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Naughty Dog Rumored to Be Developing New IP
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S0ULZB0URNE
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Get what?
elcapitano
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They're not the ones mentioning race
The Eradicator
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I guess you already forgot Deathloop?
itsnotme
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People here would still be crying even if they didn’t mention it once and just showed gameplay. Look how a rumour has people acting already and calling ND woke trash LOL
SSfox
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THIS.
I have nothing against any race, black white asian arabe i mean WHO CARES???? As long as the game is great and the character design have some fitting and sens. Reading thing like "featuring their first Black Lead" as the first thing to introduce a game just make me "EW Okay but why does it matter?" and there is nothing to get excited about.
Raven is my Favorite Ninja of all time, when Namco introduced him, despite being the first Black Ninja in videogame and any fighting game, they just introduced him as brand new character to the Tekken franchise (BTW hope he's coming in Tekken 8 also) , but nowdays everything is political (mostly with western devs, not all but most of) it's kinda snooze fest and so annoying tbh.
Again those who point out all time on this and talk all days about races are the most racists
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Rhazer Fusion
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Deathloop?
Rhazer Fusion
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She’s Caucasian and Indian if I remember correctly.First Black Lead?
This is bullshit
If you have to ask, you’ll never know.
Fake
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And amazing.
tmlDan
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is Deathloop considered triple A?
Papacheeks
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Yes.
DeepEnigma
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And the purple shall rejoice.I hope it's a they/them
Beer Baelly
Al Pachinko, Konami President
It better be a black transgender
Tripolygon
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It's almost like there is a history to do with black representation that makes it matter. Because of the fact that representation matters. Because black people being represented in media matters. Because for the first 50 or so years of any media, black representation was made specifically to caricature, denigrate, disparage black image. So yes it matters, it matters that naughtydog wants to create their first lead black character. They are some of the best storytellers in the industry and it matters that they want to put a black face as the lead in their story.
You should rethink why introducing a game as having "first black lead" makes you recoil in disgust.
Who are they and who is doing the teasing?
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Tripolygon
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Here is a little tip for those "why does it matter" folks.
If it does not matter to you, simply shut the fuck up and ignore and let people that it matters, appreciate it.
If it does not matter to you, simply shut the fuck up and ignore and let people that it matters, appreciate it.
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Rhazer Fusion
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Hmmmm……..I think it is. It’s a full priced $60 release which seems to have a decent budget behind it, so probably? Maybe?
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S0ULZB0URNE
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I want YOU to tell me.
TheThreadsThatBindUs
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Narrative focused game with a character creator is an oxymoron.
For the narrative focus to be any good it needs character focus, and for character focus you need a defined character not some blank slate for player insertion that ends up being a fucking underdeveloped robot in the story of the game, e.g. Shepherd in ME.
Naughty Dog has said nothing nor is the person making the tweet a verified source but here we are on page 4 with nothing but butthurt Caucasians in an uproar. As much as y'all bitch about "WOKENESS" you're the ones stoking the fire because it makes you angry on a personal level.
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Romulus
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That's kinda where I was going, but the 90s and 2000s, the majority of rap customers were white by a massive margin. It wasn't even remotely close. And there was almost zero representation despite this. If anything, in their music vids, whites were often portrayed as bad guys, cops or rich corporate sleazeballs. But now since gaming companies are a bunch of pandering sissies, they force color whenever they can, despite the consumer base of black gamers(especially in horror or post apocalyptic games) is likely extremely low. And I highly doubt it's a genuine marketing strategy to bring them in either.
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Bragr
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Yes, but not anymore. Why does representation matter as much in 2021? if it was a few decades ago I would be with you, but right now it's used as a weapon.
White people are put down as slave owners and racists constantly. That's misrepresentation too, and it's broad and ugly and featured in music, movies, tv shows, and comedy shows on a daily basis.
My point is, black representation has progressed and been discussed more than any other culture by far, at this point in time, it's probably the last "culture" or "people" that need representation in media. The work has already been done. There has been a bigger push to get black people into every part of society than any other people in history, people can't keep using argumentation from the 1970s on why you need to push black people into media, they are already there.
tmlDan
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they've never made a shooter? Maybe just 1
I wouldn't call LoU a shooter focused game unless you play that way...the only game that is a shooter is Uncharted.
This
There some serious Snowflaking in this thread. I joke around with Snowflakes (Instant meltdown/fragility) not to worry, if there not Aliens then over 90% lead characters in games are White, so no need to panic. Lol.
JoeBudden
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to piss you guys off lol
EverydayBeast
thinks Halo Infinite is a new graphical benchmark
That’s why I love Naughty Dog they have last of us and uncharted in the mix and are still testing the waters, aren’t happy with success.
JoeBudden
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what about the ones who type up paragraphs online of being in absolute shambles by the rumor of a black lead being in a game (i.e. you)
if race doesn't matter, it shouldn't matter, right? lmfao
Gamer_By_Proxy
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Ha! People are so wrongfully obsessed with race. I read "black lead" and it took me a second to realize what that even meant. Who cares. If it's a great game with some great gameplay it's a buy.
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DeepEnigma
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Hey look, it's a racist.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
lol What?
- Spiderman Miles Morales
- Deathloop
- Half Life Alyx
- Mafia 3
- Starhawk
- Watch Dogs 2
- The Walking Dead
- GTAV
- Assassin's Creed Origins - This should count as two because both Bayak and his wife were black and playable characters.
- Forspoken. Comes out next spring.
I dont think anyone ever complained about any of these characters being black. The problem here is that it seems to be a mandate for ND for whatever reason.
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Papacheeks
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No offence, no one in here is sayin it doesn't matter. I think many peoples opinions is as long as the game is good why yell at the roof tops about it? Detahloop had 2 black leads, but no one was really shouting on roof tops about it having black leads. Same with Mafia 3. It was part of the story, the game was so-so to be honest, but the characters were all pretty great. I didn't hear anyone yelling at the rooftops?
It's up to designers and developers. I think the louder you yell to bring attention to something the less impact it has culturally. Black Panther is a great example. ANd it was a big deal for a lot of people of color. But it also was a pretty great movie regardless of it's impact.
We are at a place now that having a person of color or minority as a lead is almost like its not a big deal to yell and grab attention about when something comes out. We've had black superheroes since the 70's-80's. Video games were back then a product of Japan which was not multicultural.
But now?
I feel as long as the game is great, then it should not be needing to be yelled at the rooftops about its diversity since when the player plays it they wont be looking for said representation that was advertised. That video someone posted with Morgan Freeman holds true if you want division in everything between how people view the world to go away and have everyone just be called "people".
The issue is places like Resetera, and sometimes threads people make here, are all about making it known to get attention and not about the message. The message comes from any person who plays the game. The more people get used to playing different characters from different ethnicities, then there wont be talking points anymore. It will just be a great game, instead a game with great representation.
Thats mostly peoples thoughts on this.
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Tripolygon
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Yes but not anymore? I used the first 50 years just as a representation of longevity, it didn't end after the first 50 years just like how even when slavery was abolished after 400 years of it, it didn't just simply stop and everything was ok from then on. The effects of things from the past are still well and alive to this day. There are actual people who are alive today who experienced slavery. To this day there are racist representations of black characters in media. For the record, I don't need you to be with me on this issue, if it doesn't affect you personally that's fine.
White people are put down as slave owners? Is that really a sentence that you wrote and thought made a valid point?
You are in a thread where people either facetiously or ignorantly dismiss and are getting triggered by a rumor that Naughtydog is making a game featuring their first black lead and your conclusion is enough of black people already, they have been pushed enough. There has been a constant push by black people to advance black representation in media since the very beginning, progress for social equity is not a straight line.
Azurro
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Druckmann has publicly stated ND is a woke company. So it IS a woke company.
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