I agree, and I thought only Clank reflections were raytraced. Overall it is a nice looking game, and there is definitely a downgrade from the E3 presentation and some lighting adjustments... the world-hopping is really the "next gen" feature for me. However, if they are cinematics then I'll be greatly saddened.
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Here is Why Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart is a True Next-gen Game
Bo_Hazem
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I actually can't see that in the images, looks like a cubemap.
The fur looks great but I am also not sure it casts any shadow. Does it? Maybe I am wrong but it seems like the images can show different fur normals lighting differently with no shadows.
Yeah. Awesome particles and so many!
This could be A LOT of fun (also super expensive to produce)
Yay! Even more particles. No deformaton though, destruction for sure
looks very cool, definitely no infinite draw distance but models, objects and everything does seem to have a lot of detail in the distance.
I am sure they can fix some lod popping bugs like some parts of the train.
Yeah really good models everywhere!
Ah, I could not check that yet
Pedro Motta
Member
What about that subsurface scattering / translucency on that pink alien to the left?
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Bo_Hazem
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Thanks for saying this.
Bo_Hazem hyperbole does a disservice to the amazing graphics of R&C
I find quite amusing the talk about audio because in this video it's just the same thing as done in so many other games. It's like saying 4K details are amazing when watching a video on a 1080p smartphone screen.
Not sure what you're trying to say, but here this is a helpful post with cropped photos:
I still wish we had realtime 3D water simulation instead of sprite based water splashes :-/
What it was on the PS4 PRO
It still looks great!
And I'm sorry if you can't hear it, blame the tools you have, and your smartphone while at it. Those screenshots are meant to bring what you can't see in a 1080p screen, as you can zoom in. But hey, people say 4K is overrated, but hate to break it to you, 8K is much better than 4K as well.
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Bo_Hazem
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He said that when people questioned him going on a surface level on Halo while doing 800% on PS5 games. So he said I'm too tired to make deep analysis.
He seems very energetic with it's possible to downplay PS5.
MacReady13
Member
Without having a huge amount to excited over for next gen so far, this is BY FAR my most anticipated game for next gen. I have always loved the R & C games and this is looking like the best yet! It's games like this that make gen gen an easy decision for me to purchase a PS5.
Bo_Hazem
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What about that subsurface scattering / translucency on that pink alien to the left?
Man, I should update the OP with other amazing findings by fellow posters! Starting with this!
GymWolf
Member
The only thing i know is that i posted 3 screens of the ps4 version in the trailer topic making it look like it was the ps5 version and nobody called me out...i even received 4-5 likes (pag 7), it make you think a little...
Not saying that the game doens't have anything nextgen because it's not true, all the warp dimensional stuff is cool to look at it but both ratchet and spidey on ps4 looks already so absurdly good that the jump for me is not that big, and it's not a matter of diminishing returns, we have a shitload of examples of far better graphics both in movies and gaming tech demos.
Horizon 2 is what showed the biggest (but still perfectly realistic) generation jump for now, if we don't count stuff like HB2 and some other in engine tech demo here and there.
(pag 7), it make you think a little...Not saying that the game doens't have anything nextgen because it's not true, all the warp dimensional stuff is cool to look at it but both ratchet and spidey on ps4 looks already so absurdly good that the jump for me is not that big, and it's not a matter of diminishing returns, we have a shitload of examples of far better graphics both in movies and gaming tech demos.
Horizon 2 is what showed the biggest (but still perfectly realistic) generation jump for now, if we don't count stuff like HB2 and some other in engine tech demo here and there.
itsjustJEFF
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Screenshots look good, but I don't think I've every been completely impressed by screenshots. I think most games look best when they are seen as they are meant to be played, in motion. In motion this game looks fantastic. I know people love breaking down screenshots, but I've never seen the point. I don't play a game in stills. In motion I can't tell you if that reflection on Clanks head is RT or Cube Map, like I don't even know how you can tell the difference. I mean would you even be able to see that difference in motion while you're playing it or watching the video? I guess I don't know enough to be disappointed My eye's tell me it looks good. I might just be SIMP!
My eye's tell me it looks good. I might just be SIMP!
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GymWolf
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I have to say, This is the most impressive screenshot for now, it didn't looked that good in the trailer.Actually it's more than what we can handle! Those are from a extremely compressed video, this is the direct feed from PS5:
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Bo_Hazem
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The only thing i know is that i posted 3 screens of the ps4 version in the trailer topic making it look like it was the ps5 version and nobody called me out...i even received 4-5 likes
Not saying that the game doens't have anything nextgen because it's not true, all the warp dimensional stuff is cool to look at it but both ratchet and spidey on ps4 looks already so absurdly good that the jump for me is not that big, and it's not a matter of diminishing returns, we have a shitload of examples of far better graphics both in movies and gaming tech demos.
Horizon 2 is what showed the biggest (but still perfectly realistic) generation jump for now, if we don't count stuff like HB2 and some other in engine tech demo here and there.
Not that people viewing the forum on 4K TV's and monitors, most of them are usually using cellphones and 1080p-1440p monitors, you can spot them on even 1080p monitors but people tend to not police every post as it might be screenshots from a cellphone. The difference is staggering.
Thirty7ven
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The direct feed video on my Bravia is pristine. It looks like an animated movie, each frame with so much movement... And on top of how it looks now it will have HDR, so we still have that to look forward!
Insomniac have outdone themselves.
Insomniac have outdone themselves.
GymWolf
Member
dude...if i post a screen of infamous 2 and infamous 3 you can see the staggering difference even on a monochrome casio calculator...
you have a point, but let's be honest here...
the game looks great but it's not like mindblowing.
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Bo_Hazem
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This is direct feed from PS5 console. When sent to your TV, it depends on how your TV will process it. It's always slightly lesser than the actual image sent from the system, the better the TV, the better the final image you get. It's actually pretty close to the trailer. To give you perspective, the clip is 820MB for like 7 minutes. It should be at least 5-9GB without compression. I upload 4K videos being like 2.5GB (compressed already), they end up being compressed further to 500-600MB.
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GHG
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Bo_Hazem
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Of course, the jump from previous gens is much bigger, but you need a 4K screen to appreciate the jump.
GymWolf
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i watch everything on my panasonic 4k oled.
and it's not a matter of diminishing returns...pixar modern movies or even stuff like love-death-robot on netflix are a couple of gen away from a ps5, it's still early for diminishing returns talk and when people are gonna look at tlou3 or gow 2 this narrative is gonna be even more silly than it is now.
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Bo_Hazem
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People were praising that cup game (cuphead?) on Xbox, and it's cartoony. You don't study engineering while playing games, you blow the steam and enjoy your time to ease up the stress from your hard work day
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Bo_Hazem
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Now you're talking. I'm using my older LCD 4K HDR Sony X700D. Probably getting X900H next.
8K with PS5 Pro.
onesvenus
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What I'm trying to say is that those reflections could still be done via cubemaps the same way racing games have been doing other cars reflections. What you should be looking for are self-reflections but I can't see any of those
Bo_Hazem
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You mean something like this:
Did we say this is all what next gen will offer? No, this is the first batch of next gen games, they'll do better going forward, as always. Either that or stick to current gen/crossgen, it's your call.
MasterCornholio
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bender
What time is it?
How old are you? You still play video games? Virgin???
Bo_Hazem
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You mean Into the Nexus?
Rift Apart looks much better than that in my opinion.
888
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You mean Into the Nexus?
Rift Apart looks much better than that in my opinion.
I was kidding but yeah the new one looks great but the series in general has always had an amazing art style that really holds up well.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
What about that subsurface scattering / translucency on that pink alien to the left?
Yeah.....how's the lighting "bad" in this game? Just look at this picture.
S0ULZB0URNE
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XSX and PC am cry.Let's jump straight to the 4K screenshots I've made from the video! Put in mind that the video itself is heavily compressed, but I made PNG screenshots to preserve as much details as possible:
Raytraced reflections:
Looking into this screenshot, you can clearly see Ratchet's raytraced reflection on Clank. The red bulb on Clank's head is also reflective on his own body on other frames.
And here is another shot showing the fine reflections on Clank's body/head:
Mirror reflection on that portal and reflections of all things on the shiny floor.
High-quality, raytraced shadows:
You can spot that every hair has its own high-quality shadow:
Even during gameplay, look at the tail fur:
High-quality particles:
Just look at the liquid splash and other particles that can be extremely crowded in some parts of the demo without noticeable penalty in performance.
Extremely fast and dynamic transitions:
Powered by state-of-the-art SSD customization and assisted by extensively detailed I/O.
Dynamic, high-quality damage deformation:
Some objects like the concrete blocks, you can see how different the damage model is and how they dynamically get broken eventually. Look at the side concrete blocks, you can see here even interactive particles of this lightning gun:
Look at the detailed damage and all the debris around:
And here they've been broken:
Infinite draw distance without aliasing:
Whether it's close or far all the way to the outer planets/moons, everything looks insanely sharp as if it's been pulled off directly from a Hollywood CGI movie. Geometry Engines help achieving that without a performance penalty, drawing what's needed to be drawn on screen per frame budget of polygons. Look at the wood texture!
High polygon-count models:
Near-CGI level that made many observers skeptical at first, but it's pretty clear that it will only get better as this latest demo was a refined version of the first one. Due to Geometry Engines and in updated game engines that take advantage of them, no more LOD's that add more wasteful size to game size.
True 3D Audio:
The sound quality is insane in that gameplay demo, use a headset to enjoy it. Many particles create their own sound, like the bullet shells for example. With all the chaos it can be overwhelming, just like in real life, but would be wonderful to spot secret treasures using True 3D Audio as some games tend to make unique sound effects for collectives. It would appreciated in calmer situations when every sound is noticeable.
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Hope you enjoyed reading.
Download the 822MB video from here, thanks to @dr guildo :
EDIT: More details found and helpful posts by other posters, thanfully:
MasterCornholio
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The art style has always been good and does indeed look very similar to what they used in Into the Nexus. But the game looks leagues better than that one.
I struggle with sarcasm alot. Sorry about that.
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Bo_Hazem
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Yup, they feel somehow similar in a way like most games and their sequels, if you mean gameplay-wise and art style.
You can always have a room in your heart for a PS5.
onesvenus
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I was talking about the images you posted concluding there's raytracing. It's obvious it's there but I don't think those images serve your purpose well, that's all. Wether reflections on Clank are Raytraced or not, the game looks amazingYou mean something like this:
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
PS is my main.Yup, they feel somehow similar in a way like most games and their sequels, if you mean gameplay-wise and art style.
You can always have a room in your heart for a PS5.
I am saying they are crying at it's visual superiority.
MasterCornholio
Member
Maybe all it needs is a drop in resolution?
Alot of those features will be rendered at a lower resolution so they can still do them. Like instead of doing 4K Ray Traced reflections they can drop it to a lower resolution and still have them.
EverydayBeast
thinks Halo Infinite is a new graphical benchmark
SONY’s #1 spot next gen is secured because of games like Ratchet
Bo_Hazem
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That what you get when you point all your effort into the top end tech and leave aging tech behind.
IbelieveInGenerations
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S0ULZB0URNE
Member
With a Japanese parent company overlooking everythingThat what you get when you point all your effort into the top end tech and leave aging tech behind.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
They know much better than me, and can produce much, much better than this, but they choose not.
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Richard sux in more than one way. That bias bitch.
BlueXImpulse
Banned
One day I will get to the bottom of if this is CGI or not. Mark my words
IbelieveInGenerations
Banned
Actually it's more than what we can handle! Those are from a extremely compressed video, this is the direct feed from PS5:
This is shot is Far beyond anything when It comes to game graphics.
FS2020 Just looks alright compared to this.
PS: throwing the bait
VFXVeteran
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There is no ray-traced shadows. And that's not fur. Present to my thread for discussion. If you guys want to make any game that comes out with RT be a next-gen game, then we got a lot of PC games that are already next-gen.
www.neogaf.com
|OT|Next-gen Graphics Qualifications
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Walter Matthau
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What's your expectation for next gen visuals?
VFXVeteran
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|OT|Next-gen Graphics Qualifications
All: This thread is a pure TECHNICAL thread that allows members to discuss a game's graphics and how it meets the qualifications of considering it having next-gen visuals. It is NOT a thread of a subjective nature. Coming in here and trying to push saying, "this game has next-gen visuals...
Bo_Hazem
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As mentioned earlier, it's hard to understand when you're not viewing the content in its native resolution, 4K. So screenshots of the actual footage can be easily appreciated even by cellphone as you can zoom in. Of course, it gives an idea, but you need to be viewing it in a proper 4K TV. It's an insanely good looking game with insane draw distance!
FS2020 is good for what it's meant to: Make amateur pilots get used to planes from their safe room.
There is no ray-traced shadows. And that's not fur. Present to my thread for discussion. If you guys want to make any game that comes out with RT be a next-gen game, then we got a lot of PC games that are already next-gen.
|OT|Next-gen Graphics Qualifications
All: This thread is a pure TECHNICAL thread that allows members to discuss a game's graphics and how it meets the qualifications of considering it having next-gen visuals. It is NOT a thread of a subjective nature. Coming in here and trying to push saying, "this game has next-gen visuals...
