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Article: The Big Ferocious GPU Cannot Maintain 60 FPS in 4K When Running Watch Dogs: Legion With Ultra Settings...Without Ray Tracing!

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Future games not for Watch Dogs. If a game in future for XSX for example only achieves 30fps at 4K you will find it difficult or even impossible to get 60fps at 4K at ultra on a 3090. The gap between the consoles and top GPUs isn't big enough for a >2x rasterization improvement which is what you would be asking for at ultra settings.

Let's determine whether or not you're right.

The 3070 is 20 Ampere teraflops and is equal in performance to the 2080Ti, which is 14.21 Turing teraflops. Hence, we can conclude that an Ampere teraflop is 0.71 Turing teraflops (14.2/20 = 0.71) and that the RTX 3080 and RTX 3090 are 21.3 Turing teraflops and 25.56 Turing teraflops, respectively.

We know that the Xbox Series X is nearly equivalent to the 2080Ti in performance, which means that its performance is nearly equal to 14.2 Turing teraflops.

Hence, we can conclude that the RTX 3080 and the RTX 3090 are 1.5 times and 1.8 times, respectively, as powerful as the Xbox Series X in terms of graphical prowess.

So, I guess that you were right; neither card is over twice as powerful as the Xbox Series X.
 

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Let's determine whether or not you're right.

The 3070 is 20 Ampere teraflops and is equal in performance to the 2080Ti, which is 14.21 Turing teraflops. Hence, we can conclude that an Ampere teraflop is 0.71 Turing teraflops (14.2/20 = 0.71) and that the RTX 3080 and RTX 3090 are 21.3 Turing teraflops and 25.56 Turing teraflops, respectively.

We know that the Xbox Series X is nearly equivalent to the 2080Ti in performance, which means that its performance is nearly equal to 14.2 Turing teraflops.

Hence, we can conclude that the RTX 3080 and the RTX 3090 are 1.5 times and 1.8 times, respectively, as powerful as the Xbox Series X in terms of graphical prowess.

So, I guess that you were right; neither card is over twice as powerful as the Xbox Series X.

And even if both cards were exactly 2x more powerful than the XSX they would still require more than that to play at ultra and 60fps.
 

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Not surprised. Ultra settings, in most cases, are a waste of hardware resource. Visual/performance ratio is always terrible at those settings.

Not to mention this is Ubi we're talking about.
 
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BluRayHiDef

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And even if both cards were exactly 2x more powerful than the XSX they would still require more than that to play at ultra and 60fps.

I'm a bit disappointed by the results of my calculations. I conducted them not knowing what the results would indicate. Having said that, I'm still happy that I have both an RTX 3080 and 3090.

 
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A lot of RDR2's environments are sparse (plains or fields) and in the small cities the environments are gated off.

Has WD's got lots of NPCs, cars, buses etc moving about the streets? I haven't seen enough of it to see how graphically demanding it should be?
 

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Ubisoft really needs a new engine, whatever they have been using, it has been subpar in the last few years.
 
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Let's determine whether or not you're right.

The 3070 is 20 Ampere teraflops and is equal in performance to the 2080Ti, which is 14.21 Turing teraflops. Hence, we can conclude that an Ampere teraflop is 0.71 Turing teraflops (14.2/20 = 0.71) and that the RTX 3080 and RTX 3090 are 21.3 Turing teraflops and 25.56 Turing teraflops, respectively.

We know that the Xbox Series X is nearly equivalent to the 2080Ti in performance, which means that its performance is nearly equal to 14.2 Turing teraflops.

Hence, we can conclude that the RTX 3080 and the RTX 3090 are 1.5 times and 1.8 times, respectively, as powerful as the Xbox Series X in terms of graphical prowess.

So, I guess that you were right; neither card is over twice as powerful as the Xbox Series X.
We are getting the 2x series X gpu perf reveal from AMD tomorrow. Lets see how that compares to 3080.

I'm not sure you realise, but what you're basically saying is that 6800 XT is ~50% faster than 3080. I highly doubt that.
 

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We are getting the 2x series X gpu perf reveal from AMD tomorrow. Lets see how that compares to 3080.

I'm not sure you realise, but what you're basically saying is that 6800 XT is ~50% faster than 3080. I highly doubt that.

It's because he has SeriesX at 2080ti but it is more like a 2080 from what DF said.

I forgot about Nvidia's secret weapon: DLSS.

DLSS would solve that problem yes. I was talking about native resolutions mainly.
 
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What's the point of making these comparisons? Ultra settings are supposed to brute-force and push hardware to its limits, some developers choose to push it harder than others.

Ultra settings aren't supposed to be the baseline and it's dumb to compare them between different games to see how "optimized" they are.
 

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Whoever said that a 3090 was overkill for gaming is feeling pretty stupid right now.

Overkill...lol



News flash, broken and heavy games on pc are a reality.
 
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When your human characters look like barnyard animal, who the fuck cares if you can see a clock tower in a puddle.
 

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Let's determine whether or not you're right.

The 3070 is 20 Ampere teraflops and is equal in performance to the 2080Ti, which is 14.21 Turing teraflops. Hence, we can conclude that an Ampere teraflop is 0.71 Turing teraflops (14.2/20 = 0.71) and that the RTX 3080 and RTX 3090 are 21.3 Turing teraflops and 25.56 Turing teraflops, respectively.

We know that the Xbox Series X is nearly equivalent to the 2080Ti in performance, which means that its performance is nearly equal to 14.2 Turing teraflops.

Hence, we can conclude that the RTX 3080 and the RTX 3090 are 1.5 times and 1.8 times, respectively, as powerful as the Xbox Series X in terms of graphical prowess.

So, I guess that you were right; neither card is over twice as powerful as the Xbox Series X.

It fucking isn't
 

BluRayHiDef

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It fucking isn't

Consider the following article.

Article said:
Digital Foundry also got to see the Gears 5 benchmark running on the Xbox Series X and performance was almost identical to a PC equipped with an AMD Ryzen Threadripper 2950x and GeForce RTX 2080 Ti graphics card. So yeah, at least when it comes to running current-gen games, Microsoft’s new console stands up to (almost) the best PC hardware you can get.

 
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I'm a bit disappointed by the results of my calculations. I conducted them not knowing what the results would indicate. Having said that, I'm still happy that I have both an RTX 3080 and 3090.

Not as happy as you seem to be making this topic. Kind of odd behavior for someone that just spent over a couple thousand $$ on new GPUs.
 

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Not as happy as you seem to be making this topic. Kind of odd behavior for someone that just spent over a couple thousand $$ on new GPUs.
Odd behavior? I've blamed the poor performance on bad code, not insufficient hardware. I think that this game should be child's play for the RTX 3090 since the RTX 3090 can run RDR2 with ease even though RDR2 looks better than this game.
 
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They are real, watch dogs 2 animations were mostly trash, especially during combat.

It wasn't great in WD2. But in this video, it looks even worse. Extremely stiff animations, dudes running against objects without any reaction....

We will know for sure in two days when it releases.
 

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btw. is Watch Dogs Legion another Ubisoft game that looks and feels like free2play mmo but with higher budget?
 

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It wasn't great in WD2. But in this video, it looks even worse. Extremely stiff animations, dudes running against objects without any reaction....

We will know for sure in two days when it releases.
Dude, try to shoot people in wd2, animations are stiffer than a pornstar dick.

But yeah, they are pretty shitty here too.
 
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Source? The Gears 5 demo ran at 4k60 PC ultra settings + some extra UE4 features.

the DF xbox series x video where they showed the demo running. Its only one source, there arent any others . Yeah, the demo ran at 4k and Richard said its a bit bellow regular 2080.
 

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What a ridiculous and unnecessary socio-political post. Please keep social politics out of this thread.

I wish Ubisoft had kept social politics out of Watch Dogs: Legion.
 

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So, what's the argument for buying a PC instead of PS5/XSX?

1. Customizable settings
2. Modable graphics
3. More graphical power (and even more when new cards become available)
4. Higher frequency of discounts on games
5. Free online gameplay
6. Greater longevity of online servers
7. Access to Adult Only games
8. More benefits that I can't recall or am not aware of
 
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1. Customizable settings
2. Modable graphics
3. More graphical power (and even more when new cards become available)
4. Higher frequency of discounts on games
5. Free online gameplay
6. Greater longevity of online servers
7. Access to Adult Only games
8. More benefits that I can't recall or am not aware of

I'm currently a PC gamer and I understand all these arguments, my problem is the idea that you can spend 1500 dollars on a fancy GPU and barely out-perform the new consoles, if you outperform them at all at that.
 

BluRayHiDef

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I'm currently a PC gamer and I understand all these arguments, my problem is the idea that you can spend 1500 dollars on a fancy GPU and barely out-perform the new consoles, if you outperform them at all at that.
LOL @ barely. That's a very inaccurate word.

1. This is one game and is thus far an anomaly.

2. I'm pretty sure that the RTX 3090 can still run it with otherwise much higher settings than consoles consistently at 60 frames per second. More than likely the lowering of just one or two settings from Ultra to Very High would enable the RTX 3090 to run the game consistently at 60 frames per second while still rendering it with significantly better graphics.

3. DLSS would enable the RTX 3090 to render the game at 1440p with Ultra settings and upscale it to 4K with quality that is indistinguishable from native 4K; hence, the performance would be even greater than 60 frames per second.
 

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Why is it that these articles blame the GPU hardware for not being able to run games at whatever arbitrary setting they think up instead of holding the developers accountable for releasing games that aren't optimized for the available GPU specs? If ray tracing with ultra settings at 4K/60 was something the developer wanted to happen they should have architected for that, right? Or is it really the GPU manufacturer who is responsible for making developers look good?
 
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LOL @ barely. That's a very inaccurate word.

1. This is one game and is thus far an anomaly.

2. I'm pretty sure that the RTX 3090 can still run it with otherwise much higher settings than consoles consistently at 60 frames per second. More than likely the lowering of just one or two settings from Ultra to Very High would enable the RTX 3090 to run the game consistently at 60 frames per second while still rendering it with significantly better graphics.

3. DLSS would enable the RTX 3090 to render the game at 1440p with Ultra settings and upscale it to 4K with quality that is indistinguishable from native 4K; hence, the performance would be even greater than 60 frames per second.

None of that makes me feel like this is a great 1500 dollar purchase.
 

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I'm currently a PC gamer and I understand all these arguments, my problem is the idea that you can spend 1500 dollars on a fancy GPU and barely out-perform the new consoles, if you outperform them at all at that.

Well you have to consider that the 3090 is definitely not going to win any price to performance awards, and that this is one game that doesn't really show the full landscape.

Any PC gamer knows by now that some ultra settings in games only serve to kill performance. Not to get all tinfoil hat and all but I almost wonder if those settings are put in purposely sometimes only to show that the game is "maxing out" the high end cards.
 
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BluRayHiDef

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None of that makes me feel like this is a great 1500 dollar purchase.

The RTX 3090 was never advertised as a valuable purchase for gaming, which is why Nvidia declared that the RTX 3080 is their new flagship GPU. The RTX 3090 is a card that is primarily for production work but that can also render games very well due to being a bit more powerful than the new flagship.

I bought it because I was enamored with the collasal amount of VRAM, which should come in handy when editing videos in Movie Studio Platinum 17 (and when enabling Ultra quality textures in games at 4K), and because it's more powerful than the RTX 3080 to a degree that it can render certain games with certain settings at a consistent 60 frames per second or more while the RTX 3080 cannot (e.g. Control at 4K with maximum settings [including ray tracing] via DLSS 2.0).
 
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The RTX 3090 was never advertised as a valuable purchase for gaming, which is why Nvidia declared that the RTX 3080 is their new flagship GPU. The RTX 3090 is a card that is primarily for production work but that can also render games very well due to being a bit more powerful than the new flagship.

I bought it because I was enamored with the collasal amount of VRAM, which should come in handy when editing videos in Movie Studio Platinum 17 (and when enabling Ultra quality textures in games at 4K), and because it's more powerful than the RTX 3080 to a degree that it can render certain games with certain settings at a consistent 60 frames per second or more while the RTX 3080 cannot (e.g. Control at 4K with maximum settings [including ray tracing] via DLSS 2.0).

The 3080 is still 200 dollars more than a new console at base price, though.
 
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$1500....I guess I can be happy a $400-$500 console can run it at 4k at all.


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LOL dat $15 hunnit video card

 
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BluRayHiDef

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The 3080 is still 200 dollars more than a new console at base price, though.

And it's significantly more powerful than the consoles due to having a greater degree of computational power and it's smarter than the consoles due to its Tensor Cores, which enable it to learn how to intelligently upscale games.
 
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