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Brad, Vinny, and Alex all leaving Giant Bomb

junguler

Banned
i used to listen to their podcast every week and watch all the big game quick looks they did but at some point i lost interest, the from home stuff is just not the same as being on the office i guess. anyway, good luck to them wherever they might land.
 
I was 14 when I discovered Giant Bomb. I remember begging my mom to let me use her credit card to download the Giant Bomb mobile app. It was like $2 but back then she was always wary of online purchases lol. I've kind of hated what the site has become especially in the last two years and to me this news was inevitable. I remember a few weeks ago when Vinny said something to the effect of "I didn't sign up to be a Twitch streamer" and the agreement on everyone elses face was telling.

I know Jeff is still continuing but to me the site as I know it is dead. Maybe he would be better off rebranding it as something else. And to be honest, his optimism about RV rings hollow. Brad, Vinny, and Alex leaving at the exact same time isn't a coincidence. Something just seems really off about their new owners.
 
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Evil Calvin

Afraid of Boobs
Sorry if I came of accusatory.



I'm not sure if Jeff held them back, I just think the rise of influencers on Youtube quickly caught up to and surpassed what GiantBomb offered. You can put some of the blame on Jeff for not upholding higher production quality standards for sure and most of the post-Austin hires, save for Dan, really did a number on the chemistry of the personalities of the site.
They had plenty of opportunity to make LOTS of quality and varied streams over the last year and a half when everyone was home and they could easily make it happen. They got lazy.
 

Megatron

Member
I really enjoyed their game of the year podcasts and will miss that. Their other shows were just too much off topic ADD for me.
 

Shifty1897

Member
You could tell that most of the crew was jaded and/or burnt out from games. They really had something back in the day, RIP.
 

Grechy34

Member
Get woke go broke.

All they had to do was play video games and joke around. Their audience was 18 - 40 year old males that just wanted to watch some video games and laugh every once and awhile. They had it made. The sad thing is, I believe Jeff knew that and wanted to go in that direction, but instead they decided to be good soldiers in the culture war. After awhile it was painfully obvious they started watching everything they said on podcasts in order not to get the retardera or twitter mafia to go after them for one little line taken out of context. When you're focused on offending anyone it's tough to make good content. I really enjoyed the bombcast when they would spend the first thirty minutes to an hour just shooting the shift and talking about life/old stories. I think they probably stopped doing that out of fear of the woke crowd going after them. Some of Jeff's stories were hilarious and probably did/would have offended someone.

I remember not really caring about the split of east/west, although I did miss Vinny and Jeff's chemistry. I think the company cultural downfall started when they hired Austin Walker. I still listened to the bombcast after that but tuned out for anything that had Walker in it. They then hired Ben who has a voice for print and a face for radio and Abby was actually fine to listen to but just didn't have very much video game knowledge at all. It's clear she was hired only for being a female. Which is fine I guess, but you get you get when don't hire based on quality. I stopped listening to the bombcast weekly when Ben joined. His voice was just too grating and I didn't really think he had that decent of input. It was bad per say but it just random commentary without insight.

I will say, Dan leaving was a big oof. I think he culturally fit in perfect with the GB crew and I enjoyed listening to him.

Overall, Jeff is really the only one who I care to follow. I hope he can turn things around get GB back on track. I know he isn't reading this thread because neogaf=nazis in the great video game culture war, but my one piece of advice is to drop the woke culture war bs, don't care about offending people, and make content where you play games and jack around with other guys. If that happens, I'll gladly subscribe to whatever service GB becomes.

Dude have you listened to their woke coverage of 6 days in Fallujah? They aren't going to change anything bro. Very difficult to pull back on that shit now. Geoff is awesome, and he seems happier when he's doing streams/things by himself.
 

rofif

Can’t Git Gud
Just thinking of my favourite bombcast moment. I think it's the one where Dan said he'd never eaten salad or mayonnaise. Everyone was like WTF. I've never been so dumfounded but engrossed in a conversation as that.
For me it was 2011 goty and sr3 vs skyrim. Wrong game won... It should be sr3
But real deal was dark souls which they still did not at all trained about :p
 
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small_law

Member
It was bound to happen. Personality-driven video game sites are a relic of the 2000s and early teens. YouTube, Twitch, etc. became the places an entire generation goes for that type of content. Jeff is far too internet savvy not to have seen this coming years ago.

That's why it's felt like they've been mailing it in for a few years now. I still listen every once in a while to the podcast. A great deal of time is spent complaining about evil corporations and fast food. They've clearly been struggling for sponsors too. One of the pre-roll ads for the podcast recently was Jeff reading copy for dick cream. I'm not joking. it was sad.

Jeff's a few years older than me, so He's instantly relatable. Even when I would disagree with what he had to say about a game, I would come to see his point about it, if not change my opinion entirely and ultimately agree with him. When that whole thing at Gamespot went down, it demonstrated to me that he had integrity. I always wanted his opinion about games. frankly, it's the only one I ever gave a shit about.

The fact is Jeff and everyone my age has officially become too old to relate to anyone in their mid-20s or younger, the core video game audience. I'm a professor and I can tell you that all of my cultural references have become completely irrelevant in the past few years. You can't even make a dick and fart joke anymore without an outrage mob burning down your life.

The guys a giant bomb just aged out. It was going to happen and that day is come. It's coming for all the sites from the 2000s and early 2010s, or at least the ones that are left.

And by the way, I really fucking miss Ryan Davis.
 
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bender

What time is it?


Jeff talks a little bit about the whole situation here and his feelings about the whole thing


I haven't really paid attention to GiantBomb for a good year plus beyond the random QuickLook that appears in my YT feed. I had no idea that GB reported up through Jeff Bakalar. Jeff G. sounds committed to running as far down the road as he can with whatever the next iteration of GiantBomb is. I'm really curious what he means by brining in more voices to the site, but I'd be lying if my initial reaction is that is missing the point of what made the site special in the first place. It was just a bunch of dudes, who were friends, doing more gonzo styled video coverage who happened to really good access to the industry and who you trusted to have integrity because of their years of experiences at larger publications.

Then again, maybe making it more "freelance" (assuming that's what Jeff means by more voices) isn't the worst idea. I think they've always kind of stumbled with new hires starting with Patrick. I was never a fan of Klepick's on air personality from his 1Up days, but he was a good news person and that's where his passion is and that's not exactly why you went to GiantBomb. Austin was a bit of a sore thumb too and he like Patrick, felt more like GiantBomb was more of a rest stop for them, rather than wanting to be there in the long run. Though in Austin's case, it felt more like a stepping stone for bigger and better things. Both of those guys were smart enough and charismatic enough to make it work even if the fit wasn't perfect. Dan was probably the best hire and probably would have been even better if he was involved in the basement days. Everyone one else was varying degrees of a swing and a miss and there never seemed to be a good way to course correct. I guess that's all a long winded way of saying that with freelance, if you miss, it's a lot easier to move on and if they hit, they can re-contract them or move them to a fulltime position should something be available. That's probably how they should have done hiring in the first place.

I know it's hard to walk away from something you created and maybe it's Jeff's plan b, but I really think he should have cashed in on the wave of Youtube/Twitch personalities. He and Vinny would probably have the easiest time of garnering an audience that could eclipse what they are making today. I'm actually confident Brad and Alex could as well to a lesser extent, just based on the GB audience. Jeff's E3 couch talks were great. Lining up guest would be no problem for him. I'm sure Phil Spencer would be happy to do a monthly or quarterly interviews.

It's a weird place as a lapsed GB fan. My biggest gripes in the last few years is all the new personalities were varying degrees of nails on chalkboard. When most of those folks left, I kind of hoped that getting back to the core would bring them back their roots. Their content product values continued to dip which is in stark contrast to independent YT'ers/Twitch Streamers. Hell, just look at what Dan has done. It also felt like their idea of new content was to lay that burden on the new hires and most of that content, personalities aside, was lame. The more you step away from it, the more you see that Ryan and Dan were probably the largest driving factors to new content ideas. You should have your new hires producing some tried and true content while the experienced folks workshop and test out new ideas.

Sorry for the brain dump. I like Jeff and I wish him all the best. I've been in is situation before with a flailing company and not wanting to let go. I can't imagine having the three other principle members all exit at the same time. I hope he turns it around.
 

small_law

Member
They had plenty of opportunity to make LOTS of quality and varied streams over the last year and a half when everyone was home and they could easily make it happen. They got lazy.
They got lazy way before last year. Jeff's too internet savvy not to have figured out the writing was on the wall four or five years ago. It had to be crushing to know that YouTube, Twitch, and middle age were making the site more obsolete by the day. If you go back and listen to the GOTY podcasts from the year they went through the release calendar rather than have categories, it's pretty clear they're mailing it in. COVID probably gave them a year more than they should have had.

It's sad. Those 2000's-era sites were run by people who actually loved games. Now it's Amazon and Google who are in it just to monetize the shit out of you.
 

Bridges

Member
I haven't really paid attention to GiantBomb for a good year plus beyond the random QuickLook that appears in my YT feed. I had no idea that GB reported up through Jeff Bakalar.
This is only a recent change that happened with the acquisition. Kinda funny though that he spent so many years as the "Guest" on the Beastcast getting (jokingly) shit on pretty much every episode only to then basically become their boss.
 

Northeastmonk

Gold Member
No podcast this week. I use to listen to them at work years ago. More recently I’ve listened to them on the road. Best part was it made up for driving a couple hours. It’s very sad.

edit: the podcast list just loaded for me. I see it now.
 
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48086

Member


Jeff talks a little bit about the whole situation here and his feelings about the whole thing


Man, it sounds like he's had a rough year. On top of 2020 too. Having to eat in the garage every night after your wife and daughter go to bed? On top of worrying about your wife and probably feeling a little guilty that she's so sick and there's nothing you can do. On top of knowing your business is falling apart. On top of knowing you're probably going to lose some friendships. I genuinely feel sorry the guy and hope he's taking care of his mental health. I hope he has close friends outside of GB that he can reach out to and just rant about life to.

Dude have you listened to their woke coverage of 6 days in Fallujah? They aren't going to change anything bro. Very difficult to pull back on that shit now. Geoff is awesome, and he seems happier when he's doing streams/things by himself.

Lol, no I didn't listen to that but I'm 100% sure I wouldn't be able to finish it.
 

small_law

Member
A generalist gaming podcast just doesn't work these days. I tried on a few occasions to listen to GB. The problem I always had with it is that when they are talking about a game or genre you give absolutely no shits about, say fighting games which they would often discuss, it was mind numbingly boring. There is just too much competition with specialist youtube/twitch channels.

The only solution to this was to be so entertaining that people listen despite not liking all of the content. This relies on carefully selecting the personalities that mesh well together. They hit gold with Dan but not so much with the other new hires and even some of the long time people that needed to be carried (Alex and Brad).

Also the woke craze really crushed them. Trying to be entertaining in today's environment is very hard, especially doing it live. You basically have to be at Bill Burr skill level if you are trying to be funny, or give up entirely and just be informative. There is absolutely zero space for a non professional trying to be simultaneously funny and not be cancelled with live shows. Zero. It cannot be done.
If you go back and watch some of the very early content, there is no fucking way they would get away with that today. Ryan was what glued them together early on. His sense of humor isn't anything close to acceptable in this climate.

I don't blame them for becoming more political. It's a cultural trend that no one will shut up about politics. Brad was always borderline irritating about it, getting in little jabs in here and there, but he got incredibly pretentious over the past two or three years. I turned off the podcast a lot because Brad got sand in his vagina and just had to tell us about it.

And I'm not too worried about them finding gainful employment. If I was 42 and all I had done for 20 years was make video game-based internet content, I'd be concerned about my relevance to society. But these guys know everybody in video games. They'll end up somewhere, but I doubt it'll be together.
 
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Bridges

Member
Got a timestamp? That's a long video.
He starts talking about it around 10ish minutes and stops talking about it around 16ish minutes, give or take. All the stuff relevant to this thread is at the beginning, but admittedly I didn't watch for much longer when he changed topics.
 
Really seems like to me Red Ventures offered anyone who wanted to leave following the acquisition a severance. There must have been a couple month long grace period for employees to give it some thought. Abby and Ben took theirs early but Vinny, Brad, and Alex were initially thinking of staying on. Some disagreements on the future of the site must have happened and Vinny decided to just take the package before the grace period ends and move on. It's the only thing I can think of to explain all three of them leaving at the same time. It really is bizarre.
 
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Deleted member 17706

Unconfirmed Member
I've been avoiding Giant Bomb for a while because I did not like what it became in recent years, but I'm excited to see what Jeff ends up doing with it next. I used to be a big fan of both Vinny and Brad, but they've certainly changed to the point I really don't enjoy listening to what they have to say anymore, so I won't miss them. The less said about Alex the better, to be honest. Hopefully this can kind of be a fresh start that lets Jeff focus more on something smaller but cool in its own right.
 

sn0man

Member
It's only an hour and a half, but it's a really emotional and sweet swan song for Giant Bomb, but also for anyone who grew up in and around the tech sector, as a worker or a hobbyist. And, Vinny's final goodbye to Ryan in the closing moments was extremely classy, kind, and impactful.
I can’t listen to that. Your words are enough for now. I’ve been listening to the bombast in fits and spurts. I go back and forth between other sports and tech podcasts and back to the bombcast. Knowing that everyone left but a select few makes me feel like I need to stretch it out.
It sounds like they enlisted for the culture wars in an especially annoying way. I’m sure I would have found it insufferable and it would have made me genuinely disappointed at these people I invested so much time and attention in up to that point.
I think it depends on how open you are to others perspectives. I’d rather hear an opinion filtered through somewhere like the bombcast than someone I’m not sure is willing to just state their true feelings. With the bombcast group, for me personally, I felt they towed the line while also being themselves.
Then at some point, GiantBomb decided to hire two completely wet-blankets of people (Ben and Abbie) who might be perfectly decent people with valuable things to day, but are the exact opposite of entertaining...which is made all the more apparent by joining shortly after their argubly most entertaining personality left (Dan Ryckert).
I think initially Ben and Abby were rough but Dan and Abby overlapped and Beastcast with Dan really grew her quite a bit.

I found myself really appreciating Ben more as time went on. He was willing to play the foil or the villain to Jeff in all many of little banter. At first it felt like he was just trying to fit in and he probably was, but as time went on he’d start something and Jeff would piggy back off his bit. It was really pretty wholesome and fun.

Jan is trying to do that now and I appreciate it but he’s still new.

I hope Ben comes back on for some more Ranking of Fighters to get a lab coat. (Even if it’s yanked away from him like Lucy and Charlie Brown.)
 

Bridges

Member

The last Beastcast possibly ever. I'm only 17 minutes in, but so far they have discussed the announcement of everyone leaving and firmly said that there were no contracts with payouts like people have been speculating.
 

deriks

4-Time GIF/Meme God
Since Drew left, I kinda got no interest in GB. Wasn't because he was the best of it, because it wasn't, but GB was like a champion that lost his arm. Time to change, man

I miss the old days
 

Jezbollah

Member
Yeah that video by Jeff just firms my own opinion that Vinny, Brad and Alex were presented a vision of where the new owners of Giant Bomb wanted to go and basically nope'd out of there.

I think we'll see an influx of new talent at GB, hired for whatever reason, and the comparisons with Jeff remaining will exist and eventually GB will be something very different to even a couple of years ago. GB may still exist, but the (insert cringe alert) remaining soul of it wont.
 
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I'm afraid Abby annoyed me - I got a warning from Recetera when I said as much which I hope doesn't go for the Neogaf. I just found her really self obsessed and would just talk if there was a gap in a conversation even when she didn't have anything constructive to say. I was relieved when she left but they kept inviting her back.
 

Evil Calvin

Afraid of Boobs
I'm not sure how your post correlates to mine.
You said " I just think the rise of influencers on Youtube quickly caught up to and surpassed what GiantBomb offered." I was saying that with more effort they could have been just as good as the influencers and produced a ton of quality content.
 

Bboy AJ

My dog was murdered by a 3.5mm audio port and I will not rest until the standard is dead
I listened and watched nearly everything they put out but the last couple of years have been weak. In 2020, I stopped consuming their content entirely and canceled my premium subscription. The pandemic really accelerated their downfall. You could really tell they lacked what made the show great. Zero ambition, excitement, and creativity. If they don’t care, I don’t care. Adios.

I have great memories of the site. I hope what’s new will be great. But boy am I glad it’s put out of its current state’s misery. Looking forward to where it goes, from afar and no longer as an engaged fan.
 

MetalRain

Member
Yeah, I've been watching their content for years, decade or so. Maybe it's time for me to do something else as well.

I loved their kind of weird content like PlayStation demo discs and comfort of that weekly moment with Unprofessional Fridays.

As Vinny pointed out in the podcast there most certainty was big personal sacrifices to make Giant Bomb happen, even if it didn't show in the videos.
 
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sn0man

Member
Yeah that video by Jeff just firms my own opinion that Vinny, Brad and Alex were presented a vision of where the new owners of Giant Bomb wanted to go and basically nope'd out of there.

I think we'll see an influx of new talent at GB, hired for whatever reason, and the comparisons with Jeff remaining will exist and eventually GB will be something very different to even a couple of years ago. GB may still exist, but the (insert cringe alert) remaining soul of it wont.
Listening to beadtcast (I’ll admit my first) and then Jeff G talking. It really feels like RV and/or Jeff gave a mandate regarding what was needed to move the site forward and the old three didn’t have the desire to keep going.

Jeff said “it fucking sucks and is a bummer” so the possibility is he wanted something different. That said, it also sounds like he’s going to try and make it work. God speed Jeff, you found Drew and Dan once, you can find new folks again.
 

YodaBB

Member
Seems pretty clear to me that Vinny/Alex/Brad got booted by RV, just like Abby and Ben were. They didn't bring in enough money to justify their cost, pretty simple. Maybe technically they were offered contracts at a lot less money or reduced roles but whatever, it's the same thing - RV wanted them out. They're probably not going to admit it publicly because they don't want to affect any future job prospects (very wise) or they've signed NDAs tied to their leaving packages.
There's no way 3 people in their 40s, one with kids, are all going to jack in a well paid job with good benefits in the current climate, especially not all on the exact same day. The only time I've seen that is a when a group of employees were trying to screw over the company by leaving them short staffed and they went off to start a competing company. Vinny especially just doesn't seem like the kind of dude to do that to Jeff/Jeff.
I can't see them all being replaced, maybe one new hire to help Jeff G out or move someone over from GS. I have no idea why they need 2 video producers now, maybe they're planning on producing a lot more videos....of something? Rories got to be even more sweaty than he usually is.
 

gt86

Member
I'm afraid Abby annoyed me - I got a warning from Recetera when I said as much which I hope doesn't go for the Neogaf. I just found her really self obsessed and would just talk if there was a gap in a conversation even when she didn't have anything constructive to say. I was relieved when she left but they kept inviting her back.
Like and like like like and like the game was so satisfying like.
 
Seems pretty clear to me that Vinny/Alex/Brad got booted by RV, just like Abby and Ben were.
I think there is actually a decent amount of evidence for this. If you look at all 3 of their twitters they all mention spending some time away and then figuring out what they are doing next. It doesn't sound like the usual "I'm leaving for a new job" post. Also, 3 senior staff members leaving on the same day sounds like lay-offs not bleeding. The only real piece of evidence that does not fit with is Jeff in his garage chat implying that he is not happy they didn't chose to come along on the site's next iteration, whatever that means. That could mean they were offered some kind of pay out? Maybe, as you, mentioned diminished roles or pay? I have a feeling we may never know I doubt we will ever get a tell all book for a niche video game site.
 
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