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[NullZ3r0]

The concept of "old games" is a stupid one based on years of brainwashing from console manufacturers to get you to buy "the next big thing." Games are games. If I can stream old movies on Netflix or Amazon, I should be able to play old games.

Thanks to Xbox One backwards compatibility, I was able to play the entire Fable trilogy which I wasn't able to do the previous gen because I was too poor.

 

[oagboghi2]

Neither system has any games that are system sellers. XBX has nothing, while Sony has a remake and a cross gen game as their big launch titles. BC is a big thing for at least a year or year and a half. After that then we'll see what both systems have to offer.

Yeah, people keep saying that, but the PS5 is coming out next week and it's going to sell the fuck out, so how it has no system sellers is beyond me.

 

[Jimmyisback]

I think lots of people are just surprised at how fast the Xbox Series ssd are given how much talk and hype the PS5 ssd has had over the past year or so. It definitely surprised me. I think when next gen games launch Xbox is gonna surprised even more just how fast it is with loading those games

 

[SpongebobSquaredance]

It's not about living in the past, it's about the convenience of moving your library and not having to buy remasters just because you have the urgency to play a blast from the past. Instead of having 20 systems plugged in at all times you just have one that plays anything. That is the general idea. It's very good for the customer too.

Now OP, imagine Steam for example would be generational like consoles are (I know PCs aren't like that, just act like it for the sake of argument) and each and every generation you would loose your entire libary of perhaps hundrets of games because they are not compatible to the latest generation. Only way keep them is to keep the old PC with the old version of Steam.
Wouldn't you feel kinda robbed and cheated?
Wouldn't it be completely unnecessary and inefficient?


There is a reason why PS5 and Xbox SX will be BC. It is important, no matter how much some people in here act like it isnt.

 

[oagboghi2]

How is the switch proof that nobody cares about backwards compatibility?

Backwards compatibility, or a lack of, isn't harming it with consumers.


Because no one cares.

I think lots of people are just surprised at how fast the Xbox Series ssd are given how much talk and hype the PS5 ssd has had over the past year or so. It definitely surprised me. I think when next gen games launch Xbox is gonna surprised even more just how fast it is with loading those games

 

[oagboghi2]

It's not about living in the past, it's about the convenience of moving your library and not having to buy remasters just because you have the urgency to play a blast from the past. Instead of having 20 systems plugged in at all times you just have one that plays anything. That is the general idea. It's very good for the customer too.

Now OP, imagine Steam for example would be generational like consoles are (I know PCs aren't like that, just act like it for the sake of argument) and each and every generation you would loose your entire libary of perhaps hundrets of games because they are not compatable to the latest generation. Only way keep them is to keep the old PC with the old version of Steam.
Wouldn't you feel kinda robbed and cheated?
Wouldn't it be completely unnecessary and inefficient?


There is a reason why PS5 and Xbox SX will be BC. It is important, no matter how much some people in here act like it isnt.

The OP isn't saying the BC isn't useful.

 

[THEAP99]

Sadly.. yes

 

[Desudzer10]

Yeah, people keep saying that, but the PS5 is coming out next week and it's going to sell the fuck out, so how it has no system sellers is beyond me.

Because everybody wants the new consoles and Sony already has the biggest fanbase. Plus a remake of Demon Souls is better than nothing. But it's not like the xbox isn't sold out either.

 

[SpongebobSquaredance]

Backwards compatibility, or a lack of, isn't harming it with consumers.


Because no one cares.

The Switch being BC is kinda a hard thing to do given it is the successor to the Wii U, which btw. was 100% BC to the Wii. If Nintendo continues this route with the Switch you can mark my words: Switch 2 will be BC.

The OP isn't saying the BC isn't useful.

Then what he is talking about?

 

[diffusionx]

It's because that is all MS has. Spiderman MM, even being a relatively modest quasi-sequel, shows what you can get with new hardware and a new platform, MS can't even give us that, it sucks.

 

[hybrid_birth]

See the thing i ghlh doubt sny of them will match sony first party sibgle player games, with gsmepass heavy focus the games will be mp based.

You may be right. You may be wrong. In time we will find out. I am a playstation, nintendo, and Xbox gamer. I love Sony single player games. But More competition the better.

At the very least we know elder scrolls will be single player. And hopefully hellblade 2.

 

[junguler]

i'm not a console gamer but you have to admit it's pretty cool how series s/x can play games from xbox, x360 and x1, one box to play 4 generations of games is a pretty big deal.

 

[ReBurn]

False, Google it, they said they prefer long single player experiences that retain their value overtime, not lots of mp games that takes 30min to find a match

People need to understand that ms has a different plan from sony, their plan is to shove gamepass into everyone's throat, be it on pc, xbox, smartphones, smart tvs and so on....

Doesn't matter if the ps5 outsells xbox 2:1, if they manage to increase gp count, it's a win

Microsoft's plan is not about shoving gamepass down everyone's throat. It's about changing the way that people pay for and consume video games. Other forms of media have moved to successful subscription models where you pay a flat fee and you consume as much of what's available on the subscription as you want. That's the primary way most forms of digital entertainment content are delivered now. The bet is that video games can work that way, too. Lots of companies would prefer a stable recurring revenue stream to hoping that their game does well enough to pay for itself and keep the lights on while they make the next one.

As much complaining as there has been about $70 games and shorter experiences (like Miles Morales delivering 8 hours of gameplay for $50) it's clear that some people are open to an alternative to the current pricing and delivery model. Lots of people are waiting a year or more to buy games to get better value. And some developers have come out and said they made more money via gamepass than they expected they would through traditional store listings. I think people are going to have to get used to the idea that the industry is changing and services like this are going to be a big part of it.

 

[GhostOfTsu]

I agree with the OP so much. You can't read a Series X thread without people going crazy for Gears 5 or Ori. Gears 5 came out over a year ago and barely anyone talked about it. No hype at all.

I was able to find the game for 12$ and I couldn't even resell it for 20$. The dvd is coaster since it's on Gamepass.

I'm playing the PC version on Ultra with the ultra textures installed and I can barely tell the difference with the One X version.

You won't be impressed by the Series X version people. Calm down.

i'm not a console gamer but you have to admit it's pretty cool how series s/x can play games from xbox, x360 and x1, one box to play 4 generations of games is a pretty big deal.

No, if there is a PC version of any of those old games then you're playing a downgraded version. I would never waste my time playing an inferior version years later on BC.

 

[oagboghi2]

Because everybody wants the new consoles and Sony already has the biggest fanbase. Plus a remake of Demon Souls is better than nothing. But it's not like the xbox isn't sold out either.

So it has a system seller

And Xbox has a system seller.

No one is buying their machines without games.

Well maybe Xbox, but you can argue their services are their "system sellers"

 

[Krisprolls]

The narrative will quickly switch to next gen games. But yes it's a shame releasing a console with zero next gen exclusive, because you don't have much to get excited about.

That's actually why XSX reviews were so average : the power is probably here, but there's nothing to really use it on.

A reviewer called the console boring and I can see where he comes from. If you bring no next gen exclusive, with no next gen feature on the controller, and the same UI than before, it's hard to get excited. You don't buy hardware to replay the same games you already played multiple times.

Let's hope at least multiplatform next gen games will make people excited on XSX. The best hope right now is on Cyberpunk.

On Sony's side, at least Miles Morales and Demon's Souls look stellar and next gen, on top of Cyberpunk obviously. And features like Haptics, triggers and Tempest. Not in the same league, hence the more stellar reviews.

 

[JORMBO]

Launch lineup is pretty weak across both systems so there is more BC talk.

 

[iamvin22]

Here's the thing though. BC is just a bonus. We're still gonna get great games on both consoles in the near future. So I don't see what the problem is?

"great games" isn't a promise. So stop thinking it's a given.

 

[cyber_ninja]

the biggest ps5 game is a remake from 2 gens ago and MS is making it about old games?

Because it looks like a proper next gen game.

 

[ReBurn]

Backwards compatibility, or a lack of, isn't harming it with consumers.


Because no one cares.

Switch has backward compatibility for NES and SNES through the virtual console with their online service. So you're wrong there.

They're also porting their Wii U library forward and releasing collections of their old games and people are buying them because, no surprise, people want to play those old games.

You seem to think that because you don't care nobody cares.

People are buying the new consoles because they are new consoles. They were sold out before all of this back compat talk kicked up like it has. The preorders were gone before anyone saw anything about it. Now people see them as a better value because they get to keep their old games. Only a fool would see that as a negative.

 

[Flintty]

I find it bizarre that BC is such a talking point going in to new gen. We should be focusing on new games and new experiences. MS has done a good job changing the conversation to mask their barren launch line up.

It’s a talking point because it has never been done to this level before on Xbox or PlayStation. It’s a big change for the industry and whilst not everyone will be interested, there’s definitely a customer base for it.

The new games and experiences will follow.

 

[The Leaked Truths]

I absolute appreciate and applaude what Microsoft is trying to archive with their Games!

Gamers spend thousands and thousands of Dollars in their Digital Game Library over the years and are now still able to play them on the XBox Series X. And on top of that the games have improved thanks to Microsoft, faster load times, Auto HDR, higher Resolutions and Framerates.

In the first Console Generations like the Super Nintendo, NES, and even something like this was unthinkable, you always had to rebuild your game library from the ground up beginning with every new generation and all your games lost their value and meaning.

But Microsoft ended this with the XBox Series X, from now on you will be able to play all your games you have purchased with your hard earned money until the end of your life, all your games will be never lost, or will loose his value or meaning.

Now imagine being upset about this, that a Company actually cares and respect your Digital Games Library!!!

 

[Azurro]

Well, Microsoft doesn't have a next generation to sell you, not really, they are interested in selling you gamepass, that's why their new console is just like an upgrading your graphics card: neat and a nice boost in performance, but won't mean much for another two years.

 

[ReBurn]

"great games" isn't a promise. So stop thinking it's a given.

It's not like companies are going to set out to make bad games. It's a safe bet that there will be great games in the future.

 

[oagboghi2]

The Switch being BC is kinda a hard thing to do given it is the successor to the Wii U, which btw. was 100% BC to the Wii. If Nintendo continues this route with the Switch you can mark my words: Switch 2 will be BC.

And that's great for Nintendo in the future, it will be a checkbox marked. However it doesn't do anything for the switch today, now does it.

People hear it can't play Wii/wiiu games and they don't give a shit. BC is not a dealbreaker

Then what he is talking about?

Maybe... read his post?

However, ever since the PS2, there has never been focus about BC at all when a new console launches. PS2 has BC, but it was just a checkbox marked, but everyone was excited about all new possibilities of the new system even if they weren't shown at the time.

He is obviously talking about how the conversation regarding next gen has shifted almost totally to how well you can old games. Something that was barely mentioned before, and has never mattered to consumers, is now all anyone talks about because Halo Infinite was delayed.

No one is saying BC should not exist

 

[Great Hair]

Backward compatibility is ‘backwards’ thinking, says Microsoft’s Don Mattrick

The Xbox One’s lack of backward compatibility doesn’t just result from hardware differences with the Xbox 360 — it’s because Microsoft doesn’t believe many players would use it, said Don Mattrick...

www.polygon.com

Ever since he left, it was a major topic.

A complete useless feature in my book. Why would i wanna replay God of War (PS2) on a PS5? when i can play said game with raytracing on the PC?

If old games got a few newer effects, general improvements? Sure why not, but i´m not buying new hardware just to play 20 year old game stretched to 1080p or worse 4K. Auto HDR ain´t enough.

 

[Grinchy]

Just be glad that, if you're getting a PS5, backwards compatibility is some extra icing on the cake and not the entire launch.

 

[Flintty]

No one honestly cares about backwards compatibility, and if you need any proof, look at the Switch.

This is only a talking point because of MS, and will only remain a talking point until exclusive XSX content starts coming out. It's pathetic.

Are you living under a rock? You couldn’t be any more out of touch with reality. Sorry. Just look at the thread about PS5 BC and you’ll see how the tone has changed since MS first announced X1 BC with 360 games a few years ago, when GAF declared ‘nobody wants to play old games’.

 

[Javthusiast]

All we have are the usual AssCreeds, Cods, sports games and 1 PS5 next gen exclusive game to talk about. Cyberpunk isn‘t out till december.

Obviously everybody is going to concentrate on BC right now and how well those games perform on both systems. Next week it‘s about AssCreed reviews etc.

 

[Desudzer10]

So it has a system seller

And Xbox has a system seller.

No one is buying their machines without games.

Well maybe Xbox, but you can argue their services are their "system sellers"

The system sellers are the systems. Has nothing to do with any launch title.

 

[teezzy]

Console players dont seem to understand

A lot of times people build the biggest baddest PCs just to play old games. It's about expanding the range of what you can play. Its 2020, and not everything has to be the hottest new new.

Xbox focusing on older games males their brand appeal to me more. Older games interest me. I just dropped a cool 50 on 360 games recently.

 

[MrFunSocks]

BC has never meaningfully improved previous generation games like the Series X/S do though. It’s a huge selling point to a lot of us because some of our favourite games of all time are on the previous generations, and now we can play them better than anyone ever dreamed you could, and can play them closer to the developers original vision. That game that could barely hold 25fps is now giving us locked 30 or even 60. That game with horrible AF and screen tearing on 50% of the frames now has HDR, 16x AF, and zero screen tearing. It’s incredible.

what you and many other people are overlooking is that BC hasn’t taken anything away from the console. It’s still getting all the next gen games.The BC guys aren’t the guys working on games. If there’s one thing that Ms should be getting absolute universal praise for, it’s their mind blowing commitment to BC.

FYI on my new $2k gaming PC the majority of my game time is spent on games that would be considered BC.

 

[Flintty]

The system sellers are the systems. Has nothing to do with any launch title.

Yup. Speaking purely from an Xbox view point, the only launch title I ever really cared about was Halo on OG Xbox. Everything else after has just been filler. We all know the best games usually come later.

 

[SpongebobSquaredance]

He is obviously talking about how the conversation regarding next gen has shifted almost totally to how well you can old games. Something that was barely mentioned before, and has never mattered to consumers, is now all anyone talks about because Halo Infinite was delayed.

well..
then..

such a weird thing to talk about. And to be honest, just because there is more talk about BC then ever before doesn't mean that no one is anticipating next gen titles. What is this topic even about? lol sounds like complete rambling, just because some are happy they can keep their games and get some improvements along the way. such a nothingburger.
at the very least it does prove that people in fact do give a shit about BC, otherwise there would be no discussion.

People hear it can't play Wii/wiiu games and they don't give a shit. BC is not a dealbreaker

it will be if the Switch 2 won't be BC.

 

[Vasto]

The current gen games are just better than what has been shown for next gen.

 

[RCU005]

Now imagine being upset about this, that a Company actually cares and respect your Digital Games Library!!!

Like I said in the OP, I don't really care for BC, but I do admit that it's truly remarkable that Microsoft is doing this, and it started something that will have to become the norm going forward. I don't think anyone would accept the following gen to not have BC with PS4/XBO and PS5/XSX.

With that said, my issue with this, is NOT that they are doing it, which I know it's great! it's about becoming the MAIN point when talking about next gen consoles. BC had never been something anyone would focus on when talking/showing next gen consoles.

 

[Jigga]

My era once a new system came out the older system was banished to the closet or funcoland. If I’m still putting in 40 hours in old games. The current gen must suck. More power to y’all that love BC but man it’s not for me

 

[quickwhips]

It's nice to play all those games looking great the enter dev mode and play more ps2 and nintendo games on xbox series x .

 

[Danjin44]

Why does it matter? In NeoGAF people barely talk about games, they mostly talking about graphics and tech behind games. It feels like this place is for people who want to become 3D graphic designers rather than a place for gamers who want to talk about games.

 

[DrAspirino]

As an xbox one x owner i kinda agree with series X feeling like a gpu upgrade instead of a new console.

This entire new generation is just an X86 upgrade, so....

 

[The Leaked Truths]

Like I said in the OP, I don't really care for BC, but I do admit that it's truly remarkable that Microsoft is doing this, and it started something that will have to become the norm going forward. I don't think anyone would accept the following gen to not have BC with PS4/XBO and PS5/XSX.

With that said, my issue with this, is NOT that they are doing it, which I know it's great! it's about becoming the MAIN point when talking about next gen consoles. BC had never been something anyone would focus on when talking/showing next gen consoles.

Because of the Pandemic caused alot of problems for all game developers around the world, launch games like Halo: Infinite had sadly be delayed because of that like probably other projects who are in the works.

We live in special times, I'm sure Microsoft would have been happy like all XBox Fans if they had at least one big blockbuster like Halo: Infinite for the launch of the XBox Series X.

That's why BC is at least now in the foreground for Microsoft. Which by the way is not a bad thing!

But I agree, if at least Halo: Infinite were ready at launch I would have really liked that too

But I do not blame Microsoft for that, I blame the Corona Virus!

 

[Bungie]

There's still games I need to play & haven't gotten a chance to, that's the case for many many people, Xbox is setting a standard with BC, when I get around to trying out those games, it's going to be right where all the other current gen ones are. That's personally something going forward that I no longer have to worry about now because I was busying playing X, Y or Z. Make's me stay happily invested to Microsoft going forward. Let's be real, there's very few good launch titles that actually stick. I can mostly careless about what's coming out "soon" (other than Cyberpunk). There's so many good games out already, that deserve just as much love.

Release dates don't define a game, especially if you never played it.

 

[MrFunSocks]

Like I said in the OP, I don't really care for BC, but I do admit that it's truly remarkable that Microsoft is doing this, and it started something that will have to become the norm going forward. I don't think anyone would accept the following gen to not have BC with PS4/XBO and PS5/XSX.

With that said, my issue with this, is NOT that they are doing it, which I know it's great! it's about becoming the MAIN point when talking about next gen consoles. BC had never been something anyone would focus on when talking/showing next gen consoles.

Do you think that the next gen consoles aren’t going to play next gen games? Of course they can, so they don’t need to keep telling you it can. I’ll never understand this need for people to get continual ongoing confirmation of obvious things.

What they are doing is focusing on the things that are unique to their console. Why do you think they also focused on quick resume and external HDD support with quick transfer back and forth to internal storage? Because they knew Sony didn’t have it. They know they have Sony beat on BC so like any good company they’re pushing it.

 

[junguler]

No, if there is a PC version of any of those old games then you're playing a downgraded version. I would never waste my time playing an inferior version years later on BC.

but there are a ton of console exclusives that never came to pc. sure, if it's on pc, play it on pc but many games are not.

 

[ReBurn]

Because of the Pandemic caused alot of problems for all game developers around the world, launch games like Halo: Infinite had sadly be delayed because of that like probably other projects who are in the works.

We live in special times, I'm sure Microsoft would have been happy like all XBox Fans if they had at least one big blockbuster like Halo: Infinite for the launch of the XBox Series X.

That's why BC is at least now in the foreground for Microsoft. Which by the way is not a bad thing!

But I agree, if at least Halo: Infinite were ready at launch I would have really liked that too

But I do not blame Microsoft for that, I blame the Corona Virus!

Microsoft has purchased enough studios that they should have had multiple games in the hopper for system launch. Coronavirus could be a reason but it's not THE reason they don't have new games ready.

 

[TonyK]

I'm not saying it's bad to have BC (although, I personally, don't care for it at all).

That's the reason you've created the thread. If you cared for BC you were happy for consoles focusing in BC at last.

 

[MrFunSocks]

Microsoft has purchased enough studios that they should have had multiple games in the hopper for system launch. Coronavirus could be a reason but it's not THE reason they don't have new games ready.

The majority of their studios were not purchased long enough ago to have made a next gen exclusive launch game. They all released games recently, or are still working on the games they were when they were purchased.

 

[Bungie]

Microsoft has purchased enough studios that they should have had multiple games in the hopper for system launch. Coronavirus could be a reason but it's not THE reason they don't have new games ready.

The REASON is Microsoft is letting their studio developers develop games at their own pace mostly. Phil stated that. Once these game's start rolling out, the exclusive release flow may even seem endless with all these studios but all these studios just got acquired like what 2 or 3 years ago? Alot of them recently released multiple games within this year or last. Just look at obsidian & rare for example.
I'm sure the Xbox team could have held back some of these games for next gen but that would just be pointless considering the BC & their vision going forward.

 

[ReBurn]

The majority of their studios were not purchased long enough ago to have made a next gen exclusive launch game. They all released games recently, or are still working on the games they were when they were purchased.

Then it sounds like, to some degree, there was a lack of coordination and prioritization leading up to launch. It's important to have software support for the new kit. Their development priorities obviously didn't align with their console launch. They really should have had something ready that shows off what the box can really do.

 

[Fbh]

I think people are turning launch into a way bigger drama than it really is. These machines are intended to last for 6-7 years, as long as there's some fun stuff to play at launch and cool shit announced for later on who really cares about launch?.

A year or two from now no one will give a shit about all of this, same as how in 2015 no one gave a shit that the PS4 and Xb1 had a terrible first year. We were hyped to play the Witcher 3 and Bloodborne and Halo 5 and Arkham Knight and MGSV, etc.

Xbox is focusing on backwards compatibility because due to bad luck, or COVID , or incompetence (or something else...or all of them) they don't have much else at launch. Right now it's also the topic of the week because the embargo on these machines just got lifted and we are finally getting details we have been wondering about for months. Why wouldn't it be what everyone is talking right now when we just got a big info dump about all of this?

It's not like backwards compatibility is everything we have been talking about for months. There's been plenty of talk about new games, new tech, new engines ,etc.

Anyway, ease up, It's just a console launch.
Give it some months or hell, even a year. When Horizon 2, Halo Infinite, God of War Ragnarok, Avowed, Elden Ring, Tales of Arise, That Harry Potter Game, Final Fantasy XVI, RE8, etc are either out or closer I can guarantee you the main topic of conversation isn't going to be how The Division 2 runs in backwards compatibility mode.