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Microsoft has dragged next-gen conversation into old games
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Damigos
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And Demon's Souls.
And Ratchet just around the corner.
But the important thing is that PS5 BC is just as good as XSX, or even better on some cases (check DF video). But Sony barely even mentioned it. Their marketing campaign is not based on BC being a thing, despite the fact that it is there
prinz_valium
Member
Demon Souls is on Ps3 and PS Now (Ps4 and PC)
Ratchet doesn't even has a release date yet.
Series X|S has The Medium, but the game isn't out either yet.
They're are just no other games out yet.
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II_JumPeR_I
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The BC on Ps5 isnt better at all... DF guys are just throwing around buzzwords to get more clicks and it gets annoying.
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
MastaKiiLA
Member
Sony and MS are clearly just playing to their strengths. Sony has more next-gen games available for the PS5, so they're pushing heavily on that front. MS does not, so they're pushing heavily on the BC capabilities. Play to your strengths. The narratives on enthusiast forums don't reflect the real world. I'm not certain expectations of next-gen system has changed among casuals from what they were in previous refreshes.
That's largely been the case since we moved from carts. The previous consoles don't just die off, they're always supported for at least another year or 2, because they simply have more users. It would represent a cyclical contraction of the gaming industry if each new gen was supported more at its start than the previous one.
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NeoIkaruGAF
Gold Member
I think it's time we go past the "generation" rhetoric and just enjoy the chance of being able to play older games with better performance. PC users have been enjoying this for a long time and they always touted this as a plus.
Spending an entire generation sighing "If only this game ran better..." and then dismissing the option of BC with improved performance because "who would want to play this?" makes no sense imo. So... how is showing better performance with old games a bad thing?
Spending an entire generation sighing "If only this game ran better..." and then dismissing the option of BC with improved performance because "who would want to play this?" makes no sense imo. So... how is showing better performance with old games a bad thing?
CircleOfFire
Member
Yes! As I've said previously as well for many of the denizens of this fine establishment it's treated as astonishingly important but 99% of console players will probably never use it.
Fitzchiv
Member
Look, Microsoft are doing what they need to do - and lets not downplay how fantastic BC is as a concept on any console. You can argue about legacy catalogue all day long but the fact is if Nintendo or Sony had put the effort MS have into making as many of your old titles on their platform available, constantly, as possible you'd all be very excited about it. What MS has done is a really big deal as it will (and is) drag the others to the party rather than cynically commercialising access to your old games through virtual console purchases, season passes, microconsoles etc. So cut them some slack, they're doing something that's going to improve everyone's gaming options.
The bigger question here is why, going into a new generation, this is the focus. And it's simple: they launched too early - OR, more accurately, the games weren't ready. I think neither MS or Sony would have chosen to launch now, with the lineup they don't have, but their hand has been forced for a couple of reasons. 1) The other was launching. 2) It's coming up to holiday season. 3) Covid is creating unprecedented investment in home entertainment options from consumers.
Rather than hammer Microsoft or, god forbid, the sacred cow that is Sony - why not ask why so few games are ready on either platform? 343 have got criticism for the graphics of Halo but really they should be under scrutiny for badly phucking up the game build. Cyberpunk is pushed back again. The only launch titles on the PS5 are reskinned or glorified DLC and frankly that's not the generational step people should expect.
So; why aren't the games ready?
The bigger question here is why, going into a new generation, this is the focus. And it's simple: they launched too early - OR, more accurately, the games weren't ready. I think neither MS or Sony would have chosen to launch now, with the lineup they don't have, but their hand has been forced for a couple of reasons. 1) The other was launching. 2) It's coming up to holiday season. 3) Covid is creating unprecedented investment in home entertainment options from consumers.
Rather than hammer Microsoft or, god forbid, the sacred cow that is Sony - why not ask why so few games are ready on either platform? 343 have got criticism for the graphics of Halo but really they should be under scrutiny for badly phucking up the game build. Cyberpunk is pushed back again. The only launch titles on the PS5 are reskinned or glorified DLC and frankly that's not the generational step people should expect.
So; why aren't the games ready?
Rhazer Fusion
Member
While there is truth to what you said, it’s only one game though. Demon’s Souls is a remaster from the ground up seemingly taking advantage of PS5’s hardware, not the old PS3 game upscaled to 1080p in 60fps with faster loading times that seems to be all the rage now.
Rhazer Fusion
Member
Plan and simple, the games and even the consoles were not ready peculiarly enough especially on Microsoft’s side. They purchased these companies back in 2018 to my knowledge and we still haven’t really seen anything from them near 2021. Sure, they can blame COVID, but that didn’t really start tampering with companies until early 2020. Some of these games like Halo:Infinite has been in development for years.
I feel that explains the huge focus on backwards compatibility, old games, features, etc and so few true next generation games available at launch unfortunately. I’m sure they will bounce back, but it’s kind of a disappointing way to start a new generation imho.
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Fitzchiv
Member
Exactly, if I'm MS or even Sony I'm pretty pissed off that the studios didn't come through.
Bittermich
Banned
There is not a single game that you can buy that is only on PS5 for this entire year. Demons Souls is also on PS3. Astro is more like a Tech Demo, you can’t even buy it.
Why does everyone act like PS5 has the best lineup in history? It clearly doesn’t.
DonJorginho
Banned
Kikorin
Member
It's pretty obvious COVID fucked things up a lot for both of them, but MS sure had the worst damage because they were planning to launch XSX with just a huge GAAS like Halo: Infinite, even making its multiplayer ftp, but after the embarrassing showcase and the indefinite delay, now they have to promote something and are putting big emphasis on bc. As soon as they'll have something to show, bc will become the same as this gen, a feature that get nominated 4 times a year during financial briefing to say how much hours gamers spent using it and stop.
Warnen
Don't pass gaas, it is your Destiny!
while I agree somewhat no gen has done backwards compact like MS is doing now. Instantly making old games better has been a pc thing never on consoles. Closest was boost modes in the mid gen upgrade but that’s it.
Some of the most fun things to do when you upgrade your pc is going back and enjoying old favs with better performance. Doing that on console now is going to be great.
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HeadsUp7Up
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Generally I wouldn’t care too much about BC but the current generation has some nice games that I think will really hold up for a few years. I was a PlayStation only guy for a long time and when I got a One X I actually used BC a lot more than I thought I would. I missed out on some games and it was nice getting to play them with modern features. Ditto for what’s about to happen with the new generation of consoles.
If you’ve ever had a gaming PC think of it in terms of a new gaming rig update all in one box. All your old stuff gets upgrades automatically and new experiences are right around the corner when developers catch up and learn to maximize the new hardware.
If you’ve ever had a gaming PC think of it in terms of a new gaming rig update all in one box. All your old stuff gets upgrades automatically and new experiences are right around the corner when developers catch up and learn to maximize the new hardware.
massivekettle
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Demon’ Souls is a remake, Miles Morales is a cross-gen expansion, and Cyberpunk is on XSX. You were saying?
Mr. PlayStation
Member
I honestly don’t think you can blame Microsoft here for dragging the next gen conversation to old games. It’s just clever marketing on their part. Press and media were free to criticize it but they chose not to. It is what it is, don’t blame MS.
Lol why get so worked up over this? Just bc Xbox does BC better you need to get so mad lmao. I guess this is what no ps1/2/3 BC does to a MF
Thirty7ven
Banned
Only ones they are convincing are fanboys and “content creators” that would suck a dick for the kind of access MS gives them.
This whole BC talk has a short lifespan, and their base will have to work really hard to defend the drought they are about to get served.
And content creators won’t be able to keep milking BC either... because nobody wants to spend the next two years talking about old games.
This whole BC talk has a short lifespan, and their base will have to work really hard to defend the drought they are about to get served.
And content creators won’t be able to keep milking BC either... because nobody wants to spend the next two years talking about old games.
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Smoke6
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Like your first line contradicts your points and aligns with the OPs sentiments!
I dunno but you just don’t spend $500 to play games that already play and look great on the system you purchased it on in the first place is my way of thinking!
so if MS had some real good exclusives at launch like maybe 2 games, that would benefit me as I decided to jump for what I wanted in that system in launch plus the bonus of still playing what I haven’t gotten around to on my previous console!
the point people are saying that there’s nothing to jump in for at that price tag is all
danielJackson
Banned
"for this entire year" You know there is not even 2 months left of this year
Saying that demons souls is also on PS3 is technically true, but how many have played it? How many still play on PS3? It is irrelevant and completely different thing than talking about current gen games on next gen.
If astro isnt a game because we cant buy it, then all game pass games arent games, because they are rental? right?
All free to play games arent games because we cant buy em? see how fucking stupid that sounds
It is real game that also shows new technical aspects of the system, xbox doesnt need it as it is more the same as current gen + ssd.
Funny how people are digging deeply to diminish PS5 launch.
There is differences between:
BC + best looking 2 gen old remake + next gen exclusive (astro) + next gen enchanted games (spiderman + whatever is coming soon)
vs.
BC + nothing really next gen like anytime soon
EliTheIceMan
Member
Your blind the point is not to launch something new focused on the old if that’s the case I’d never by a new iPhone if the chipset was old and no new hardware features were there
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Gold Member
Le warrior gland in the brain getting stressed to overdrive as the new systems near. Common symptom of the fannius-boyius.
Warnen
Don't pass gaas, it is your Destiny!
Yet iphone user end up using the same apps they have for years on the new hardware...
EliTheIceMan
Member
They work way better on new hardware and usually get updated frequently unlike with android
EliTheIceMan
Member
No it’ll be a new experience example for me was Days Gone
Knitted Knight
Banned
Microsoft has a marketing budget for this launch... where do you think those millions of dollars in marketing budget and the human resources, that brain power w/ the talking points are all going into? BC and old games..... cause that's what they got to work with. That budget is not getting postmarked and saved for future use. Those within MS's marketing department have a job to do and are getting paid handsomely to sell you the Xbox Series S/X and Gamepass. So those within MS's marketing dept will do their jobs and sell you those products and services with what they got (BC and old games). Clearly good at it considering the lack of ammo from the top.
Content creators and media feed off Microsoft's marketing and reflect that on their reporting. And below that, the gamers, the sheep if you will, feed off the influencers, the media, as well as Microsoft marketing dept - reflecting the same commentary and topic themes.
What is the media gonna talk about for months on end? "Hey look MS's launch line up is dogshit. Sony FTW?" In passing they're gonna mention it like they did on reviews but come tomorrow they'll need new clicks for that ad revenue.....so where is the juicy controversy at to drive clicks? Old game comparisons and BC face-offs.
IGN/Influencers/DF... they are all-in on the console war. They feed off it, and ultimately put food on their tables cause of it. Just look at IGN's roadmap of next-gen coverage. It's all about face-offs. DF, the same soon enough... influencers.... same.
Every time I see comments that "console wars have no winners" and all that other nonsense. What world are you living in? Device competition as Phil likes to call it drives this industry. To sit on a pedestal of virtue and bitch on fans reflecting what they're fed from the top is hypocrisy of the highest order.... not to mention disingenuous naivety.
It's not a surprise that in a match up between two contenders (Sony and MS) where one player (MS) is handicapped and completely out of contention on next-gen exclusives results in the conversation eventually eroding to the place where competition is actually alive..... to the topics that can be resold over and over .... what draws interest creates activity - and that's BC and Old Games. Otherwise what you get is a first round knockout and that's anti-climatic and not good for business. We have been seeing this for quite some time now.... it has been a slow process since Phil took over and shat the bed for 6 years straight and now looking at Year 7 and 8.
I've been harping about this being a wrong precedent for the industry. Mismanagement and failure being glossed over and accepted as a new normal. What Phil and crew lack in management skills they make up for it with their sheep herding skills by throwing money around, applying good marketing strategies, and talking like politicians. Their hardcore fans merely reflect what's fed from the top. It's what it's. Unfortunately the gaming media don't help one bit trying to make a landing pad for a MS crash landing. But then again it's business for them, not personal - I understand that. Doesn't mean it's not shit.
Content creators and media feed off Microsoft's marketing and reflect that on their reporting. And below that, the gamers, the sheep if you will, feed off the influencers, the media, as well as Microsoft marketing dept - reflecting the same commentary and topic themes.
What is the media gonna talk about for months on end? "Hey look MS's launch line up is dogshit. Sony FTW?" In passing they're gonna mention it like they did on reviews but come tomorrow they'll need new clicks for that ad revenue.....so where is the juicy controversy at to drive clicks? Old game comparisons and BC face-offs.
IGN/Influencers/DF... they are all-in on the console war. They feed off it, and ultimately put food on their tables cause of it. Just look at IGN's roadmap of next-gen coverage. It's all about face-offs. DF, the same soon enough... influencers.... same.
Every time I see comments that "console wars have no winners" and all that other nonsense. What world are you living in? Device competition as Phil likes to call it drives this industry. To sit on a pedestal of virtue and bitch on fans reflecting what they're fed from the top is hypocrisy of the highest order.... not to mention disingenuous naivety.
It's not a surprise that in a match up between two contenders (Sony and MS) where one player (MS) is handicapped and completely out of contention on next-gen exclusives results in the conversation eventually eroding to the place where competition is actually alive..... to the topics that can be resold over and over .... what draws interest creates activity - and that's BC and Old Games. Otherwise what you get is a first round knockout and that's anti-climatic and not good for business. We have been seeing this for quite some time now.... it has been a slow process since Phil took over and shat the bed for 6 years straight and now looking at Year 7 and 8.
I've been harping about this being a wrong precedent for the industry. Mismanagement and failure being glossed over and accepted as a new normal. What Phil and crew lack in management skills they make up for it with their sheep herding skills by throwing money around, applying good marketing strategies, and talking like politicians. Their hardcore fans merely reflect what's fed from the top. It's what it's. Unfortunately the gaming media don't help one bit trying to make a landing pad for a MS crash landing. But then again it's business for them, not personal - I understand that. Doesn't mean it's not shit.
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Vol5
Member
I wouldn't usually care, but some of the upgrades to games I haven't played yet, like Ghosts and games I never completed, like Sekiro, have been given a new lease of life. This isn't like PS2 - PS1 compatibility, or PS3 - PS2/PS1. A lot of games have been transformed completely with smoother framerates and (marginally) increased resolution.
AntonioBanderasXsX
Member
And this is bad how? I still play games as far back as MS DOS
Torrent of Pork
Banned
These threads are always odd to me, as if people don't enjoy 4k remasters of their favorite films from yesteryear. Like I'm expected to keep a VHS tape player on hand everytime I want to watch 'The Thing' on some worn out tape from the 90's in 480p.
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'Generations' are redundant for the most part. All that matters is great games and playing them with your friends (especially in these times of lockdown) what the Xbox is allowing me to do is play a library of nearly 400 games with my (real life) Friends on various devices at an unprecedented monthly price point.
If you're into playing single player, 3rd person action 'Next gen only' games on your Billy Todd; then the Xbox ecosystem is clearly not for you.
If you're into playing single player, 3rd person action 'Next gen only' games on your Billy Todd; then the Xbox ecosystem is clearly not for you.
sublimit
Banned
It's obvious that MS had the media on their pockets ever since Spencer took over and started paying left and right influencers,astroturfers,sites,streamers and everyone they could possibly get in order to change their image without actually showing anything worth mentioning in terms of exclusives besides a few exceptions from tired franchises like Forza and Gears.
I will only ask you one thing:
Can you imagine what would have happened if it was the other way around and the only thing Sony offered (for 6 years now) was backwards compatibility? lol
The media and "journalists" would have EATEN THEM ALIVE. Even now in a year when Sony has given us games like TLOU2,Ghost of Tsushima and Demon's Souls (not even going to mention 3rd party timed exclusives like FFVIIR),as well as having a console launch amidst a pandemic and the media are still on their necks bitching about Sony not giving them enough information about the PS5 early enough, for Dualsense not being compatible with PS4, for raising the prices of games (as if Sony is the only one who does that lol) or that BC games or for not being able to store PS5 games to an external HD (oh noes we will have so many games on day 1 how we will be able to store them!!1!)
MS can afford to take their time and offer you hot air and no one dare say anything about it. Sony can not afford to do that and they know it.
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Knitted Knight
Banned
They always called their Xbox One policies that tried to screw gamers left and right a perception management problem.... meaning a PR issue, to be solved with guess what? PR work in the media, marketing etc. Their goal is still the same long term. Subscription with no ownership. They just repackage it in different ways (Gamepass) until they hit the form factor that consumers are willing to swallow it as.
Homecooking for homegrown giants. Yes, they're more favorable to the local player. If you think about it, it's worse in Asia. Happens everywhere. People like to act like it doesn't exist, play the plausible deniability card etc and grandstand on their arguments.. but this is standard.
And Yes I already know... I remember the PS3 era very well. Europe was the firewall and it is still their firewall. Sony got smoked in NA, and the English speaking media helped tremendously with that. That's not to say Sony didn't shoot itself on the foot multiple times but there wasn't a concerted media effort to create a landing pad (damage control, actively promote etc) for Sony's hard crash landing. They crashed in NA super hard.
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Id argue people build the best PCs mostly so that they can play new games. The fact that they can run old games at higher FPS/resolution is an added bonus and just 1 part of the reason to upgrade (as OP has been saying), but the biggest reason to upgrade is so that you can enjoy the new experiences coming up. I stopped buying new games for over a year because my R9 280x was just incapable of playing new games at 60fps low settings anymore. Ever since I upgraded I have been able to actually enjoy new games like Death Stranding, FH4, etc. This is the same reason to buy a console.
Their sales figures are gonna make the idea that they would wait to launch seem kinds silly honestly.
Theres still 3rd party and bc games to play. Sales will justify the decision.
The games are clearly being delayed by the covid situation but, fingers crossed, that's gonna end soon.
EverydayBeast
thinks Halo Infinite is a new graphical benchmark
Why is it backwards compatibility is so important now when the N64 launch nobody thought “this should also play nes, snes games!”, that being said this is music to backwards compatibility gamers.
anothertech
Member
Ppl comparing demon souls to demon souls remake are beyond fanboys.
alabtrosMyster
Banned
No, you will enjoy only the ps5 because this is the one I will get down the line.
basic_element
Member
Why do you compare a NEW cross gen game vs an old game released 1.5 years ago? If Microsoft released a new Gears of War that was cross gen even if it was more of an expansion, I would give them credit. The fact is they have no NEW games is what people are criticizing.
namekuseijin
Banned
it's all old
same old gta V, demon's souls, assassin's creed, etc
flat gaming is repeating itself ad nauseum
same old gta V, demon's souls, assassin's creed, etc
flat gaming is repeating itself ad nauseum