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Is this real?Sadly.. yes
Is this real?Sadly.. yes
And Demon's Souls.There is literally just ONE game on Ps5 which is played ONLY on Ps5.
And that is Astro Playroom.
Demon Souls is on Ps3 and PS Now (Ps4 and PC)And Demon's Souls.
And Ratchet just around the corner.
But the important thing is that PS5 BC is just as good as XSX, or even better on some cases (check DF video). But Sony barely even mentioned it. Their marketing campaign is not based on BC being a thing, despite the fact that it is there
The BC on Ps5 isnt better at all... DF guys are just throwing around buzzwords to get more clicks and it gets annoying.And Demon's Souls.
And Ratchet just around the corner.
But the important thing is that PS5 BC is just as good as XSX, or even better on some cases (check DF video). But Sony barely even mentioned it. Their marketing campaign is not based on BC being a thing, despite the fact that it is there
Yup, well... They have nothing to offer, even for nostalgia they are the platform owner that has the least to offer, yet their message seems to get traction.
I find it bizarre that BC is such a talking point going in to new gen. We should be focusing on new games and new experiences. MS has done a good job changing the conversation to mask their barren launch line up.
That's largely been the case since we moved from carts. The previous consoles don't just die off, they're always supported for at least another year or 2, because they simply have more users. It would represent a cyclical contraction of the gaming industry if each new gen was supported more at its start than the previous one.Well it’s important this time, because the 95% of games next year will be exclusively in current gen.
the biggest ps5 game is a remake from 2 gens ago and MS is making it about old games?
Look, Microsoft are doing what they need to do - and lets not downplay how fantastic BC is as a concept on any console. You can argue about legacy catalogue all day long but the fact is if Nintendo or Sony had put the effort MS have into making as many of your old titles on their platform available, constantly, as possible you'd all be very excited about it. What MS has done is a really big deal as it will (and is) drag the others to the party rather than cynically commercialising access to your old games through virtual console purchases, season passes, microconsoles etc. So cut them some slack, they're doing something that's going to improve everyone's gaming options.
The bigger question here is why, going into a new generation, this is the focus. And it's simple: they launched too early - OR, more accurately, the games weren't ready. I think neither MS or Sony would have chosen to launch now, with the lineup they don't have, but their hand has been forced for a couple of reasons. 1) The other was launching. 2) It's coming up to holiday season. 3) Covid is creating unprecedented investment in home entertainment options from consumers.
Rather than hammer Microsoft or, god forbid, the sacred cow that is Sony - why not ask why so few games are ready on either platform? 343 have got criticism for the graphics of Halo but really they should be under scrutiny for badly phucking up the game build. Cyberpunk is pushed back again. The only launch titles on the PS5 are reskinned or glorified DLC and frankly that's not the generational step people should expect.
So; why aren't the games ready?
Plan and simple, the games and even the consoles were not ready peculiarly enough especially on Microsoft’s side. They purchased these companies back in 2018 to my knowledge and we still haven’t really seen anything from them near 2021. Sure, they can blame COVID, but that didn’t really start tampering with companies until early 2020. Some of these games like Halo:Infinite has been in development for years.
I feel that explains the huge focus on backwards compatibility, old games, features, etc and so few true next generation games available at launch unfortunately. I’m sure they will bounce back, but it’s kind of a disappointing way to start a new generation imho.
There is literally just ONE game on Ps5 which is played ONLY on Ps5.
And that is Astro Playroom.
I'm still playing that day one don't you worry broDon't hate the Snax, bro.
It's pretty obvious COVID fucked things up a lot for both of them, but MS sure had the worst damage because they were planning to launch XSX with just a huge GAAS like Halo: Infinite, even making its multiplayer ftp, but after the embarrassing showcase and the indefinite delay, now they have to promote something and are putting big emphasis on bc. As soon as they'll have something to show, bc will become the same as this gen, a feature that get nominated 4 times a year during financial briefing to say how much hours gamers spent using it and stop.
On Sony's side, at least Miles Morales and Demon's Souls look stellar and next gen, on top of Cyberpunk obviously.
I've been following video games since the SNES, and I have never seen this much focus on old games when a new generation is released. Microsoft was the first to announce specs for their new console and everybody will agree that it is a beast of a console. They even used the "Most Powerful Console" slogan which it was fitting. Suddenly, though, Microsoft did a 180º and started focusing on Backwards compatibility.
I'm not saying it's bad to have BC (although, I personally, don't care for it at all). However, ever since the PS2, there has never been focus about BC at all when a new console launches. PS2 has BC, but it was just a checkbox marked, but everyone was excited about all new possibilities of the new system even if they weren't shown at the time.
The PS3 made a bigger splash when it came to BC because Sony decided to remove it after the console released, so it was an unusual (but necessary for them to reduce cost). Ever since, BC has been "demanded" by gamers, and Microsoft seems to have taken this way too far.
Nobody has complained that a new console is out and there are no games taking advantage of them at launch. This have been the norm for many decades. We normally have to wait one year or so to start looking at games that truly take advantage of the new consoles. This time, though, Microsoft decided to focus on BC, and now, all the narrative about next gen is about lead-times and performance about OLD games running in the NEW system.
Are people really excited to play their old games? Like, I know and I understand it's convenient to be able to play an old game when you feel like it, or that you are able to get rid of your old console in order to buy the new one and still be able to play your games, but putting the focus on BC is very odd to me.
I was expecting conversations about how we would get great games in the future because of the monster specs that Xbox Series X has, or how Sony would be able to make new games with the power of the PS5. Yet, we only see how people get excited about a 5 year old game running at 60fps!
I don't think there ever was more than once sentence in describing BC in older systems. I haven't revisited the reviews, but I could bet it's the case for the PS2, Wii, PS3, GC (for the lack of it), etc. It used to be a "cool, you can still play your old games.... anyway!..."
Why is it that everyone is so focused on it right now? You could say that there are not enough new games at launch, but I think it has been the case every time, not just now. Every console release only have few games the first few months.
Also, not just media, but people in general. You could see comments about PS4 saying things like " A new God of War would look amazing on a PS4", but now the conversation is: "Wow, XSX loads this old game, 5 seconds faster (or viceversa)".
I hate this!! What happened to the excitement of things to come! What happened to visualizing the future and getting surprised about games being better than anything we would have expected?
Sorry for the mild rant. It's just that it's so weird to me seeing everyone focusing on the past instead of the future for the first time.
Like your first line contradicts your points and aligns with the OPs sentiments!why? yes it nice to have new games that look amazing and play smooth but is it a bad thing to have access to older games? i cant see any form of BC as being an issue, and also it will not hold back next gen....
There is not a single game that you can buy that is only on PS5 for this entire year. Demons Souls is also on PS3. Astro is more like a Tech Demo, you can’t even buy it.
Why does everyone act like PS5 has the best lineup in history? It clearly doesn’t.
Your blind the point is not to launch something new focused on the old if that’s the case I’d never by a new iPhone if the chipset was old and no new hardware features were thereHere's the thing though. BC is just a bonus. We're still gonna get great games on both consoles in the near future. So I don't see what the problem is?
Here's the thing though. BC is just a bonus. We're still gonna get great games on both consoles in the near future. So I don't see what the problem is?
Your blind the point is not to launch something new focused on the old if that’s the case I’d never by a new iPhone if the chipset was old and no new hardware features were there
They work way better on new hardware and usually get updated frequently unlike with androidYet iphone user end up using the same apps they have for years on the new hardware...
No it’ll be a new experience example for me was Days GoneIs a game old if you've never played it?
Nobody has complained that a new console is out and there are no games taking advantage of them at launch. This have been the norm for many decades. We normally have to wait one year or so to start looking at games that truly take advantage of the new consoles. This time, though, Microsoft decided to focus on BC, and now, all the narrative about next gen is about lead-times and performance about OLD games running in the NEW system.
It's obvious that MS had the media on their pockets ever since Spencer took over and started paying left and right influencers,astroturfers,sites,streamers and everyone they could possibly get in order to change their image without actually showing anything worth mentioning in terms of exclusives besides a few exceptions from tired franchises like Forza and Gears.Microsoft has a marketing budget for this launch... where do you think those millions of dollars in marketing budget and the human resources, that brain power w/ the talking points are all going into? BC and old games..... cause that's what they got to work with. That budget is not getting postmarked and saved for future use. Those within MS's marketing department have a job to do and are getting paid handsomely to sell you the Xbox Series S/X and Gamepass. So those within MS's marketing dept will do their jobs and sell you those products and services with what they got (BC and old games). Clearly good at it considering the lack of ammo from the top.
Content creators and media feed off Microsoft's marketing and reflect that on their reporting. And below that, the gamers, the sheep if you will, feed off the influencers, the media, as well as Microsoft marketing dept - reflecting the same commentary and topic themes.
What is the media gonna talk about for months on end? "Hey look MS's launch line up is dogshit. Sony FTW?" In passing they're gonna mention it like they did on reviews but come tomorrow they'll need new clicks for that ad revenue.....so where is the juicy controversy at to drive clicks? Old game comparisons and BC face-offs.
IGN/Influencers/DF... they are all-in on the console war. They feed of it, and ultimately put food on their tables cause of it. Just look at IGN's roadmap of next-gen coverage. It's all about face-offs. DF, the same soon enough... influencers.... same.
Every time I see comments that "console wars have no winners" and all that other nonsense. What world are you living in? Device competition as Phil likes to put it drives this industry. To sit on a pedestal of virtue and bitch on fans reflecting what they're fed is hypocrisy of the highest order.... not to mention disingenuous naivety.
It's not a surprise that in a match up between two contenders (Sony and MS) where one player (MS) is handicapped and completely out of contention on next-gen exclusives results in the conversation eventually eroding to the place where competition is actually alive..... to the topics that can be resold over and over .... to draw interest and activity - and that's BC and Old Games. Otherwise what you get is a first round knockout and that's anti-climatic and not good for business. We've been seeing this for quite some time now.... it has been a slow process since Phil took over and shat the bed for 6 years straight and now looking at Year 7 and 8.
I've been harping about this being a wrong precedent for the industry. Mismanagement and failure being glossed over and accepted as a new normal. What Phil and crew lack in management skills they make up for it with their sheepherding skills by throwing money around, applying good marketing strategies, and talking like politicians. Their hardcore fans merely reflect what's fed from the top. It's what it's. The gaming media unfortunately don't help one bit trying to make a landing pad for a MS crash landing. But then again it's business for them, not personal - I understand that. Doesn't mean it's not shit.
It's obvious that MS had the media on their pockets ever since Spencer took over and started paying left and right influencers,sites,streamers and everyone they could in order to change their image without actually showing anything worth mentioning in terms of exclusives besides a few exceptions from tired franchises like Forza and Gears.
I will only ask you one thing:
Can you imagine what would have happened if it was the other way around and the only thing Sony offered (for 6 years now) was backwards compatibility? lol
The media and "journalists" would have EATEN THEM ALIVE. Even now in a year when Sony has given us games like TLOU2,Ghost of Tsushima and Demon's Souls (not even going to mention 3rd party timed exclusives like FFVIIR),as well as having a console launch amidst a pandemic and the media are still on their necks bitching about Sony not giving them enough information about the PS5 early enough, for Dualsense not being compatible with PS4, for raising the prices of games (as if Sony is the only one who does that lol) or that BC games or for not being able to store PS5 games to an external HD (oh noes we will have so many games on day 1 how we will be able to store them!!1!)
MS can afford to take their time and offer you hot air and no one dare say anything about it. Sony can not afford to do that and they know it.
Id argue people build the best PCs mostly so that they can play new games. The fact that they can run old games at higher FPS/resolution is an added bonus and just 1 part of the reason to upgrade (as OP has been saying), but the biggest reason to upgrade is so that you can enjoy the new experiences coming up. I stopped buying new games for over a year because my R9 280x was just incapable of playing new games at 60fps low settings anymore. Ever since I upgraded I have been able to actually enjoy new games like Death Stranding, FH4, etc. This is the same reason to buy a console.Console players dont seem to understand
A lot of times people build the biggest baddest PCs just to play old games. It's about expanding the range of what you can play. Its 2020, and not everything has to be the hottest new new.
Xbox focusing on older games males their brand appeal to me more. Older games interest me. I just dropped a cool 50 on 360 games recently.
Their sales figures are gonna make the idea that they would wait to launch seem kinds silly honestly.Look, Microsoft are doing what they need to do - and lets not downplay how fantastic BC is as a concept on any console. You can argue about legacy catalogue all day long but the fact is if Nintendo or Sony had put the effort MS have into making as many of your old titles on their platform available, constantly, as possible you'd all be very excited about it. What MS has done is a really big deal as it will (and is) drag the others to the party rather than cynically commercialising access to your old games through virtual console purchases, season passes, microconsoles etc. So cut them some slack, they're doing something that's going to improve everyone's gaming options.
The bigger question here is why, going into a new generation, this is the focus. And it's simple: they launched too early - OR, more accurately, the games weren't ready. I think neither MS or Sony would have chosen to launch now, with the lineup they don't have, but their hand has been forced for a couple of reasons. 1) The other was launching. 2) It's coming up to holiday season. 3) Covid is creating unprecedented investment in home entertainment options from consumers.
Rather than hammer Microsoft or, god forbid, the sacred cow that is Sony - why not ask why so few games are ready on either platform? 343 have got criticism for the graphics of Halo but really they should be under scrutiny for badly phucking up the game build. Cyberpunk is pushed back again. The only launch titles on the PS5 are reskinned or glorified DLC and frankly that's not the generational step people should expect.
So; why aren't the games ready?
No, you will enjoy only the ps5 because this is the one I will get down the line.I say this as someone who's bought both consoles and will enjoy both consoles.
Gears 5s update is basically the same level or a bigger update than miles morales is.