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[DenchDeckard]

To be fair, judging by sales, no one cared about Returnal.

I out flames on this because I care about returnal....but damn you speak the truth for the mass market.

 

[Andodalf]

Ready for this guy to put 2/3rds of GAF in the psych ward as they try to make an argument for MS having no games while it also has the GOTY

 

[Mister Wolf]

He was the Producer, as he is the producer for Starfield. He signed off Fallout 76. It's his game.

And Steven Spielberg was the producer of the Transformers films. He signed off on them. Its his movies. Does that reflect on his directing ability?

 

[Major_Key]

When MS will begins to bring their games constantly.

All the variety they will have, RPG, Immersive sim, Action Adventure, big third party on Game Pass etc... People will understand.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Still trying to Deny Todd his failures and success with Fallout 76 I see

 

[MonarchJT]

To be fair, judging by sales, no one cared about Returnal.

as far as data that I could see .... it physically sold horribly in stores and by horrible I mean really, really bad.. I don't know digitally but at that price I have strong doubts it set the market on fire. Sony I think we will review its pricing policy soon or release a "all for a certain price" gamepass competitor

 

[yurinka]

Fallout 4 was the last game he directed. Thats the game I was describing

But yea Skyrim is a masterpiece. One of the most influential games ever and these guys are saying he has a lot to prove lol

Yep, forgot about it and just after posting my most I remembered he also directed Fallout 4.

as far as data that I could see .... it physically sold horribly in stores and by horrible I mean really, really bad.. I don't know digitally but at that price I have strong doubts it set the market on fire. Sony I think we will review its pricing policy soon or release a "all for a certain price" gamepass competitor

We still don't have proper data. Got top 2 in UK only topped by Pokemon on retail UK and it dropped the next week, which may have been the best result in Housemarque history.

But we know 79% of PS sales were digital in the last quarter and they are in a growing trend, so can be even higher in the current one.UK sales are also not a big part of worldwide sales, to the retail sales we got don't mean a shit.

Regarding PlayStation now is going to be more relevant the top seller ranking for the PSN store in Europe or NA than retail rankings of some countries to see if a game did it great in sales.

On top of that, Housemarque games are smaller games to fill certain hardcore niches inside Sony's catalog. They aren't supposed to be supersellers.

Not really , his «platforms with gamepass» and legacy reply was crystal clear for anyone with half a brain.

It can be exclusive for platforms with gamepass, but a timed exclusive. That would match with MS said multiple times about 'first on or better on Xbox" strategy for future Zenimax games.

 

[BootsLoader]

Ok, and?

 

[Aroll]

The producer signs off the product. If he wanted he could just send it back to the drawing board and fire everyone, but he didn't: he signed off and published the game with all his faults.

I stand corrected: he is the Producer of the upcoming Indiana Jones game. For Starfield, I can't find an official statement mentioning who the Game Director is.


1) he is not just "the face of the company" he was the producer of that game. He isn't just a bystander, you know?
2) I have never liked Elder Scroll and Fallout: I have always found them to be badly designed and buggy games. Bethesda, and Zenimax as a whole, isn't a company that makes games that I appreciate. If Starfield is just like Elder Scroll and Fallout, you can keep it. If it's something interesing, I'll play it on PC. So, what do I care if it's on PS5 or not? It's not like I have just one platform and one only.

I was more or less making generalized statements, if they wasn’t clear. I did use your post as an example - was just the latest I saw. There are many in this thread proving my point.

As for producer - yeah of course. While Eiji Aonuma was busy making Zelda games Miyamoto was the producer for awhile too. He had very little to do with the making of the games but he still “ran the franchise”. That’s really all producer means.

he runs the franchise. He probably should have stopped the game from coming out. But, every company can get too greedy sometimes.

 

[Garani]

E3 is going to devastate some of these people and it will be hilarious.

LOL! You'll be in for a real wake up call: Starfield will move no impotant numbers. If people have a PC, they'll play Starfield there. Those that have just Nintendo and PS5 will just not care.

Keep trash takes like this to yourself lol

It's called: I didn't like the game. I did like other games, but Elder Scrolls and Skyrim games are bad games. Probably I am not their target audience.

And Steven Spielberg was the producer of the Transformers films. He signed off on them. Does that reflect on his directing ability?

Spielberg got quite a bit of trash for those movies, because he WAS the producer. Oh, by the way, Spielberg directed his fair share of bad movies in his time.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

I was more or less making generalized statements, if they wasn’t clear. I did use your post as an example - was just the latest I saw. There are many in this thread proving my point.

As for producer - yeah of course. While Eiji Aonuma was busy making Zelda games Miyamoto was the producer for awhile too. He had very little to do with the making of the games but he still “ran the franchise”. That’s really all producer means.

he runs the franchise. He probably should have stopped the game from coming out. But, every company can get too greedy sometimes.

He was listed as the producer for Oblivion and Fallout 3 too

He's at the top of the credits because he is the person with the most responsibility for the game. It's as simple as that. Whether he's listed as a director, lead or producer doesn't change that

 

[Mikey Jr.]

I expected as much.

Having said that,I'm not buying yet another console.

I don't need 2 in my life.

Just as some people miss out on PlayStation exclusives, I will miss out on starfield.
Unless that xcloud us really good. I dunno

 

[Mister Wolf]

LOL! You'll be in for a real wake up call: Starfield will move no impotant numbers. If people have a PC, they'll play Starfield there. Those that have just Nintendo and PS5 will just not care.



It's called: I didn't like the game. I did like other games, but Elder Scrolls and Skyrim games are bad games. Probably I am not their target audience.


Spielberg got quite a bit of trash for those movies, because he WAS the producer. Oh, by the way, Spielberg directed his fair share of bad movies in his time.

You guys always try to talk around the question.

 

[Fredrik]

I honestly think Hello World has iterated their game so far that anything with space, including Starfield, will feel a bit claustrophobic. Nobody will touch them on the feeling to explore a vast universe. They’re untouchable there.
What other devs can do though is beat them on quests and world design. And that’s my hope for Starfield, I expect few planets, maybe like Mass Effect, but I hope they deliver on great world and alien diversity, and I fully expect great role playing as well. Can’t wait!

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

You guys always try to talk around the question.

You need to get over these arbitrary titles

 

[Riky]

LOL! You'll be in for a real wake up call: Starfield will move no impotant numbers. If people have a PC, they'll play Starfield there. Those that have just Nintendo and PS5 will just not care.



It's called: I didn't like the game. I did like other games, but Elder Scrolls and Skyrim games are bad games. Probably I am not their target audience

Yet here you are making multiple posts in this thread, you care, a lot

 

[Mister Wolf]

You need to get over these arbitrary titles

I don't care that he was the Producer. Its two different roles. Stop bothering me with your nonsense.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

I expect better from the people who hate Bethesda games and have no intention of playing them........yet here they are in this thread. E3 is going to devastate some of these people and it will be hilarious.

Big fan here of the earlier Fallout games and had such high hopes for FO76 but my dreams were crushed playing on launch day, dont know what kind of shape that games in today.

I have been saying for a little bit now Xbox is pushing a lot of the right buttons and is moving the right direction for gamers and this is coming from a Playstation fanboy.

I will say this when the news first broke about Bethesda joining Xbox I was playing World of Warcraft with Mike Ybarra and I said to him wow thats a huge get for Xbox to add to their exclusives.

He replied Xbox had been after them for years but the asking price was insane at first plus he said (at the time) their games would not go exclusive anytime soon to allow them to recoup some of that money.

Obviously Mike hasnt been with Xbox for quite some time now and a lot of things have changed since.

 

[Majukun]

The “hate” is kinda understandable, if it was Sony or Nintendo buying Bethesda and making it exclusive I am sure Xbox fans would “hate” it too.

but here we are the mentality of “as long as my favorite console is doing it, I don’t care about the rest of the gamers”

exclusives have existed since the dawn of gaming and have their por and cons...yes a part of the game community is locked out of it and it sucks, on another side exclusives usually receive extra care and help from the console manufacturer to be the best game they can be, while multipletform can only make money through the game selling and often corners are cut or aggressive monetization schemes are adopted.

microsoft thus far has a spotty curriculum about exclusives and their management, but i'm still more interested in a starfield as an exclusive than as a middle of a road multiplatform like fallout 4, even if i will only be able to play it at low res on my laptop most likely

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

I don't care that he was the Producer. Its two different roles. Stop bothering me with your nonsense.

So Oblivion didn't have a "director" is that it?

You're in denial just because you don't want to accept Todd made a shit game

 

[ShinraMiddleMananger]

I honestly think Hello World has iterated their game so far that anything with space, including Starfield, will feel a bit claustrophobic. Nobody will touch them on the feeling to explore a vast universe. They’re untouchable there.
What other devs can do though is beat them on quests and world design. And that’s my hope for Starfield, I expect few planets, maybe like Mass Effect, but I hope they deliver on great world and alien diversity, and I fully expect great role playing as well. Can’t wait!

Ten planets all skyrim size all with unique life and quests on each. Starfield will define the generation and raise the bar for all of us.

 

[Fulcizombie]

Yep, forgot about it and just after posting my most I remembered he also directed Fallout 4.


We still don't have proper data. Got top 2 in UK only topped by Pokemon on retail UK and it dropped the next week, which may have been the best result in Housemarque history.

But we know 79% of PS sales were digital in the last quarter and they are in a growing trend, so can be even higher in the current one.UK sales are also not a big part of worldwide sales, to the retail sales we got don't mean a shit.

Regarding PlayStation now is going to be more relevant the top seller ranking for the PSN store in Europe or NA than retail rankings of some countries to see if a game did it great in sales.

On top of that, Housemarque games are smaller games to fill certain hardcore niches inside Sony's catalog. They aren't supposed to be supersellers.


It can be exclusive for platforms with gamepass, but a timed exclusive. That would match with MS said multiple times about 'first on or better on Xbox" strategy for future Zenimax games.

MS never said first or best, that was just a MS finacial executive making a general statement and nowehere did Phil imply anything about time exclusivity.

These games are now just like gears of war, halo, forza series, Hellblade, fable e.t.c., not that hard to grasp really.

 

[Julius Ibidus]

Oh, by the way, Spielberg directed his fair share of bad movies in his time.

yeah, that's not really accurate, i don't remember him directing movies like Suburban Sasquatch or the such. they weren't all home runs but 'fair share of bad movies' is more descriptive of a director like Roger Corman (who i think is great). sorry to nerd out on this.

 

[mansoor1980]

I honestly think Hello World has iterated their game so far that anything with space, including Starfield, will feel a bit claustrophobic. Nobody will touch them on the feeling to explore a vast universe. They’re untouchable there.
What other devs can do though is beat them on quests and world design. And that’s my hope for Starfield, I expect few planets, maybe like Mass Effect, but I hope they deliver on great world and alien diversity, and I fully expect great role playing as well. Can’t wait!

of course , i am waiting for bethesda to deliver on its SPACE OPERA take , since these type of games are very rare

 

[sircaw]

.

y.

I have been saying for a little bit now Xbox is pushing a lot of the right buttons and is moving the right direction for gamers and this is coming from a Playstation fanboy.

GOD DAMN FUCKING TRAITOR, HOW DARE YOU SAY SOME POSITIVE ABOUT XBOX>
YOU'RE OF MY XMAS LIST.

 

[OsirisBlack]

Haven’t really liked a Bethesda game since Skyrim so I will wait to see how starfield actually turns out. As far as the game being exclusive.... water is wet. I will be keeping a close eye on the next elder scrolls game. If it’s x box and pc same day release I’ll grab it on pc if not series x.

 

[Leyasu]

After the current contracts are up. All new games from all of the devs that came with Zenimax will be Xbox/PC exclusive period.

Wh is this still being discussed?

 

[ManaByte]

yeah, that's not really accurate, i don't remember him directing movies like Suburban Sasquatch or the such. they weren't all home runs but 'fair share of bad movies' is more descriptive of a director like Roger Corman (who i think is great). sorry to nerd out on this.

He's been directing movies for 50 years and in that career are maybe three or four that could be considered "bad". And even as "bad" as those are, they're better than most other directors will ever do.

 

[Mister Wolf]

After the current contracts are up. All new games from all of the devs that came with Zenimax will be Xbox/PC exclusive period.

Wh is this still being discussed?

The denial mixed with entitlement is strong. Some people getting their balloon popped come E3.

 

[Topher]

Personally, I love space games and I love open world RPGs. So "exclusivity" be damned, I hope this game is absolutely kick ass.

 

[reinking]

Big fan here of the earlier Fallout games and had such high hopes for FO76 but my dreams were crushed playing on launch day, dont know what kind of shape that games in today.

I have been saying for a little bit now Xbox is pushing a lot of the right buttons and is moving the right direction for gamers and this is coming from a Playstation fanboy.

I will say this when the news first broke about Bethesda joining Xbox I was playing World of Warcraft with Mike Ybarra and I said to him wow thats a huge get for Xbox to add to their exclusives.

He replied Xbox had been after them for years but the asking price was insane at first plus he said (at the time) their games would not go exclusive anytime soon to allow them to recoup some of that money.

Obviously Mike hasnt been with Xbox for quite some time now and a lot of things have changed since.

I only have one "concern" about the direction Xbox is taking gaming. If Game Pass does not deliver I am concerned it could do a lot of damage to the gaming market. Especially if they continue to buy up traditional third-party studios. In the meantime I will continue to ride this train until it is no longer worth riding if that happens.

 

[Julius Ibidus]

He's been directing movies for 50 years and in that career are maybe three or four that could be considered "bad". And even as "bad" as those are, they're better than most other directors will ever do.

(/nerd on) it's always interesting to compare him and other top tier directors with high output to top tier directors with much lower output (Kubrick or Lynch). it's only natural that not all of the projects a high output director will be classics, but the general level of quality is there throughout, and the classics that happen along the way are more than worth the mediocrity. (/nerd off)

 

[Airbus Jr]

This remind me when people said Ninja Gaiden, Mass Effect, Shadow of Tomb Raider, Plants vs Zombies, Sunset Overdrive? Etc..are xbox exclusives

 

[Mister Wolf]

I only have one "concern" about the direction Xbox is taking gaming. If Game Pass does not deliver I am concerned it could do a lot of damage to the gaming market. Especially if they continue to buy up traditional third-party studios. In the meantime I will continue to ride this train until it is no longer worth riding if that happens.

Gamepass is already delivering. That's why a billion dollar comapany like EA has decided to attach themselves to it early on, essentially scrapping their own on demand service. They must see some kind of analytics behind the scenes.

 

[Camreezie]

Oh no not the game with one screenshot/ logo , what a loss for Playstation

 

[rickybooby87]

Jeff Grubb? Okay. My prediction for them big AAA titles? Timed exclusives. Why in the hell do you think they are being ambiguous on platform specificity? MS only bought Zenimax to take it off the market from other buyers (Google, Facebook, Tencent, etc) for the purposes of going full blown publisher, and as a publisher, you want your content on as many platforms as possible, you wanna cast that drag net far and wide.

Your win will be that you get to keep singing the praises of GP and how you LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE paying for GaaS all while enjoying those titles day-and-date.

 

[The Shepard]

1. Gives a push, to Sony, to fill the void on its platform

Sony should have started getting a studio together to create elder scrolls and fallout killers soon as Microsoft brought Bethesda. Competition and rivalry could produce some excellent games in the future if they go for it. All the outcry will definitely have got Sony attention.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Starfield will be massive. Why can't there be good big games on all platforms? I don't understand why people want to try and downplay a game before they have seen it.

 

[ManaByte]

This remind me when people said Ninja Gaiden, Mass Effect, Shadow of Tomb Raider, Plants vs Zombies, Sunset Overdrive? Etc..are xbox exclusives

None of those were from a studio owned by Microsoft though.

 

[ManaByte]

Why in the hell do you think they are being ambiguous on platform specificity?

Except they aren't. People are ignoring this:

 

[FrankWza]

In any case, this whole thing is about semantics and nothing else at all. So it's kind of irrelevant to the main point of this topic.

Yeah the point I was making was, the guy who tweeted this is wrong even if he’s right that only xbox and pc can play it. This was known. He tweeted the emphatic PERIOD. But bungled it because he phrased it incorrectly. The point stands no matter what because the tweet is wrong.

They put everything gaming under the Xbox brand, gamepass And windows gaming.

That’s 3 categories and still not exclusive and it cannot be exclusive to xbox AND pc.

You guys still don’t get it. Xbox is console, pc, mobile and cloud.

yeah. That’s why nobody needs to buy an xbox console to play this game. It’s still not exclusive to xbox and pc because they aren’t the same. Tweet is still wrong.

Microsoft flight simulator is on pc. You cannot play it on xbox. It’s a pc exclusive right now. Today. it’s called Microsoft simulator. Microsoft also owns xbox. Why can’t it played on an xbox console? Because they aren’t the same.

 

[ManaByte]

Microsoft flight simulator is on pc. You cannot play it on xbox. It’s a pc exclusive right now. Today. it’s called Microsoft simulator. Microsoft also owns xbox. Why can’t it played on an xbox console? Because they aren’t the same.

It's coming to the console this summer.

 

[FrankWza]

It's coming to the console this summer.

Then it will stop being exclusive. Today it’s an exclusive to pc.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

you can be whatever you want but they are in the Microsoft ecosystem . period. there is no debate about it.
as android users are in Google ecosystem etc etc etc. is just a fact

0 nuance.

 

[yurinka]

MS never said first or best, that was just a MS finacial executive making a general statement and nowehere did Phil imply anything about time exclusivity.

These games are now just like gears of war, halo, forza series, Hellblade, fable e.t.c., not that hard to grasp really.

Xbox CFO, so the guy in charge of the financials of Xbox (not a random MS financial executive) said:

"Bethesda games will be “first or better or best,” on Xbox consoles when they are released."... “What we’ll do in the long run is we don’t have intentions of just pulling all of Bethesda content out of Sony or Nintendo or otherwise,” Stuart says. “But what we want is we want that content, in the long run, to be either first or better or best or pick your differentiated experience, on our platforms. We will want Bethesda content to show up the best as — on our platforms.”

Microsoft Wants Bethesda Games 'First or Better or Best' on Xbox - IGN

Microsoft says that Bethesda games coming to cross-platform will be 'first or better or best' on an Xbox console or platform.

www.ign.com

Phil Spencer said later:
"Obviously I can't sit here and say every Bethesda game is [an Xbox] exclusive, because we know that's not true," he explained. "There's contractual obligations that we're going to see through. We have games that exist on other platforms and we're going to go and support those games on the platforms they're on. There's communities of players - we love those communities and will continue to invest in them - and even in the future there might be...either contractual things or legacy on different platforms that we'll go do.

But if you're an Xbox customer," Spencer continued, "the thing I want you to know is this is about delivering great exclusive games for you that ship on platforms where Game Pass exists. And that's our goal, that's why we're doing this, that's the root of this partnership that we're building - and the creative capability we'll be able to bring to market for Xbox customers is going to be the best it's ever been for Xbox after we're done here."

So yes, they will continue releasing Bethesda games on PlayStation even if some of them will be shipped at launch as timed console exclusives on platforms where Game Pass exists. And I assume some game or DLC will be full console exclusive for Xbox. They will ship the games on their platforms, but they won't abandon the other ones.

 

[ManaByte]

Then it will stop being exclusive. Today it’s an exclusive to pc.

So is Horizon no longer a PlayStation exclusive franchise? Days Gone? What happens when Bloodborne hits PC? Does it suddenly become shit too?

Xbox CFO, so the guy in charge of the financials of Xbox (not a random MS financial executive) said:

"Bethesda games will be “first or better or best,” on Xbox consoles when they are released."... “What we’ll do in the long run is we don’t have intentions of just pulling all of Bethesda content out of Sony or Nintendo or otherwise,” Stuart says. “But what we want is we want that content, in the long run, to be either first or better or best or pick your differentiated experience, on our platforms. We will want Bethesda content to show up the best as — on our platforms.”

Microsoft Wants Bethesda Games 'First or Better or Best' on Xbox - IGN

Microsoft says that Bethesda games coming to cross-platform will be 'first or better or best' on an Xbox console or platform.

www.ign.com

Phil Spencer said later:
"Obviously I can't sit here and say every Bethesda game is [an Xbox] exclusive, because we know that's not true," he explained. "There's contractual obligations that we're going to see through. We have games that exist on other platforms and we're going to go and support those games on the platforms they're on. There's communities of players - we love those communities and will continue to invest in them - and even in the future there might be...either contractual things or legacy on different platforms that we'll go do.

But if you're an Xbox customer," Spencer continued, "the thing I want you to know is this is about delivering great exclusive games for you that ship on platforms where Game Pass exists. And that's our goal, that's why we're doing this, that's the root of this partnership that we're building - and the creative capability we'll be able to bring to market for Xbox customers is going to be the best it's ever been for Xbox after we're done here."

So yes, they will continue releasing Bethesda games on PlayStation even if some of them are released as timed console exclusives on platforms where Game Pass exists.

That's from November.

This is two months ago:

 

[Hendrick's]

Jeff Grubb? Okay. My prediction for them big AAA titles? Timed exclusives. Why in the hell do you think they are being ambiguous on platform specificity? MS only bought Zenimax to take it off the market from other buyers (Google, Facebook, Tencent, etc) for the purposes of going full blown publisher, and as a publisher, you want your content on as many platforms as possible, you wanna cast that drag net far and wide.

Your win will be that you get to keep singing the praises of GP and how you LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE paying for GaaS all while enjoying those titles day-and-date.

MS had no interest in just being a Publisher. They want to push Game Pass over all else. Not sure why people are still confused by this. Everything Xbox is doing is to grow Game Pass.

 

[FrankWza]

So is Horizon no longer a PlayStation exclusive franchise? Days Gone? What happens when Bloodborne hits PC? Does it suddenly become shit too?

Franchise? They announced every horizon game ever will be ported to pc? It’s a PlayStation exclusive. When you can play it on pc years later then that title isn’t anymore. It’s a PlayStation console exclusive. Who said anything about anything being shit? Just because it’s not exclusive doesn’t make anything shit. The tweet is wrong. Maybe the guy who tweeted it is shit?

 

[Camreezie]

Maybe the game will be bad. Take for example, pokemon sword, the shittiest rpg of all time. The switch is a worse system for having it.

Imagine having opinions this bad and an anus this sore

 

[rickybooby87]

MS had no interest in just being a Publisher. They want to push Game Pass over all else. Not sure why people are still confused by this. Everything Xbox is doing is to grow Game Pass.

I think YOU yourself, have no interest in Microsoft being a publisher, but that doesn't change the fact that Microsoft is moving to just being a publisher, sure, with GP and xCloud.