SlimeGooGoo
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Tears of the Kingdom is at least fun and enjoyable.
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Starfield, FF16, GOW Ragnarok, or Tears of the Kingdom - which of these had the worst writing?
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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Makes sense when you know Sweet Baby Inc. worked on the game.
They didn't "work on the game"; they were consulted for input, not all of which was used in the story already decided upon prior to consulting them.
Also lots of devs use consulting agencies like these in their games for a bit of insight. But that isn't the same as the agencies "working on the game" like an actual writer. Oddball assertion at the very least.
I'm just wondering if user profiles can get a 'Live' tag at this point because...damn...you're on a warpath.
It's lookin' pretty rough but you're definitely on something....
....of a warpath.
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Optimus Lime
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Good for you.
I don't give a fuck what you enjoyed. I expressed an opinion about what I enjoy. You've decided to abuse me because I'm 'wrong'. This was not reciprocal. I didn't say 'if you liked this game, you are wrong'.
I guess I'm just a better person than you.
Hero_Select
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I platinumed Spider-Man. I liked Miles Morales for the most part.
I dropped SM2.. Those side-quests are so terrible.
I dropped SM2.. Those side-quests are so terrible.
mckmas8808
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Makes sense when you know Sweet Baby Inc. worked on the game.
Oh so this is more about politics and NOT the game's writing. Got it! Carry on with the stupidity of the conversation then.\
Abuse you? Are you serious? Why are you getting so snowflaky on us? I responded to your post and gave my opinion on it. I didn't demand that you like the game or its writing.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
SmokedMeat
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Optimus Lime
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God, just fuck off.
DeepEnigma
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Gaelyon
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What's funny is you're the meme. You so full of it you don't even get it when the navy seal was quoted to you the first time in this thread. You're the embodiment of the navy seal meme, congrats.
Optimus Lime
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yeah
The Fuzz damn you!
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mckmas8808
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Some people want GAF to be the Anti-ResetERA so bad, without realizing that they only want to be JUST LIKE ResetERA. Just with the opposing politics of it all.
mckmas8808
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cormack12
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Who are these titty jigglers?
Yoboman
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You forgot that it's a historical fact that Spartans trained every day. From age 7 they are taken from their mothers in service of Sparta. They are taught never to retreat, never to surrender. Taught that grabbing a titty on the battlefield in service to Sparta was the greatest glory he could achieve in his life.
If he couldn't jiggle titties and suck a nip, they were thrown to the wolves, left to fend for themselves.
DeepEnigma
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It's true, I saw it in that documentary, 300.
The Fuzz damn you!
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Whether it’s a consultancy firm, or an editor, or a script doctor, or just a friend giving some feedback, EVERY damn character you see has had multiple people feed into their development. It’s very normal, although different people will have different goals in mind.
cormack12
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I don't buy it tbh. You think that an editor or consultancy firm told J.K. Rowling to change any of her characters? It's something you seek if you want it imo. I just don't think if it was my character I'd be engaging with it.
Sure, the pub or marketing may approach them, but if I was lead creative on my own character I'd be like spin on it.
DeepEnigma
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It's all a part of that DEI culture-rot. I.e. a grift, but a culturally and creatively damaging one.
mckmas8808
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Most content creative companies do this. For instance, this was done for Ghost of Tsushima
Ghost of Tsushima - Wikipedia
Again this is normal to have consultants for many parts of development. Even development of characters.
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DeepEnigma
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Historical accuracies, sure.Most content creative companies do this. For instance, this was done for Ghost of Tshima
Ghost of Tsushima - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Again this is normal to have consultants for many parts of development. Even development of characters.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
You can just grab 'em by the titty, when you're a Spartan, you can get away with it.
mckmas8808
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Cultural accuracies also. If the people you are creating still exist today......it's the same end goal. Just try to get it right\accurate or as good as possible so that it connects is the end goal.
Rockstar did the same thing with their GTA games. They did it with GTA: San Andreas.
Gangs
Rockstar North conducted massive amounts of research before developing the gangs of San Andreas-this involved talking to DJ Pooh, Mister Cartoon, Estevan Oriol, and hundreds of other well-known faces. Gangs play a much larger role than they did in Vice City. Firstly, the number of gangs has...
This is what separates Rockstar from most developers in the world. The amount of research and consulting that they do is top-notch.
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adamsapple
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The Fuzz damn you!
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You mean in Harry Potter and the Philosopher’s Stone? Or Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone?
Yes, there’s were absolutely editorial changes to Rowling’s work - undoubtedly fewer as the series went on, of course, but I have no doubt that they extended to character details. And, as it stands, her later works in particular would, imo, have benefited greatly from more vigorous editing… but that’s a different discussion.
Stamps1646
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Any of these.
- Starfield
- Forsaken
- Marvel's Spider-Man 2
cormack12
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I don't know what you're saying here? There are two different Harry characters in the US/UK versions of the series? That doesn't make sense.
I'm not talking about editing or rejigging sections of a book to make it read better, or sending some to the cutting room. I'm specifically talking about the characters. Like you think a PR firm told JKR that actually Hermione won't work as a brainiac. We need her to be slutty arm candy. Hagrid isn't doing so well as a big snail, we'd prefer you write him as a giant?
Good character development is based on an established narrative - usually defined by the creative as part of experience and back story of the character. I don't think it's an accident we don't see that journey with Kratos, because that part of his narrative isn't defined, which leads to the ambiguity of the up and down nature of his Norse arc and contradictions (aside from the I'm not who I was cliche). Note, none of that really bothers me per se, it is what it is. None of this is so deep, and if sacrificing a bit of Kraros so we get the incredible Freya arc then I'm OK with that.
But I don't see a world where SSM open up conversations with some consultancy firm who say actually Brok and Sindri should not be dwarves and would play better as water/forest spirits because they are en vogue. I just don't see it- they are created thematically and specifically for their mythology?
The Fuzz damn you!
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Just pointing out that the book was subject to editorial changes. One of those changes it obvious, so I drew your attention to it. I have no doubt that other changes were applied specifically to characters as well. Maybe not to the extent that you go on to discuss, but it’s a normal process. That’s all.
God of War is certainly different from Harry Potter. The IP is owned by a corporation not an individual, and the creative aspects are led by a variety of people (Jaffe, Barlow, etc.) over time, each with a different narrative they want to use this character to tell. Yes, these absolutely mean that the character will appear more fragmented and result in a story that appeals directly to the consumer base more so than being derived from any consistent intention of an author. Like I said, there will be different goals behind the consultations that are taken, but the process itself - seeking feedback on elements of a narrative, including characterisation - is normal.
GeeseGoose
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I liked TOTK's story, and I haven't played SM2, GOW:R or SF, so... I voted FF16.
To be honest I likely wouldn't have had a change of mind had I played one or more of the ones I hadn't as FF16's story suffers from many issues, not least of which is pacing.
To be honest I likely wouldn't have had a change of mind had I played one or more of the ones I hadn't as FF16's story suffers from many issues, not least of which is pacing.
Puscifer
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Going Ragnarok for the fact I got cock teased the entire game. Spider-Man 2 was fun when I played it with my boyfriend who made me get over that hump with all the dialogue and whatnot. I liked how they played with scream and anti venom and set up carnage, I'll be shocked if they manage to make it darker without an m rating next time
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Brigandier
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DeathGuise
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Ragnorok was disappointing as fuck
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Wtf is Ragnarok doing on this list?
The Fuzz damn you!
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Oh boy…
adamsapple
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Here we go again...
Banjo64
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Receiving a fair amount of votes by the looks of things.
James Sawyer Ford
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Starfield is by far one of the worst written games I've ever played. Just comically bad.
ChorizoPicozo
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is forespoken a 2023 game?
adamsapple
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ShadyAcshuns
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I'd of had to have played Ragno and SM2 in order to have a legit vote. That prereq is just too high of a barrier for me.
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DeepEnigma
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I tend to lump cultural with historical, but not shoehorned current year revisionism.Cultural accuracies also. If the people you are creating still exist today......it's the same end goal. Just try to get it right\accurate or as good as possible so that it connects is the end goal.
Rockstar did the same thing with their GTA games. They did it with GTA: San Andreas.
Gangs
Rockstar North conducted massive amounts of research before developing the gangs of San Andreas-this involved talking to DJ Pooh, Mister Cartoon, Estevan Oriol, and hundreds of other well-known faces. Gangs play a much larger role than they did in Vice City. Firstly, the number of gangs has...gtasa.fandom.com
This is what separates Rockstar from most developers in the world. The amount of research and consulting that they do is top-notch.
The examples you provided were the positive and sound sides, the one that was quoted prior, waste of money.
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RoadHazard
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How does TOTK contradict BOTW? It doesn't fully explain everything about how the two are connected, but I don't think it contradicts it either.
The lore is where the contradictions occur, mostly when trying to reconcile the Zonai with the Sheikah, and Calamity Ganon with Ganondorf especially what we know of the final dragon form he was keeping as his endgame. The nature of TOTK being the kind of story it is also causes causality consistency issues between BOTW and TOTK for the master sword
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