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Gran Turismo 6 • Coming on PS3 Holiday 2013

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Sethos

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Sorry if this has been asked, any word on menu speed optimizations? I loved GT5 but I just couldn't deal with the menus. Messing around with Photo Mode was a massive chore due to the speed.
 
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SolidSnakex

Member
Sethos said:
Sorry if this has been asked, any word on menu speed optimizations? I loved GT5 but I just couldn't deal with the menus. Messing around with Photo Mode was a massive chore due to the speed.
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It's one of the areas of improvements that they're focusing on

New User Interface
• Balancing directional key operation and touch operation
• Quick response
• Shortening of loading times
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Kaz also had this to say

When asked what he most wanted to improve in GT6, his answer is immediate and surprisingly blunt: "The overall response of the game. I realised that, no matter how rich the content is, unless that part of it is very smooth and stress-free, it just ruins it."
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http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-05-17-gran-turismo-6-preview-the-turning-point
 
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Louis Cyphre

Banned
When asked what he most wanted to improve in GT6, his answer is immediate and surprisingly blunt: "The overall response of the game. I realised that, no matter how rich the content is, unless that part of it is very smooth and stress-free, it just ruins it."

I hope they can do it but part of me feels it would have been better to delay it for the PS4 instead.
 
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Wax Free Vanilla

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SolidSnakex said:
Jordan has more



http://www.gtplanet.net/gran-turismo-6-gameplay-footage-and-hands-on-impressions/
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Excellent!

THE:MILKMAN said:
Why do these guys look sad? :(

And are these pics taken at KW HQ or do PD have all this suspension tech at their new offices?
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KW HQ

In 2006, a state-of-the art 7-post drive dynamics test stand has been put into operation at the KW automotive GmbH headquarters in Fichtenberg. This test stand can simulate different race track conditions. There are only 15 such hydraulic test stands available around the world and most of them are used by Formula 1 teams for their research and development measures.

The KW automotive GmbH also uses this innovative test opportunity for the developing new suspensions and optimising suspension set-ups. Moreover, the suspension expert offers all interested racing teams and commercial partners the possibility, to carry out future vehicle adjustments with the help of its 7-post drive dynamics test stand at its test centre in Fichtenberg.

For the teams this enormously saves both costs and time, as all vehicle-relevant race track characteristics can be simulated with this test stand without exposing the car to unnecessary wear. This technology offers the company KW unprecedented test opportunities for applications in the automobile industry and in motor sports.
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Niks

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Im so glad that it seems Kaz is concentrating on the aspects of car behavior for GT6. For me thats the meat of the game.
Hopefully the tire model update will be as significant as the suspension model we now see.

Also, another thing of praise is that PD is using GT academy not just as a commercial and marketing tool, but as a learning tool to improve the game. The driver input the winners are be giving to PD must be invaluable.
 
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seattle6418

Member
Niks said:
Im so glad that it seems Kaz is concentrating on the aspects of car behavior for GT6. For me thats the meat of the game.
Hopefully the tire model update will be as significant as the suspension model we now see.

Also, another thing of praise is that PD is using GT academy not just as a commercial and marketing tool, but as a learning tool to improve the game. The driver input the winners are be giving to PD must be invaluable.
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That's great, they need good players and drivers telling them what needs to change and why.

Also, that Nurb footage, holy shit! Great news that the Audi R8 LMS is a new car for us. (that version).

Why was that video posted? I know the real 24hs of Nurb is going on at the moment, but... how did they get the footage? There's more?
 
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SolidSnakex

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seattle6418 said:
Why was that video posted? I know the real 24hs of Nurb is going on at the moment, but... how did they get the footage? There's more?
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They're apparently showing footage during the live broadcast while drivers tell you how they make it through a section. The person that uploaded it said that there will be more footage tomorrow.
 
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1-D_FTW

Member
Perkel said:
1. We will know it by looking at GT6 physic model because it looks like it is improved a lot.
2. That is not simply true. All racing sims are trying to recreate reality. They are using advanced physic models to achieve that and that physic models are not created upon art but on solid science.

Sim racing will never be real thing but it can very very very closely recreate what is possible in real life and that is why F1 drivers use advanced simulators to hone their skill offtrack. Those simulators are not cheap.
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I wasn't talking about GT specifically, just the comment that every single one of those games would all feel the same by the time GT 7 rolls around. Which is optimistic. And although science is obviously behind it, there is a ton of art to it. Which is why all the major sims have different quirks (even though they're all striving for the same fixed point). I've seen interviews with all the major heads and they all state the same thing. So I'll take their opinion over yours. They're all still striving for it, but it's not difficult to find out why. Even with a high quality rig, you're still missing a ton of real world feedback. Feedback that needs to somehow be addressed in the artificial world of sim racing (although maybe they will all feel the same in a couple years if being played on motion rigs).
 
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SolidSnakex

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PD finally updated their site with sales data

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Mobius 1

Member
I've been watching the Nurburgring 24h and it amazes me that some of the TV camera takes are almost carbon copies of the takes from GT5.

I wonder who influenced who.


Ah no news of the Kazunori-Mobile.
 
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Paladin CL

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Those sales of the last 3 games are completely underserved, it actually make me mad because theres other very good racing games failling, for example PGR4, Shift series, Split/second.

GT5: not a bad game at all, its a good game but flawed, 10 millions is crazy.
GT5p: Too much for the price vs contents
GT PSP: this one just pissed me off, this is downright a bad game, the only bad one in the series and it sold more than most other racing games in the market, its a dumbed down port without career mode or customization.

Its for things like these that dont have games like Toca, Enthusia, Shift (and probably PGR) anymore.
 
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Emwitus

Member
Paladin CL said:
Those sales of the last 3 games are completely underserved, it actually make me mad because theres other very good racing games failling, for example PGR4, Shift series, Split/second.

GT5: not a bad game at all, its a good game but flawed, 10 millions is crazy.
GT5p: Too much for the price vs contents
GT PSP: this one just pissed me off, this is downright a bad game, the only bad one in the series and it sold more than most other racing games in the market, its a dumbed down port without career mode or customization.

Its for things like these that dont have games like Toca, Enthusia, Shift (and probably PGR) anymore.
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nib95

Banned
Paladin CL said:
Those sales of the last 3 games are completely underserved, it actually make me mad because theres other very good racing games failling, for example PGR4, Shift series, Split/second.

GT5: not a bad game at all, its a good game but flawed, 10 millions is crazy.
GT5p: Too much for the price vs contents
GT PSP: this one just pissed me off, this is downright a bad game, the only bad one in the series and it sold more than most other racing games in the market, its a dumbed down port without career mode or customization.

Its for things like these that dont have games like Toca, Enthusia, Shift (and probably PGR) anymore.
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Speak for yourself. To me GT5 is the best racer this gen. It's flawed, there's no doubt about that, but as far as console driving accuracy, variety, presentation and overall content goes, it's largely unmatched. Forza obviously comes close, but falls behind in physics accuracy and diversity.

I must add, I have played and enjoyed all the racers you mentioned and many more, but imo they don't hold up. Not to mention most are arcade racers that aren't really comparable. They're fun over the top exaggerated spectacles, without nearly as much depth or sophistication imo.
 
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Gestault

Member
Paladin CL said:
Those sales of the last 3 games are completely underserved, it actually make me mad because theres other very good racing games failling, for example PGR4, Shift series, Split/second.

GT5: not a bad game at all, its a good game but flawed, 10 millions is crazy.
GT5p: Too much for the price vs contents
GT PSP: this one just pissed me off, this is downright a bad game, the only bad one in the series and it sold more than most other racing games in the market, its a dumbed down port without career mode or customization.

Its for things like these that dont have games like Toca, Enthusia, Shift (and probably PGR) anymore.
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In spite of some real shortcomings, GT PSP is legitimately the best portable semi-realistic racing game I've ever played.
 
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sunnz

Member
Paladin CL said:
Those sales of the last 3 games are completely underserved, it actually make me mad because theres other very good racing games failling, for example PGR4, Shift series, Split/second.

GT5: not a bad game at all, its a good game but flawed, 10 millions is crazy.
GT5p: Too much for the price vs contents
GT PSP: this one just pissed me off, this is downright a bad game, the only bad one in the series and it sold more than most other racing games in the market, its a dumbed down port without career mode or customization.

Its for things like these that dont have games like Toca, Enthusia, Shift (and probably PGR) anymore.
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Yes GT5 has issues in terms of standard cars and not the best menu but it still had very good car physics ( even for the standard cars), A TONNE of content ( from cars, tracks, modes like nascar, features like weather, night etc) and has more content than any other racer typically has by a lot.

Not forgetting one of the better looking games this gen ( premium cars) too.

It is still VERY fun to play even with some of its issues.


I don't think COD deservers even a 1/4 of sales it gets, but people obviously like it and in that sense deserves it.
 
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patsu

Member
Paladin CL said:
Those sales of the last 3 games are completely underserved, it actually make me mad because theres other very good racing games failling, for example PGR4, Shift series, Split/second.

GT5: not a bad game at all, its a good game but flawed, 10 millions is crazy.
GT5p: Too much for the price vs contents
GT PSP: this one just pissed me off, this is downright a bad game, the only bad one in the series and it sold more than most other racing games in the market, its a dumbed down port without career mode or customization.

Its for things like these that dont have games like Toca, Enthusia, Shift (and probably PGR) anymore.
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Are you comparing GT PSP with other PSP racing games ? Or PS3 racing games ?
 
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Dead Man

Member
Paladin CL said:
Those sales of the last 3 games are completely underserved, it actually make me mad because theres other very good racing games failling, for example PGR4, Shift series, Split/second.

GT5: not a bad game at all, its a good game but flawed, 10 millions is crazy.
GT5p: Too much for the price vs contents
GT PSP: this one just pissed me off, this is downright a bad game, the only bad one in the series and it sold more than most other racing games in the market, its a dumbed down port without career mode or customization.

Its for things like these that dont have games like Toca, Enthusia, Shift (and probably PGR) anymore.
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I'm the first to rag on GT, but really, there has been no other game in it's style for ages now on consoles, except Forza. Simlite, massive car list, track racing? Yeah, so many of them...

Gouda Jouji said:
It's just Gran Turismo 4's track list without the night time circuits. And Valencia from Tourist Trophy, I guess.
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It's just all the best tracks from GT minus 1 or 2 in other words. The GT4 tracklist was the best it has been in the whole mainline series.
 
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Evolution_1ne

Banned
Paladin CL said:
Those sales of the last 3 games are completely underserved, it actually make me mad because theres other very good racing games failling, for example PGR4, Shift series, Split/second.

GT5: not a bad game at all, its a good game but flawed, 10 millions is crazy.
GT5p: Too much for the price vs contents
GT PSP: this one just pissed me off, this is downright a bad game, the only bad one in the series and it sold more than most other racing games in the market, its a dumbed down port without career mode or customization.

Its for things like these that dont have games like Toca, Enthusia, Shift (and probably PGR) anymore.
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GTP_Daverytimes

GTP_Daverytimes

Member
Paladin CL said:
Those sales of the last 3 games are completely underserved, it actually make me mad because theres other very good racing games failling, for example PGR4, Shift series, Split/second.

GT5: not a bad game at all, its a good game but flawed, 10 millions is crazy.
GT5p: Too much for the price vs contents
GT PSP: this one just pissed me off, this is downright a bad game, the only bad one in the series and it sold more than most other racing games in the market, its a dumbed down port without career mode or customization.

Its for things like these that dont have games like Toca, Enthusia, Shift (and probably PGR) anymore.
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You fucking had to mention this two, when you said PGR4 i was like "oh he on the right track" and you had to completely fuck that up by mentioning those two games.

Gouda Jouji said:
It's just Gran Turismo 4's track list without the night time circuits. And Valencia from Tourist Trophy, I guess.
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GT4 tracklist is one of the best in the mainline series, that's why GTPSP tracklist is so "godly".
 
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MrCookiepants

Member
Shift was terrible lol

nib95 said:
Speak for yourself. To me GT5 is the best racer this gen. It's flawed, there's no doubt about that, but as far as console driving accuracy, variety, presentation and overall content goes, it's largely unmatched. Forza obviously comes close, but falls behind in physics accuracy and diversity.

I must add, I have played and enjoyed all the racers you mentioned and many more, but imo they don't hold up. Not to mention most are arcade racers that aren't really comparable. They're fun over the top exaggerated spectacles, without nearly as much depth or sophistication imo.
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At the time GT5 physics were unmatched, but Turn 10 made huge improvements with Forza 4. All I know is GT5 is much harder to drive with all the assists off, but does that make it more realistic?
 
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scandisk_

Unconfirmed Member
If they can't get the sound right, at least gimme the actual feeling of driving behind the wheel. The camera feels too stiff IMO (cockpit). Every bump and shaking of the car should translate to the camera.
 
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Paladin CL

Member
Gestault said:
In spite of some real shortcomings, GT PSP is legitimately the best portable semi-realistic racing game I've ever played.
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How about Toca 2006 for psp?

From what i remember it had 8 or 12 cars in track, good AI, decent car selection, great track selection, damage, a career mode. Far better than GT PSP.

And guys, please read what I said, i didnt said any of those was a bad game (except for GT PSP), what I just said is that GT5 (a good flawed game) doesnt deserve 10 million sales and GT5p (less than 1/5 of the contents for 80% the price) doesnt deserve 5 millions either.

And yes, I stand for what im saying, theres has been many great/good racing dying while GT sales like crazy. For what its right we should still have TOCA, Enthusia, Shift and PGR and the last 3 GT should not have sell more than the half of that (which are amazing sales still). And just to be clear, im not saying those games are better than GT5 or GT5p (well PGR4 probably is), what im saying is those games should have not failed and these 3 titles shoould have not sold as much.

Im fan of racing games in general, i love Forza, I love GT and i love many other games that sadly are not here anymore.

Shift series was quite fun after you configure the control settings correctly, im not saying is a good sim, im saying its a good GAME, same goes for Split/Second, a really fun arcade. Enthusia for its time was great, a good flawed game with lots of potential, saidly is dead too.
 
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Glorified G

Member
Paladin CL said:
Those sales of the last 3 games are completely underserved, it actually make me mad because theres other very good racing games failling, for example PGR4, Shift series, Split/second.

GT5: not a bad game at all, its a good game but flawed, 10 millions is crazy.
GT5p: Too much for the price vs contents
GT PSP: this one just pissed me off, this is downright a bad game, the only bad one in the series and it sold more than most other racing games in the market, its a dumbed down port without career mode or customization.

Its for things like these that dont have games like Toca, Enthusia, Shift (and probably PGR) anymore.
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Might as well of wrote "Ignore everything I post from this point"
 
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Mush

6.0
OK, now that I'm home and actually in front of my computer and not my phone let me say:

HOLY FUCKING SHIT AT THAT FOOTAGE
 
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Piggus

Member
Paladin CL said:
Those sales of the last 3 games are completely underserved, it actually make me mad because theres other very good racing games failling, for example PGR4, Shift series, Split/second.

GT5: not a bad game at all, its a good game but flawed, 10 millions is crazy.
GT5p: Too much for the price vs contents
GT PSP: this one just pissed me off, this is downright a bad game, the only bad one in the series and it sold more than most other racing games in the market, its a dumbed down port without career mode or customization.

Its for things like these that dont have games like Toca, Enthusia, Shift (and probably PGR) anymore.
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Maybe if you're a controller-using peasant. GT5 is hands down the best racing game on consoles if you have a good racing wheel setup.
 
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Piggus

Member
weekend_warrior said:
Not true at all. I'm a controller using peasant and GT5 is still easily the best racing game on consoles.
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Werd. I mean it's still a great game, but if I don't have my wheel set up I end up just taking photomode pics. ;p The wheel has totally ruined racing sims for me if I can't use a wheel.

To think that I raced the 24hr Nurb. endurance race in GT4 with a controller... yuck. lol
 
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