I'm only using that one game for example. What is so hard to believe about that?

 

[LittleBigGamer]

Read above response. And use uncompressed footage next time for an example, not youtube screen shot.

If you had a minimum experience in gaming you don't need uncompressed footage to see that hellblade's face doesn't have something special except the almost perfect eyes.
It's very good overall, but the eyes are amazing. This adds a lot.

 

[Omega Supreme Holopsicon]

But they don't.... Cutscene for Cutscene, or in game to in game, Hellblade looks better. And I'm only using that one game for example. What is so hard to believe about that?

I just saw hellblade one cutscene, it didn't look more impressive than that beach scene with drake.

If you had a minimum experience in gaming you don't need uncompressed footage to see that hellblade's face doesn't have something special except the almost perfect eyes.
It's very good overall, but the eyes are amazing. This adds a lot.

The textures are a bit sharper too. They seem sharper even than the original hellblade cinematic trailer and seem sharper than those even seen in the hellblade 2 trailer.

 

[DForce]

The majority of her skin on the face is covered in war paint, or has scarring on her face. Which would make it look more "dry"

It's like there's no sweat coming from her face and that doesn't appear natural. It also seems to lake true subsurface shaders. This gives the surface of her skin a very dry appearance.

You can see how the light reacts to Author's skin. This is a cut-scene, but this happens in game too, just to a lesser degree.

Your skin appears translucent in many areas and that's why your ear appears red when sunlight passes through it. This doesn't happen on her character model, which is why i believe there's either little none on her character model.

You can even see how the light reacts to their lips. It's completely different. RDR2 appears more natural while Hellblade does not.

This is not to say that it doesn't look good, but it there definitely something lacking there.

 

[DoctaThompson]

If you had a minimum experience in gaming you don't need uncompressed footage to see that hellblade's face doesn't have something special except the almost perfect eyes.
It's very good overall, but the eyes are amazing. This adds a lot.

The eyes are no where near perfect on Senua. No where near it. But, that doesn't take away from the fact that you are trying to downplay the character model by screen capping a video on low settings. That is not cool. Why not reference any in game screenshots? There were some that others have posted that are night and day difference, and much better than uncharted. The in game shots from hellblade are better than cutscenes in uncharted. Why not use direct footage for that?

It's like there's no sweat coming from her face and that doesn't appear natural. It also seems to lake true subsurface shaders. This gives the surface of her skin a very dry appearance.

You can see how the light reacts to Author's skin. This is a cut-scene, but this happens in game too, just to a lesser degree.

Your skin appears translucent in many areas and that's why your ear appears red when sunlight passes through it. This doesn't happen on her character model, which is why i believe there's either little none on her character model.

You can even see how the light reacts to their lips. It's completely different. RDR2 appears more natural while Hellblade does not.

This is not to say that it doesn't look good, but it there definitely something lacking there.

Both of those shots look much better than uncharted models. Which is exactly proving my point here.

 

[DForce]

The eyes are no where near perfect on Senua. No where near it. But, that doesn't take away from the fact that you are trying to downplay the character model by screen capping a video on low settings. That is not cool. Why not reference any in game screenshots? There were some that others have posted that are night and day difference, and much better than uncharted. The in game shots from hellblade are better than cutscenes in uncharted. Why not use direct footage for that?


Both of those shots look much better than uncharted models. Which is exactly proving my point here.

Uncharted 4 character models are more natural than Hellblade.

 

[itsjustJEFF]

Did we see the same footage? It looked OK, nothing ground breaking, especially for a game that is in development for 7 years and even with a HUGE team and a lot of budget.

I honestly think that the forest in A Plague Tale looked much better:

and this is from a small indie dev.



yeah especially on one X with 4K native res. Looks so sharp and crisp. Especially the sky, looks like real life. its crazy

I love these screen shots for the art direction and style. I've always put art direction and style way a head of sharpness and crispness. For the first few years of the xbox 360/ps3 generation that Overdrive was the best looking game. I think Control is one of the best looking games of this generation, it has a great art style. It realistic, but surreal at the same time. It's so gorgeous.

 

[LittleBigGamer]

Both of those shots look much better than uncharted models. Which is exactly proving my point here.

These are not gameplay for both games again.
We really have seen how these games look in game(above we saw hellblade). I would like a video like uncharted though, without photomode or cutscene.

this is how the skin reacts

And here(gameplay) look the rest of the body, the wind on the shirt. I believe uncharted model is on another level overall.

I really want to see in idle mode the other two games. No cut scenes, no photomode.

 

[DoctaThompson]

Uncharted 4 character models are more natural than Hellblade.

So you like uncharted more from an art direction, but on a technical standpoint, hellblade is technically better. More polygons, higher resolution textures, etc. In motion hellblade looks night and day better than uncharted when it comes to animations and facial expressions. You cannot change my mind or unbiased minds on that. Compare the two, and you'll see why ninja theory spent so much time on motion capture, and why they put so much time on getting things right.

 

[Omega Supreme Holopsicon]

Both of those shots look much better than uncharted models. Which is exactly proving my point here.

So you like uncharted more from an art direction, but on a technical standpoint, hellblade is technically better. More polygons, higher resolution textures, etc. In motion hellblade looks night and day better than uncharted when it comes to animations and facial expressions. You cannot change my mind or unbiased minds on that. Compare the two, and you'll see why ninja theory spent so much time on motion capture, and why they put so much time into that.

reply above

 

[DoctaThompson]

reply above

Compare uncharted to... Uncharted...? Don't get what you are trying to prove here.....? Pulling at straws now??

 

[Omega Supreme Holopsicon]

Compare uncharted to... Uncharted...? Don't get what you are trying to prove here.....? Pulling at straws now??

ignore the comparison. Either face is more realistic looking than the above photos of rdr2 and hellblade.

 

[LittleBigGamer]

this is how it looks like in photomode. I bet it looks even worse if someone capture in idle the model.

 

[DoctaThompson]

ignore the comparison. Either face is more realistic looking than the above photos of rdr2 and hellblade.

No, it's not. But let me ask you this. If this was a Microsoft game, would you have that same energy defending it? Look, I play both Sony and Microsoft games. I'm not biased here. You on the other hand... Well, we know where that goes.... I don't get the need to defend something so hard, that you resort to moving goal posts, yet still haven't proved anything?!?! That's insanity. And I only used one example, without mentioning other games.

 

[DoctaThompson]

this is how it looks like in photomode. I bet it looks even worse if someone capture in idle the model.

You are also using a screenshot from a compressed YouTube video, at low resolution. Why not compare in game screen shots like the previous posts? Recycling the same image only makes you look foolish, when we have all seen high resolution images.

 

[LittleBigGamer]

You are also using a screenshot from a compressed YouTube video, at low resolution. Why not compare in game screen shots like the previous posts?

Because I don't know from were it came from. You gave the video and it looks a bit worse even if it was photomode. Again, stop this bs with compression. Make whatever compression you want in an uncharted image, it wont look that bad.

Either way the difference is huge in the overall model and big in the face.

idle gameplay (even the chest hair is moving)

face model capabilities

cut scene

And from an 1.8TF 250 dollars platform...
Insanely better in everything, way better the basic model and better regarding the face.
Not bad.

good night.
You put a laugh emoticon even before read it. lol.
See you in the next PS thread trying to downplay ps games
Hopefully I will see you next gen with a PS5.

 

[DoctaThompson]

Because I don't know from were it came from. You gave the video and it looks a bit worse even if it was photomode. Again, stop this bs with compression. Make whatever compression you want in an uncharted image, it wont look that bad.

Either way the difference is huge in the overall model and big in the face.

idle gameplay

face model capabilities

cut scene

And from an 1.8TF 250 dollars platform...
Insanely better in everything, way better the basic model and better regarding the face.
Not bad.

good night.

So now you wanna show animations, and not screen shots. Cool. Does that change the fact that Hellblade has better character models, yes or no? Will any amount of gifs change the fact that Hellblade >> Uncharted character models?? I highly doubt it, but you are free to change my mind or several others.

 

[Omega Supreme Holopsicon]

No, it's not. But let me ask you this. If this was a Microsoft game, would you have that same energy defending it? Look, I play both Sony and Microsoft games. I'm not biased here. You on the other hand... Well, we know where that goes.... I don't get the need to defend something so hard, that you resort to moving goal posts, yet still haven't proved anything?!?! That's insanity. And I only used one example, without mentioning other games.

I haven't moved goal posts I said uncharted cutscene models were better than any pc game models, and they are


The shading and animation is on another level. The only thing the pc hellblade has is sharper textures.

 

[LittleBigGamer]

So now you wanna show animations, and not screen shots. Cool. Does that change the fact that Hellblade has better character models, yes or no? Will any amount of gifs change the fact that Hellblade >> Uncharted character models?? I highly doubt it, but you are free to change my mind or several others.

The fact is that a 250 dollars platform has better graphics than hellblade in your 1000+ platform. Way better, insanely better in a 50 times vaster and bigger environment with actual gameplay and AI. And it has also better face model. Deal with it and stop destroy every console thread. Just buy the console.

You don't even put one idle image of the game. At best photomode. Bye.

 

[DoctaThompson]

I haven't moved goal posts I said uncharted cutscene models were better than any pc game models, and they are

The shading and animation is on another level. The only thing the pc has is sharper textures.

You still aren't showing in game, and Hellblade looks better in game. Why is that so hard to swallow for you??

The fact is that a 250 dollars platform has better graphics than hellblade in your 1000+ platform. Way better, insanely better. And it has also better face model. Deal with it and stop destroy every console thread. Just buy the console.

Funny thing is, hellblade on ps4 looks better than uncharted ps4. No one brought up PC, but YOU. I bet Horizon, Death Stranding, GoW, and Uncharted look much better on PC than PS4. But that doesn't take away from the fact that Hellblade>>> Uncharted character models.

 

[LittleBigGamer]

Funny thing is, hellblade on ps4 looks better than uncharted ps4. No one brought up PC, but YOU. I bet Horizon, Death Stranding, GoW, and Uncharted look much better on PC than PS4. But that doesn't take away from the fact that Hellblade>>> Uncharted character models.

hahaha you are just a troll. I am out.

You are trying hard in every console thread. I Know you feel bad. I can't even imagine, when TLOUS2 come out.

 

[DoctaThompson]

hahaha you are just a troll. I am out.

Lololol guess you couldn't prove anyone wrong here. And the best thing is to yeet out here as soon as possible. I don't blame you at all.

 

[Dacon]

I'm maybe in the minority but I feel like Uncharted 4's characters looked better than what I've seen in TLOU2.

Mostly from an art standpoint and not a technical level.

 

[Omega Supreme Holopsicon]

You still aren't showing in game, and Hellblade looks better in game. Why is that so hard to swallow for you??

hellblade pc has sharper textures, that's about it.

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200K polys for uncharted 4 chloe model.

The polygon counts are comparable. But the shading and animation is more complex in uncharted.

 

[Tripolygon]

Lololol guess you couldn't prove anyone wrong here. And the best thing is to yeet out here as soon as possible. I don't blame you at all.

Ok this has gone on long enough so lets just end this argument because it is pointless and going nowhere. These characters are almost identical in terms of triangles and vertex count.

Elana in Uncharted 4 has 139 thousand triangles and 80 thousand vertices.
Senua in Hellblade has 125 thousand triangles and 71 thousand vertices.

The dinorobo in Horizon has more than both combined. Lmao

 

[LittleBigGamer]

hellblade pc has sharper textures, that's about it.

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Original 3D model of Chloe from Uncharted 4Includes meshes in several formats including FBX, OBJ and DAEIncludes PBR textures with Normal and Specular mapsBrought to you by Rip Van Winkle, enjoy and check out my other items

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200K polys for uncharted 4 chloe model.

The polygon counts are comparable. But the shading and animation is more complex in uncharted.

And cloe is not even the main character lol.

Almost double the poly count and the comparison is with the 4rth 5th character of the game...

 

[RPS37]

All of these games look good.

 

[Neo_game]

Why not use facts instead of making yourself look foolish. First of all, Hellblade is IN GAME.

Proof?






I initially mentioned BOTH games are on PS4, so how am I being a fanboy, by comparing the two, and picking the superior character model? Think about that for a second. Point still remains that Hellblade >>> Uncharted character models.

That looks lifeless. I think there are many games that does better job than hellblade. But anyways there is no point in comparing character models or gfx screenshot, videos of every good looking game as they all are good.