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Rumor Game Dev Naughty Dog Rumored to Be Developing New IP

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If their game has a black main character but is developed and written and produced Druckmann, I foresee some issues.
 
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You know, I do hope we get games with protagonists and storys built by a wide variety of people.

Hat's off to ND if they are giving the opportunity to an up and coming writer and director. if this is Niel Druckmann then i won't lie....I'll be disappointed.
 

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No offence, no one in here is sayin it doesn't matter.
But people are indeed saying it doesn't matter. You have lots of people asking why does it matter and you have people asking the rhetorical who cares. If it does not matter to you, simply ignore it and let the people who it matters appreciate it. The game being good is without question as the pedigree of the creators precedes them. We all know creators create what they want to create.

If you want to bring attention to an issue, you yell it from the rooftop until it sinks into people's minds. I don't know what history you have been taught but American history is rife with civil unrest, people marching, protesting, boycotting, fighting to gain civil rights. The most prolific speech ever given to this day heard by millions around the world "I have a dream" speech still reverberates to this day. Ever heard the cliche a closed mouth does not get fed? No change has ever come of people being silent or quiet, you make noise to get people's attention, you don't necessarily have to do it with your voice, eg Kapernick Kneeling for the national anthem had half the country lose their mind. If you have never had to march and scream and fight for your basic rights, that's a good thing but millions of others have had to.
 
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You guys?
Wtf is this supposed to mean?

a lot of gamers are bothered by this kinda stuff, which is why it was even first noticed (i.e. why are you, the journalist/leaker/insider/whatever, even noticing race to begin with?), and why it is being reported (i.e. why do you bother to report the race on twitter? there's an appetite for this stuff amongst the community of racis-i mean "anti-woke culture" gamers).
 
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It's almost like there is a history to do with black representation that makes it matter. Because of the fact that representation matters. Because black people being represented in media matters. Because for the first 50 or so years of any media, black representation was made specifically to caricature, denigrate, disparage black image. So yes it matters, it matters that naughtydog wants to create their first lead black character. They are some of the best storytellers in the industry and it matters that they want to put a black face as the lead in their story.

You should rethink why introducing a game as having "first black lead" makes you recoil in disgust.

Who are they and who is doing the teasing?
You don't get my point, a character being Black or whatever his race shouldn't be considered as the main thing to describe an Art.

I'll give you an example:

Enter the Dragon is the first ever international movie that stars an Asian Actor, aka Bruce Lee, People love him since worldwide, but it wasn't because he was Asian, but because of the human being he was.


what about the ones who type up paragraphs online of being in absolute shambles by the rumor of a black lead being in a game (i.e. you)

if race doesn't matter, it shouldn't matter, right? lmfao

If you see in Eddie Murphy a Black guy before seeing him as a great comdian (for example), than yes i suspect you're a racist.
 
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And I will continue to ignore their games since they only produce crap since the PS3 launched

*ignores games from a developer*
*Notices thread about game from the developer and posts in it*

Mark Wahlberg Reaction GIF by 20th Century Fox Home Entertainment
 
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Of course Identity politics is what they find most important in games. Fuck ND.
Sadly it's what ND has become, the days where they were just focusing on making great games is long gone, now their games still has the cutting edge graphics, but not memorable as it used to be with ND. Hopefully the other Sony studios won't get affected by this mentality "MUH representation MUH"
 
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You don't get my point, a character being Black or whatever shouldn't be considered as the main thing to describe an Art.

I'll give you an example:

Enter the Dragon is the first ever international movie that stars an Asian Actor, aka Bruce Lee, People love him since worldwide, but it wasn't because he was Asian, but because of the human being he was.




If you see in Eddie Murphy a Black guy before seeing him as a great comdian (for example), than yes i suspect you're a racist.
But it matters. And you are not getting it and you don't know what racism is. Seeing people as black or white is not racism, we can't pretend we don't see color when the very notion of color as a race was specifically invented to support the transatlantic slave trade. When you are filling any document either for a job application or otherwise you are asked if you are white, black, or other. It is inherent to our society and we can't pretend it does not matter in media when the very nature of blackness was used in a negative light. It matters.
 
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But people are indeed saying it doesn't matter. You have lots of people asking why does it matter and you have people asking the rhetorical who cares. If it does not matter to you, simply ignore it and let the people who it matters appreciate it. The game being good is without question as the pedigree of the creators precedes them. We all know creators create what they want to create.

If you want to bring attention to an issue, you yell it from the rooftop until it sinks into people's minds. I don't know what history you have been taught but American history is rife with civil unrest, people marching, protesting, boycotting, fighting to gain civil rights. The most prolific speech ever given to this day heard by millions around the world "I have a dream" speech still reverberates to this day. Ever heard the cliche a closed mouth does not get fed?

Black history is american history, period. Native History is AMerican history period.
Social media and why this place has banned political thread section is because of people yelling saying they feel marginalized. Yelling to bring attention is something that works yes. But thats to shine a light on something that has not been brought to everyone's attention. Everyone knows how marginalized people of color and minorities are. Yet the people yelling the loudest are African american.

Why dont you hear anything about Asian americans? Which asian/chinese history is american history.(railroads were built on basically Chinese slaves)
Resetera seems like a great fit for you if you can't take people who are just excited for a new game regardless of the person as the lead. Usually the best games are the ones that lets the game speak for itself and not someone yelling that they feel represented.
People that are just being trolls or ass hole you can ignore them. But I don't need people to do what people at reset do and paint a brush stroke that everyone needs to be vocal with the said representation.
If you feel it needs to be yelled more, go to resetera.
People are free here to talk. If you don't like it and you think it's out of line then grab a mod. Most of us me included were raised to treat everyone with respect. Everyone to me are people. You race, religious beliefs, nationality does not matter to me.
The same goes for content I consume. The more people stop making deal about a black character in a game the more people stop looking for it, and its just a great game to them.
 
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Yes but not anymore? I used the first 50 years just as a representation of longevity, it didn't end after the first 50 years just like how even when slavery was abolished after 400 years of it, it didn't just simply stop and everything was ok from then on. The effects of things from the past are still well and alive to this day. There are actual people who are alive today who experienced slavery. To this day there are racist representations of black characters in media. For the record, I don't need you to be with me on this issue, if it doesn't affect you personally that's fine.

White people are put down as slave owners? Is that really a sentence that you wrote and thought made a valid point?

You are in a thread where people either facetiously or ignorantly dismiss and are getting triggered by a rumor that Naughtydog is making a game featuring their first black lead and your conclusion is enough of black people already, they have been pushed enough. There has been a constant push by black people to advance black representation in media since the very beginning, progress for social equity is not a straight line.
I knew you would respond like this. I never said "enough of black people", don't push that on me.

"People still live that experienced slavery", what does that have to do with anything in this matter, or representation? there are still Jews who live that went through the fucking holocaust, there are Chinese alive who was starved by mao, there are vietnamese who lives now who lived under the vietcong. What is your point?

The reason why I said white people are put down as slave owners, is because no white person today has anything to do with slavery, and is the most progressive group of people on the planet with the most progressive countries in the world. I live in a country that never had any colored slaves, but even I have been called all sort of shit by black americans because I'm white.

That people get frustrated that Naughty Dog is using a black lead is dumb, of course, but trying to push some sort of agenda that it's important for black people is also dumb.
 
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But it matters. And you are not getting it and you don't know what racism is. Seeing people as black or white is not racism, we can't pretend we don't see color when the very notion of color was specifically invented to support the transatlantic slave trade. When you are filling any document either for a job application or otherwise you are asked if you are white, black, or other. It is inherent to our society and we can't pretend it does not matter in media when the very nature of blackness was used in a negative light. It matters.

It's sad truth indeed, but it shouldn't justify games being designed with political thoughts and agendas.

If a character happen to be black that's great, but it should come organically without political thoughs.
 

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New IP sounds good. Ill be there day 1.

But why mention it has a black lead, or female lead etc. You didnt really hear them say, its gonna have a white lead for Uncharted or TLOU. Sounds like someone wants brownie points or something
 

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I knew you would respond like this. I never said "enough of black people", don't push that on me.

"People still live that experienced slavery", what does that have to do with anything in this matter, or representation? there are still Jews who live that went through the fucking holocaust, there are Chinese alive who was starved by mao, there are vietnamese who lives now who lived under the vietcong. What is your point?

The reason why I said white people are put down as slave owners, is because no white person today has anything to do with slavery, and is the most progressive group of people on the planet with the most progressive countries in the world. I live in a country that never had any colored slaves, but even I have been called all sort of shit by black americans because I'm white.

That people get frustrated that Naughty Dog is using a black lead is dumb, of course, but trying to push some sort of agenda that it's important for black people is also dumb.
Jim Crow laws were still in existence in the 60s in the US and apartheid didn't end until the 90s in South Africa so the lingering of slavery are still very much present. You can still be arrested for interracial marriages in certain counties in the US. Lynching is still present to this day. The only people that don't seem to see that are the same ones in this thread trying to denounce black representation and trying to weaponize it with their own self disgust.
 
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Jim Crow laws were still in existence in the 60s in the US and apartheid didn't end until the 90s in South Africa so the lingering of slavery are still very much present. The only people that don't seem to see that are the same ones in this thread trying to denounce black representation and trying to weaponize it with their own self disgust.
News flash, we aren't living in the 60s anymore.

South Africa is not lingering, that place is full-on hate both ways.
 

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I am all against being woke for woke sake, but the amount of sad anti progressive folks on this forum is concerning to say the least. They can't accept that perhaps maybe having a different coloured/gendered protagonist is possible and never will.

TLOU2 was not my favourite game, dragged on a lot and the story was preposterous at times. I can appreciate it is an expertly crafted world though with some fantastic mechanics. I am looking forward to seeing what Naughty Dog come up with next.
 
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Jim Crow laws were still in existence in the 60s in the US and apartheid didn't end until the 90s in South Africa so the lingering of slavery are still very much present. You can still be arrested for interracial marriages in certain counties in the US. Lynching is still present to this day. The only people that don't seem to see that are the same ones in this thread trying to denounce black representation and trying to weaponize it with their own self disgust.

Or some people are just excited for Naughty Dog's new IP regardless of who the character is?

Which is people like me and others who are excited they are making a new IP. It's others who pointed a light and did so to elicit a reaction.

My literal first post was to inform someone about the project being in the works for some time. it's others who are making this a big deal, and then trying to convince everyone why said thing is a big deal.....to them. The more people get excited for a game regardless of pre-conceived notions the better it is when that game comes out is awesome loved by everyone. Thats how you brake down barriers.
 
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a lot of gamers are bothered by this kinda stuff, which is why it was even first noticed (i.e. why are you, the journalist/leaker/insider/whatever, even noticing race to begin with?), and why it is being reported (i.e. why do you bother to report the race on twitter? there's an appetite for this stuff amongst the community of racis-i mean anti-woke culture gamers).
I am bothered by the need to point it out.

How are things supposed to get better in this world if we keep pointing out differences?
 
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Black history is american history, period. Native History is AMerican history period.
Social media and why this place has banned political thread section is because of people yelling saying they feel marginalized. Yelling to bring attention is something that works yes. But thats to shine a light on something that has not been brought to everyone's attention. Everyone knows how marginalized people of color and minorities are. Yet the people yelling the loudest are African american.

Why dont you here anything about Asian americans? Which asian/chinese history is american history.
Resetera seems like a great fit for you if you can't take people who are just excited for a new game regardless of the person as the lead. Usually the best games are the ones that lets the game speak for itself and not someone yelling that they feel represented.
People that are just being trolls or ass hole you can ignore them. But I don't need people to do what people at reset do and paint a brush stroke that everyone needs to be vocal with the said representation.
If you feel it needs to be yelled more, go to resetera.
People are free here to talk. If you don't like it and you think it's out of line then grab a mod. Most of us me included were raised to treat everyone with respect. Everyone to me are people. You race, religious beliefs, nationality does not matter to me.
The same goes for content I consume. The more people stop making deal about a black character in a game the more people stop looking for it, and its just a great game to them.
American history is very diverse and at no point have I said anything about others not being part of American history. Developers should pull from any and all history and represent the various cultures as much as they can if it is their creative intent. In this thread, we are talking about blackness and why some people think we have had enough black representation and the very mention of black has triggered people to show their disdain of the notion of black representation. I don't know why politics of banned from this forum but you cannot separate politics from any social discussion. It permeates all our existence and removing a particular thread does not remove it from our discussion. The Asiatic culture is not lacking in representation in games media, heck we had this discussion when Sucker Punch announced GOT because some people felt a western game developer could not tackle the subject with respect. They did an amazing job.

We are not on resetera so I don't know why you are bringing resetera into this discussion. I have been a member of this forum for a long-ass time. I am good with exactly where i am and choose to be and you can go wherever you feel like going to. It needs to be yelled more, representation matters and i'm happy saying it here as anywhere else.
 
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I don't know what history you have been taught but American history is rife with civil unrest, people marching, protesting, boycotting, fighting to gain civil rights.
Not to harp too much on you, but this is some pussy ass history. Most of us in Europe had our countries destroyed and bombed to bricks and a good portion of our population was sent to death camps to get burned and gassed alive.
 

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You need to explain that further.
Two sources of material to read.

 

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"First black lead,"

*cries in Nadine*
Well, I don't care if the character have a good writing...

Loving Lee in Telltale TWD S1, loving Marlene prestation on TLOU1, a bit disapointed for Isaac on TLOU2... not for character itself but utilization..
Maybe Era will stop crying bc ND hate black character, they always dying or bad people
 
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It's sad truth indeed, but it shouldn't justify games being designed with political thoughts and agendas.

If a character happen to be black that's great, but it should come organically without political thoughs.
No such thing as an organic character. We are telling human stories and pulling from past, present individual, and collective experiences.
 

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Two sources of material to read.

Dude, this is pseudoscience that anyone legit would disregard in 2 seconds.

You just need to look at the muslim african slave trade or some of the asian slave trades to find that stuff like this was widespread across all cultures hundreds of years before the american slave trade. That trade was just a small part of what was before.
 

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American history is very diverse and at no point have I said anything about others not being part of American history. Developers should pull from any and all history and represent the various cultures as much as they can if it is their creative intent. In this thread, we are talking about blackness and why some people think we have had enough black representation and the very mention of black has triggered people to show their disdain of the notion of black representation. I don't know why politics of banned from this forum but you cannot separate politics from any social discussion. It permeates all our existence and removing a particular thread does not remove it from our discussion. The Asiatic culture is not lacking in representation in games media, heck we had this discussion when Sucker Punch announced GOT because some people felt a western game developer could not tackle the subject with respect. They did an amazing job.

We are not on resetera so I don't know why you are bringing resetera into this discussion. I have been a member of this forum for a long-ass time. I am good with exactly where i am and choose to be and you can go wherever you feel like going to. It needs to be yelled more, representation matters and i'm happy saying it here as anywhere else.

It's people in the industry that now feel pressured and have gone all in on making sure they have some sort of report with specific marginalized groups. Before social media we still had movies with black leads, black superheroes, and black video game characters.

Not all are written/designed equal, but as better writing, better designers. Kratos was literally made in 2005 pre- all this social media outrage, and internet witch hunting. Guess what he was of color, before he became ghost of sparta. We've had black assissins, native American assassins, all before the twitter explosion of people yelling they feel forgotten.
The entire point of this place is to talk games, entertainment, and we should be able to talk about those shows/games as they are without making it political. Twitter is not a real place, this place is just a forum. If you want to elicit change, start at your local government, go to city hall meeting, become a member of city council where you live which anyone can run for.

Change doesn't start behind a keyboard or an app.
And thats why we should be able to talk video games, we are here to talk about things we like to lose ourselves with, and not have to think about all the bad shit going on outside. Why do you consume media/entertainment/video games? it's to escape mentally, or enjoy a story that takes your mind off of the real world for however long.

The are meant as escapes, and to tell stories anyone can enjoy and connect with. thats what makes a great movie, game, ect. The moment you try to instruct the viewer and beat them over the head with your message for the same of it, is when you get reactions like we see.

No such thing as an organic character. We are telling human stories and pulling from past, present individual, and collective experiences.

Where do Final Fantasy characters pull from? usually mythical creatures, mythical gods ect. The only human part is the story was told at somepoint to someone who thought it would make a great game or had an idea of that to make a fantasy game with similar lore. Fantasy comes from telling stories through the ages, but making a game about creatures, rarely is it connected to humans past. Maybe they intertwine human sensibilities to the fictional creature, but other than that its of the lines of a fairy tale.
 
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I am bothered by the need to point it out.

How are things supposed to get better in this world if we keep pointing out differences?

You completely missed my point.

The only people pointing this out and are bothered by this are racists. Things only get better when people become self-aware of their own deep rooted racism.

Not only is this rumor not coming from ND, you guys don't even know if this character is a token to serve political intentions, and yet you guys are STILL triggered and upset.
 

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You completely missed my point.

The only people pointing this out and are bothered by this are racists. Things only get better when people become self-aware of their own deep rooted racism.

Not only is this rumor not coming from ND, you guys don't even know if this character is a token to serve political intentions, and yet you guys are STILL triggered and upset.
You continue to be ignorant and try and lump people together, including me.

Keep ASSuming you know what you are talking about.
 

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I am bothered by the need to point it out.

How are things supposed to get better in this world if we keep pointing out differences?
Exactly. I think if all the woke and SJW nonsense hadnt risen up over the last 5-10 years, and this stuff was just brought into games and movies etc with little talk about it, people wouldnt be half as botherd.
I remember loving the black dude in Prototype 2, and loving the game. Hated the guy in the first game. It never really crossed my mind, or mattered at all, that the character was black. It was of course a different time back then though.
 
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You completely missed my point.

The only people pointing this out and are bothered by this are racists. Things only get better when people become self-aware of their own deep rooted racism.

Not only is this rumor not coming from ND, you guys don't even know if this character is a token to serve political intentions, and yet you guys are STILL triggered and upset.

So my first post which was about the game being in development was about me being racist? OR I'm here because I buy Naughty Dog games? I own all of their games?
 
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Dude, this is pseudoscience that anyone legit would disregard in 2 seconds.

You just need to look at the muslim african slave trade or some of the asian slave trades to find that stuff like this was widespread across all cultures hundreds of years before the american slave trade. That trade was just a small part of what was before.
You asked for further explanation, I gave you two sources of material to read from and without having read it you call it pseudoscience. Having a look at the African slave trade, Asian slave trade, etc does not change what Trans Atlantic slave trade was a very different brutal institution created specifically for the enslavement of the African people. Skin color was used specifically as a descriptor of how resilient African slave was to the conditions they were subjected to. I don't know what legit sources you speak of that rejects these known facts.
 

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OR I'm here because I buy Naughty Dog games?

you're here for attention.

that's why you're typing up paragraphs of bullshit to complete strangers online, and why you're replying to me when I wasn't even replying to you. I don't even know what 'first post' you're talking about. go find someone else to argue with.
 
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I dont want to see a single fucking complaint about this, if the word "woke" is even uttered once, you will be banned.

*how id be as a mod*

Cant wait for ND's new game, Day 0 for whatever they make.

Praise God. I wish you were a mod. You'd have my vote.
 
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Why does race have to be mentioned?

Why is it a problem if it is mentioned? If ND never had a main black lead character in game before, it's okay that it's pointed out. I'd personally have a problem if this then became the main marketing for the game (which it won't). But also......this isn't ND talking it's a guy on Twitter shooting us a rumor.