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[FatKingBallman]

Lol, this is becoming hilarious. This is Capcom engine, it comes at no surprise to me that the x have better performance with rt, actually, if you look at the relative performance from dmc to re. It is the ps5 that improve the most on rt mode. I have said there is no pattern. Engines will dictate which game run better on the platforms. As seen recently, crash 4 and Tony hawk favor the ps5. Outsiders favor the series x.

Dunno from where you quoted his post, can't find it anymore. Anyway, said this around 2 months ago

It's basically almost every win for PS5 because Phil Spencer "most powerful console" narrative crap. Fps difference between all in this game is what....0.7% difference. As long PS5 with almost 2 TF deficit shows graphical settings and performance on par with XSX, it's basically a win for PS5. In vast majority of games XSX didn't showed almost 2TF difference in games ( that includes fps advantage, graphicall and resolution advantage - all in 1.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

I can’t take any comparisons of this game seriously after those documents leaked talking about technical parity.

What are all of these 1080p/50fps comments though? Some inside joke I am missing? Doesn’t the PS5 run the same as XSX just with a tiny frame rate difference?

 

[xion4360]

blue team
slightly better on xsx = not a 2TF difference!
slightly better on PS5 = another one!
any amount better on SX = photo mode

green team
slightly better on SX = win
slightly better on ps5 - VRR
any amount better on sx = better GPU

 

[Umbasaborne]

Too true, what cry babies.

 

[assurdum]

Are you sure ? You do seem to take it personally and act like you're personally ofended because microsoft placed more performant hardware in their console and sony didnt. Laying out specs bothers you ? Its the hard truth. Hard numbers. No need to be offended that sony has a weaker console. Its just a corporation after all

Wait a second. It's me offended and attached on a brand because I said the difference are virtually imperceivable but you, who continues to repeat the Xbox are always higher specs blablabla superiority here and there, you are supposed to be the less attached and more objective one there? Lol.

 

[elliot5]

I can’t take any comparisons of this game seriously after those documents leaked talking about technical parity.

What are all of these 1080p/50fps comments though? Some inside joke I am missing? Doesn’t the PS5 run the same as XSX just with a tiny frame rate difference?

Technical parity just means you can't slap RT or HDR on Xbox/other platform without including it in a capable PlayStation, barring technical limitations like last gen consoles not being able to run RT. Doesn't mean one needs to be handicapped... it was nonsense from the start.

 

[Soulblighter31]

Wait a second. It's me offended because I said the difference are virtually imperceivable or a person who continue to repeat the specs are higher as you?

You just seem to take this really hard for some reason. As if you bought shares in the wrong company. Its ok. Stating facts like how series x is stronger should not botter anyone, since its just stating the truth

 

[Stuart360]

Lol, this is becoming hilarious. This is Capcom engine, it comes at no surprise to me that the x have better performance with rt, actually, if you look at the relative performance from dmc to re. It is the ps5 that improve the most on rt mode. I have said there is no pattern. Engines will dictate which game run better on the platforms. As seen recently, crash 4 and Tony hawk favor the ps5. Outsiders favor the series x.

I was joking. I had white text but the mods deleted the post. Sorry mods, was just having a laugh..

At the end of the day, the diffrerences are going to be minimal the whole gen. PS5 will be the lead platform for most devs this gen due to the success of PS4. So devs will concentrate on getting PS5 versions to where they want to be, then other versions will follow.

And i hope it stays like this for the rest of the gen as these comparisons are getting a little tiresome. If there were huge differences between versions then sure go for it, but for these tiny differences most people wouldnt even notice, yeah getting tiresome.

 

[OneTruth]

and also have an identical machine at 100 bucks less, if you're going to shit talk, do it better.

Where PS5 Disc version cost 100$ less than XSX??. In blue world??.

 

[xion4360]

I was joking. I had white text but the mods deleted the post. Sorry mods, was just having a laugh..

At the end of the day, the diffrerences are going to be minimal the whole gen. PS5 will be the lead platform for most devs this gen due to the success of PS4. So devs will concentrate on getting PS5 versions to where they want to be, then other versions will follow.

And i hope it stays like this for the rest of the gen as these comparisons are getting a little tiresome. If there were huge differences between versions then sure go for it, but for these tiny differences most people wouldnt even notice, yeah getting tiresome.

that lead platform thing was a biproduct of ps3 and 360 having such different hardware..thats not a thing anymore...all cross platform games are developed on PC and then optimized to each platform

 

[lh032]

Actually it performs slightly better on series x.

pretty underwhelming for a 12TF console.

 

[assurdum]

You just seem to take this really hard for some reason. As if you bought shares in the wrong company. Its ok. Stating facts like how series x is stronger should not botter anyone, since its just stating the truth

I ever said the Xbox is the weaker one or not the more powerful? I just stating multiplat game are virtually identical for the most. It's another fact. Can you live stating that truth? Or we want to continue to reply about the superior hardware specs (as if anyone has ever argued otherwise)?

 

[supernova8]

yes..RT off

Fair enough, cheers!

 

[Stuart360]

that lead platform thing was a biproduct of ps3 and 360 having such different hardware..thats not a thing anymore...all cross platform games are developed on PC and then optimized to each platform

ALL games are developed on PC's, then ported to the devkits to tidy up. I was talking more about targeting PS5 specs when developing, so that version will be good, then cleaning up other versions after.
Fact is there are not going to be huge differences this gen with any game, outside of maybe the odd game having a noticeable higher resolution on XSX, but its not like PS5 will ever have a game with low resolution anyway.

 

[Tomeru]

Where PS5 Disc version cost 100$ less than XSX??. In blue world??.

You cant buy digitally on xsex?!

 

[xion4360]

ALL games are developed on PC's, then ported to the devkits to tidy up. I was talking more about targeting PS5 specs when developing, so that version will be good, then cleaning up other versions after.
Fact is there are not going to be huge differences this gen with any game, outside of maybe the odd game having a noticeable higher resolution on XSX, but its not like PS5 will ever have a game with low resolution anyway.

you wouldnt expect big differences with such similar specs, but Gaf will blow up over the dumbest thing regardless.

 

[BigLee74]

Anyway, my point regarding the stats (I have one, unlike half the folk in here), is that the XSS RT version needs sorted. It’s an unacceptably wild range that benefits nobody. Res needs lowered, or frame rate capped.

 

[BoxFresh123]

Parity clause..........

.........Capcom about to get sued out the ass

(I enjoyed the demo though)

 

[Topher]

Sony fanboys downplay the 1-5 fps xsx advantage? But If it was the other way around they'd make sure even their neighbor knows about it.

Hmmmm, from the Crash 4 comparison....

Still, it's seriously embarrassing

Ps5 29250 (99.09%) XsX 28946 (98.57%)

0.52% of advantage, and most of this nothingness is during the cutscenes and not the gameplay. lol

 

[RobRSG]

blue team
slightly better on xsx = not a 2TF difference!
slightly better on PS5 = another one!
any amount better on SX = photo mode

green team
slightly better on SX = win
slightly better on ps5 - VRR
any amount better on sx = better GPU

It’s funny and sad at the same time, I’d prefer that everyone could have all boxes and fucking enjoy the games instead of fighting over them.

Having that said, congrats XSX for the rare but important win.

Spoiler: ...

Real Winner is PC. Does whatever you
want without
Checkerboarding.

 

[Genx3]

I mean a win is a win but if it matters to you is another question. If I had an XSS and a PS5 I would definitely pick up the PS5 version no questions asked. But if I had a PS5 and an XSX visuals probably wouldn't be a consideration since they are almost always extremely close. It would probably boil down to controller features or content.

So having VRR is not an advantage for XSX?

I guess that's why Sony TV's that advertised VRR capability still don't support it because apparently its not an important feature for Sony's customers.
Any game that doesn't run locked 60fps and drops frames is going to feel smoother with VRR when combined with a display that supports VRR.

 

[sircaw]

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Where PS5 Disc version cost 100$ less than XSX??. In blue world??.

I am talking about the ps5 disc version and the digital version, their performance is identical and the DE, it's 100 bucks cheaper.

THAT's A WINNER in anyone's books.

 

[AGRacing]

I ran the demo on PC last night... 6900 XT with Ray Tracing ON. Lots of maxed detail settings. Quick and dirty... but the framerate was sky high. I wish Metrics overlay recorded... but we are talking 120 fps at 1440p with RT ON.

I believe this is one of the first AMD optimized RT implications on PC. We have consoles to thank I'm sure.

 

[II_JumPeR_I]

Identical as it should be!

As it shouldnt be.
Imagine buying a new graphics card but still getting the same performance as your old graphics card. As it should be right?

 

[RoadHazard]

How can there be 0 dropped frames if the framerate is not a perfect 60 at all times? Confusing.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Platforms PS5 RT On Xbox Series X RT On Xbox Series S RT On Frame Amounts Game Frames 29092 29204 20189 Video Frames 29308 29307 29308 Frame Tearing Statistics Total Torn Frames 0 0 0 Lowest Torn Line - - - Frame Height 2160 2160 2160 Frame Time Statistics Mean Frame Time 16.79ms 16.73ms 24.19ms Median Frame Time 16.67ms 16.67ms 16.67ms Maximum Frame Time 33.33ms 33.33ms 50ms Minimum Frame Time 16.67ms 16.67ms 16.67ms 95th Percentile Frame Time 16.67ms 16.67ms 33.33ms 99th Percentile Frame Time 16.67ms 16.67ms 33.33ms Frame Rate Statistics Mean Frame Rate 59.56fps 59.79fps 41.33fps Median Frame Rate 60fps 60fps 42fps Maximum Frame Rate 60fps 60fps 58fps Minimum Frame Rate 46fps 48fps 31fps 5th Percentile Frame Rate 57fps 59fps 36fps 1st Percentile Frame Rate 54fps 54fps 34fps Frame Time Counts 16.67ms 28876 (99.26%) 29101 (99.65%) 11072 (54.84%) 33.33ms 216 (0.74%) 103 (0.35%) 9115 (45.15%) 50ms 0 (0%) 0 (0%) 2 (0.01%) Other Dropped Frames 0 0 0 Runt Frames 0 0 0 Runt Frame Thresholds 20 rows 20 rows 20 rows

 

[pasterpl]

No. You know gamers actually care about stuff other than a few frames. Like for example, the Dual Sense. Which provides a much more tangible difference than a few frames nobody notices when the FPS counter isn’t turned on.

So now with games that are performing better on xbsex (expecting more games to perform better on xbsex) narrative will be dual sense? What else, except dual sense players care about? I am just curious. Also what about games that doesn’t support dual sense?

 

[RobRSG]

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I am talking about the ps5 disc version and the digital version, their performance is identical and the DE, it's 100 bucks cheaper.

THAT's A WINNER in anyone's books.

It’s so incredible when people conveniently spin that much to turn less in more.

 

[FatKingBallman]

So having VRR is not an advantage for XSX?

I guess that's why Sony TV's that advertised VRR capability still don't support it because apparently its not an important feature for Sony's customers.
Any game that doesn't run locked 60fps and drops frames is going to feel smoother with VRR when combined with a display that supports VRR.

Every damn game by every analysts are analysed in its pure form, so, without VRR, as it should be.

So now with games that are performing better on xbsex (expecting more games to perform better on xbsex) narrative will be dual sense

I'm sure you're damn proud how 1.8 TF advantage provides an overall 0.7% fps advantage. But of course, Dualsense support provides a better gameplay immersion, that is not a some narrative.

 

[Ultra Donny]

Played it on my series X yesterday. Impressed by the graphics and performance. I'm a little confused how this comparison can spark a discussion. On paper the X has a minimal edge which in reality is unnoticeable.

 

[DenchDeckard]

This thread turned Out great! Lol I think it’s the curse of the exclusivity deal. Valhalla had marketing rights with Xbox and ran worse. This is ps and Xbox is the best place to play

peeps, don’t downplay vrr or freesync, or g sync. It’s a gamechanger and sonys customers should be demanding it. Sony fucking promised it.

 

[sircaw]

I think it's been a long tough week for some people with the Success of Returnal and seeing the R+C trailer.

Let's hope and pray the next resident evil patch does not switch that massive fps difference the other way round. It will be heartbreaking to see.

 

[Thirty7ven]

So now with games that are performing better on xbsex (expecting more games to perform better on xbsex) narrative will be dual sense? What else, except dual sense players care about? I am just curious. Also what about games that doesn’t support dual sense?

You’re really trying hard to make Xbsex happen aren’t you? There’s no narrative, just cold hard facts. The performance difference is minuscule and there are other more tangible differences.

But keep trying to make that sex thing work, and keep creating a fantasy in your head.

 

[Werewolfgrandma]

But of course, Dualsense support provides a better gameplay immersion, that is not a some narrative.

100% opinion. It's great if you like it, but Haptics can't be considered a all around positive since many don't like them.

 

[SkylineRKR]

S does a good job. It was supposed to run 1440p/30fps in RT mode but apparently its unlocked and hovers higher. Capcom can easily patch this and lock the fps.

 

[skit_data]

So now with games that are performing better on xbsex (expecting more games to perform better on xbsex) narrative will be dual sense? What else, except dual sense players care about? I am just curious. Also what about games that doesn’t support dual sense?

Why not? People are using ”at least the Series consoles have VRR” in the games PS5 perform 0,5% better i framerate graphs. I’d say its more relevant than VRR to 97,5% of the potential buyers.

Dualsense support and smaller game sizes on PS5 vs better BC in general and VRR on Series X are the only mentionable differences so far if we are to be completely honest to ourselves.

 

[sircaw]

100% opinion. It's great if you like it, but Haptics can't be considered a all around positive since many don't like them.

totally agree, i hate power steering and electric windows in my car.

 

[Werewolfgrandma]

totally agree, i hate power steering and electric windows in my car.

Weird comment. I drive my dad's 63 Nova with no power steering and love it. Can't stand winding Windows though.

 

[geordiemp]

So some engines and game setups run 0.5 % better on ps5, some run 0.5 % better on XSX



Whats funny is that some posters are getting excited and claiming victories.

Fast clocks cancel out the extra CU, extra CU cancel out the fast clocks. Who would of guessed ?

All I can say is the series S should be ditched.

 

[DForce]

I can’t take any comparisons of this game seriously after those documents leaked talking about technical parity.

What are all of these 1080p/50fps comments though? Some inside joke I am missing? Doesn’t the PS5 run the same as XSX just with a tiny frame rate difference?

That technical parity wasn't about graphical parity. This has been explained countless of times before.

The XsX isn't locked at 60fps on RT mode and that alone should tell you that there's not enough headroom left (or none at all) for improvement.

 

[Fredrik]

Why is this thread so long?
Oh... There is a 2fps difference...

If those frames are important, here’s the tip of the day, it runs well on oldish PCs too for those of you who bought a PC last gen to play MS exclusives. Full controller support as well.
1080ti, 1080p, prioritize graphics, won’t beat the new consoles on visuals but it runs beautifully

 

[MasterCornholio]

Going back to Dusk Golems rumor and assuming that it was true. I'm seriously impressed with how quickly the developers managed to turn around the PS5 version. Definitely a testament to the ease of development on the platform and should bode well for future games.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Going back to Dusk Golems rumor and assuming that it was true. I'm seriously impressed with how quickly the developers managed to turn around the PS5 version. Definitely a testament to the ease of development on the platform and should bode well for future games.

He admitted that he made it up, do keep up.

 

[ethomaz]

Where PS5 Disc version cost 100$ less than XSX??. In blue world??.

There are a PS5 version that plays the same games identical at $100 less.

 

[MasterCornholio]

I mean, we know for a fact that the hardware specs in xbox are higher across the board. Higher cpu clock speed, higher ram bandwidth and a pretty nice uplift in gpu power. Common sense points that games performing better on series x should be standard. Who knows why they werent in the first couple of months, but they seem to have figured out whatever they had to

Well it could just be dependent on the needs of the engine. Also the XSX isn't superior in every single way which could account for any advantages the PS5 might have. Your definitely not comparing a high end PC to a high end PC from 5 years ago.

 

[Trogdor1123]

This is a actually the first RE game I have been interested in. Kind of excited to get it soon

 

[MasterCornholio]

He admitted that he made it up, do keep up.

I've seen his console wars comment but I didn't see where he admitted to fabricating the information. Maybe it's something he said after that?

 

[DeepEnigma]

I've seen his console wars comment but I didn't see where he admitted to fabricating the information. Maybe it's something he said after that?

Results speak for themselves.

 

[AutumnLeaves]

Why is this thread so long?
Oh... There is a 2fps difference...

If those frames are important, here’s the tip of the day, it runs well on oldish PCs too for those of you who bought a PC last gen to play MS exclusives. Full controller support as well.
1080ti, 1080p, prioritize graphics, won’t beat the new consoles on visuals but it runs beautifully

Good to know. 1080P is more than enough for me.

 

[AgentP]

Sony fanboys downplay the 1-5 fps xsx advantage? But If it was the other way around they'd make sure even their neighbor knows about it.

You seem to forget why they give you hell, they took 6+ months of 12TF vs 10TF and a 20% expected advantage. How's that going?