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[Toxi]

This is kinda apropos of nothing, but that picture reminded me that I'm so glad that they've been putting more effort in the Shiny recolorings lately. Some Gen 6 shinies looked amazing -- you can tell that shinies such as Aegislash and Clauncher had their color changes carefully designed.

I kind of wish that they went back and touched up some of the Gen 1 & 2 affected by the Vomit Green disease (Mewtwodragonitescizoreugh)

You're not a fan of puke green and hot pink?

 

[Lil'DigiOp]

I know what it doesn't mean: this won't be a game with only new Pokémon (until the game is beaten)

Man, I miss Black & White.

This is what I dislike about Black & White.. Its not even the reboot because I admit that its somewhat fresh.

But it highlights how Gen V mons are just not even that good compared to the entire national dex.

 

[MegaManTrigger]

This is what I dislike about Black & White.. Its not even the reboot because I admit that its somewhat fresh.

But it highlights how Gen V mons are just not even that good compared to the entire national dex.

Not good in terms of what, design? Because utility wise, there are quite a few Gen V Pokemon that are really powerful.

 

[Sandfox]

I'm still curious how the "it all comes together" line from the reveal trailer will be relevant in the game

I assumed that was referring to the concept art shown in the trailer.

 

[Kyzer]

Is that what Mega are for?

Nah more like evolve and win a gym battle as opposed to level too much and miss your chance to get a level up move because you can't evolve until the battle is over

 

[Lil'DigiOp]

Not good in terms of what, design? Because utility wise, there are quite a few Gen V Pokemon that are really powerful.

Utility. I love Darmanitan and Galvantula. I hear Scrafty, Excavalier, Bisharp and Krookodile is good as well. I had a Excadrill in a previous game that was okay.

Give me a list, because I just hit Irricus City and I havent seen anything really worth my time to invest in. They all see so underwhelming. Serperior is a letdown, same as Gigalith.


What Gen V Mons have made it to OU metagame?

I'm not saying nothing is good in Gen V but the usability ratio from competitive to trash feels like 1:5

 

[Hecatonchires Custom]

Utility. I love Darmanitan and Galvantula. I hear Scrafty, Excavalier, Bisharp and Krookodile is good as well. I had a Excadrill in a previous game that was okay.

Give me a list, because I just hit Irricus City and I havent seen anything really worth my time to invest in. They all see so underwhelming. Serperior is a letdown, same as Gigalith.


What Gen V Mons have made it to OU metagame?

I'm not saying nothing is good in Gen V but the usability ratio from competitive to trash feels like 1:5

Currently? Amoonguss, Bisharp, Excadrill, Ferrothorn, Keldeo, Kyurem, Landorus, Serperior, Tornadus, Thunderus.

In gen V? Conkeldurr, Excadrill, Ferrothorn, Haxorus, Hydreigon, Jellicent, Keldeo, Kyurem, Landorus, Reuniclus, Terrakion, Thunderus, Volcarona.

Stuff in UU like Galvantula and Scolipede can perform well in OU regardless.

 

[Puruzi]

Utility. I love Darmanitan and Galvantula. I hear Scrafty, Excavalier, Bisharp and Krookodile is good as well. I had a Excadrill in a previous game that was okay.

Give me a list, because I just hit Irricus City and I havent seen anything really worth my time to invest in. They all see so underwhelming. Serperior is a letdown, same as Gigalith.


What Gen V Mons have made it to OU metagame?

I'm not saying nothing is good in Gen V but the usability ratio from competitive to trash feels like 1:5

HA Serperior is powerful as hell

 

[MegaManTrigger]

Currently? Amoonguss, Bisharp, Excadrill, Ferrothorn, Keldeo, Kyurem, Landorus, Serperior, Tornadus, Thunderus.

In gen V? Conkeldurr, Excadrill, Ferrothorn, Haxorus, Hydreigon, Jellicent, Keldeo, Kyurem, Landorus, Reuniclus, Terrakion, Thunderus, Volcarona.

Stuff in UU like Galvantula and Scolipede can perform well in OU regardless.

Pretty much what I was going to say.

 

[Azuran]

What Gen V Mons have made it to OU metagame?

I'm not saying nothing is good in Gen V but the usability ratio from competitive to trash feels like 1:5

People should really stop using Smogon's metagame to determine if a Pokémon is good or not considering GF doesn't balance the games around it. Some Pokemon are not meant to be even used in single battles.

 

[Lil'DigiOp]

Currently? Amoonguss, Bisharp, Excadrill, Ferrothorn, Keldeo, Kyurem, Landorus, Serperior, Tornadus, Thunderus.

In gen V? Conkeldurr, Excadrill, Ferrothorn, Haxorus, Hydreigon, Jellicent, Keldeo, Kyurem, Landorus, Reuniclus, Terrakion, Thunderus, Volcarona.

Stuff in UU like Galvantula and Scolipede can perform well in OU regardless.

Thanks for this. Surprised Serp is in there... Must be a speed/status build because damage wise its underwhelming..

Ferrothorn being there is shocking, its garbo when those fire attacks come out... That's like the most common attacks in the game. A lot of that list is legendaries and they're not invincible but I don't like to count em for obvious reasons.

I'm just hoping for Gen 7 to give us some serious firepower that can shake the meta, or at least interesting types that have great movepools.

People should really stop using Smogon's metagame to determine if a Pokémon is good or not considering GF doesn't balance the games around it. Some Pokemon are not meant to be even used in single battles.

It was just a question to see Gen V popularity.

I don't even play Smogon, I just battle with friends.

 

[MegaManTrigger]

Thanks for this. Surprised Serp is in there... Must be a speed/status build because damage wise its underwhelming..

Ferrothorn being there is shocking, its garbo when those fire attacks come out... That's like the most common attacks in the game. A lot of that list is legendaries and they're not invincible but I don't like to count em for obvious reasons.

I'm just hoping for Gen 7 to give us some serious firepower that can shake the meta, or at least interesting types that have great movepools.

Contrary Serperior was released a while ago through Pokemon Bank, which bumped its usage. I've used it a bit and it's really powerful if you get set-ups (aka spam Leaf Storm until you get +6). Also, despite Ferro's weakness being fire, Grass/Steel is amazing for tanking and giving you enough time to set-up your hazards and wear your opponents down through Leech Seed/etc.

People should really stop using Smogon's metagame to determine if a Pokémon is good or not considering GF doesn't balance the games around it. Some Pokemon are not meant to be even used in single battles.

This makes no sense, GF cares only about doubles/VGC, so why even tell people not to use Smogon when GF's metagame balance consistently disregards singles? Particularly because the majority of people using Smogon rules are playing and likely only care about singles anyways. And until GF cares about singles, you're not changing any minds.

Also, to say that some Pokemon aren't meant to be used in single battles isn't necessarily true. There are many different ways to run a Pokemon's set, the difference is whether it's efficient and if there's any synergy to using the set in question with the gameplay style in mind (singles/doubles/triples/etc).

 

[Demoncarnotaur]

Not that it matter, but I think my issue with Litten is the stark, contrasting colors they choose.. I would have preferred something like this:

But anyways, I guess I need to get used to it cause no matter how many photoshops are made.. it's locked in.

 

[Reset]

Smogon rules are the only rules that matter. :]
Get that Vgc doubles trash outta here, no one wants to do doubles. Also 95% of the battles in game are single anyway.

 

[Lil'DigiOp]

HA Serperior is powerful as hell

Contrary Serperior was released a while ago through Pokemon Bank, which bumped its usage. I've used it a bit and it's really powerful if you get set-ups (aka spam Leaf Storm until you get +6). Also, despite Ferro's weakness being fire, Grass/Steel is amazing for tanking and giving you enough time to set-up your hazards and wear your opponents down through Leech Seed/etc.



This makes no sense, GF cares only about doubles/VGC, so why even tell people not to use Smogon when GF's metagame balance consistently disregards singles? Particularly because the majority of people using Smogon rules are playing and likely only care about singles anyways. And until GF cares about singles, you're not changing any minds.

Also, to say that some Pokemon aren't meant to be used in single battles isn't necessarily true. There are many different ways to run a Pokemon's set, the difference is whether it's efficient and if there's any synergy to using the set in question with the gameplay style in mind (singles/doubles/triples/etc).

Ahh I see. So its Contrary Serp that everybody loves

My regular Serp is meh with Mega Drain, Leech Seed, Leaf Blade, and Slam. Slam is out of date, great for Servine but Serp doesn't need it. Giga is coming for Mega... Idk if I wanna keep Leech Seed on it, its great to annoy but eh... IDK

The Ferrothorn I had just could not compete. It was partly to not having a proper move setup, plus when my friend brought out the fire... Forget it.

Also everyone battles doubles... Its just... way more fun. Singles is cool too. But I notice KO's matter so much more in Singles.. One bad move in doubles and the game can change to either favor

 

[foxuzamaki]

It's not.

Gamefreak does not care about memes from an American chatbot experiment that grew old ages ago.

Gamefreak is a group of dozens of individuals

 

[Shadow Broker]

Smogon rules are the only rules that matter. :]
Get that Vgc doubles trash outta here, no one wants to do doubles. Also 95% of the battles in game are single anyway.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I don't care much for yours.

I agree and I'm not a fan of doubles but I accept an occasional passers-by challenge for it.

I like battling singles. I hate that people try to force Smogon rules on me. I don't like Smogon and I don't refer to them. Don't get me wrong I respect people who play by their rules and I avoid them.

 

[Sou Da]

Smogon rules are the only rules that matter. :]

Smogon folk ban everything they don't like and only play the simulator.

 

[Nightbird]

I assumed that was referring to the concept art shown in the trailer.

Nah, I have the feeling they are foreshadowing a new feature like they did it for Megaevolution in the reveal trailer for XY with the whole "bonding stuff"

 

[Shadow Broker]

Nah, I have the feeling they are foreshadowing a new feature like they did it for Megaevolution in the reveal trailer for XY with the whole "bonding stuff"

Alola region has the Moondial and the Moondial triggers

Synchro Evolution like Ash's Greninja

Kind of like

Sundial connects to Mega Evolution


???

 

[linkandzelda]

Smogon folk ban everything they don't like and only play the simulator.

No, they ban things to artificially balance the Singles metagame because Game Freak balances for Doubles.

 

[MegaManTrigger]

Smogon rules are the only rules that matter. :]
Get that Vgc doubles trash outta here, no one wants to do doubles. Also 95% of the battles in game are single anyway.

Not necessarily. I like that they managed to create a simple but effective set of rules that try to quell down on the luck-based stuff to introduce more skill. But there is a fundamental issue, you can't exactly balance the game to the best of your ability, when the game wasn't built on being balanced in the first place.

Additionally, The people responsible for voting for the banlist are way too ban-happy. I can understand overcentralizing Pokemon and obvious stuff like putting all legendaries into Ubers. However, when your only response is ban, ban, ban, instead of actually looking through each suspect and seeing what it's strong and weak against, you'd wonder if something about Smogon's system is fundamentally broken. Even if people argue that Smogon does do suspect tests and thinks about its match-up, the problem is that these people lock themselves in a box of their own rules and don't really consider possible match-ups that could check or counter the Pokemon in question.

 

[Neoleo2143]

Does anyone think that the honolulu based city here is going to be the largest city in the game?

 

[Berordn]

Does anyone think that the honolulu based city here is going to be the largest city in the game?

I wouldn't be surprised if it's the largest, but also the least useful (kind of like Castelia City being the biggest and Unova's big landmark but also the least important)

That said, with how little we've likely seen of the map so far I wouldn't count out there being another major city.

 

[jman2050]

The Doubles metagame surpassed the Singles metagame two games ago and has been ahead ever since. Singles, frankly, doesn't matter anymore unless you're doing casual stuff like fighting with friends or random teams.

 

[Sandfox]

The Doubles metagame surpassed the Singles metagame two games ago and has been ahead ever since. Singles, frankly, doesn't matter anymore unless you're doing casual stuff like fighting with friends or random teams.

I think VGC is the better format, but I would argue that Singles is more balanced for obvious reasons.

 

[linkandzelda]

Additionally, The people responsible for voting for the banlist are way too ban-happy. I can understand overcentralizing Pokemon and obvious stuff like putting all legendaries into Ubers. However, when your only response is ban, ban, ban, instead of actually looking through each suspect and seeing what it's strong and weak against, you'd wonder if something about Smogon's system is fundamentally broken. Even if people argue that Smogon does do suspect tests and thinks about its match-up, the problem is that these people lock themselves in a box of their own rules and don't really consider possible match-ups that could check or counter the Pokemon in question.

They don't put all Legendaries in Ubers. Only good ones. Second the reason why they seem to have a high ban rate is because they only ever propose to ban Pokemon which have empirical evidence (Usage statistics) of being too good. It's one thing to look at the theoretical strengths and weaknesses of a Pokemon but if it is shown to be overused and that it wins matches a disproportionate amount of the time, empirically, theoretical viability arguments are mostly irrelevant.

Additionally I do not think that Smogon is ban happy. This is the list of Pokemon banned from OU:

Aegislash
Arceus
Blaziken
Darkrai
Deoxys
Deoxys-A
Deoxys-D
Deoxys-S
Dialga
Genesect
Giratina
Giratina-O
Greninja
Groudon
Ho-Oh
Kyogre
Kyurem-W
Lugia
Mewtwo
Palkia
Rayquaza
Reshiram
Shaymin-S
Xerneas
Yveltal
Zekrom

26. For the record, in 2015, VGC Doubles banned 29 Pokemon and that's when counting all the forms of a Pokemon as one Pokemon which Smogon doesn't do for banning purposes.

 

[Puruzi]

I hate dubs so smogon's where it's at

 

[StoneFox]

Venomoth got banned because Smogon is full of babies.

 

[Schadenfreude]

Pokemon is for babbies.

 

[MegaManTrigger]

They don't put all Legendaries in Ubers. Only good ones. Second the reason why they seem to have a high ban rate is because they only ever propose to ban Pokemon which have empirical evidence (Usage statistics) of being too good. It's one thing to look at the theoretical strengths and weaknesses of a Pokemon but if it is shown to be overused and that it wins matches a disproportionate amount of the time, empirically, theoretical viability arguments are mostly irrelevant.

I know, I should have made the distinction as some event Legendaries aren't as OP as some of the mascots, and vice versa. The problem I have with Smogon's usage statistics is that they seem to suggest that higher usage means that it's overcentralizing, which isn't always the case.

Additionally I do not think that Smogon is ban happy. This is the list of Pokemon banned from OU:

[...]

26. For the record, in 2015, VGC Doubles banned 29 Pokemon and that's when counting all the forms of a Pokemon as one Pokemon which Smogon doesn't do for banning purposes.

It's not just OU, what about the other tiers? And going beyond Pokemon bans, what about strategy bans? For instance, there's stuff like Swagger banned to quell the Swagplay, which I find pretty suspect if only because people were complaining that they'd have to run "obscure" checks and/or counters to stand a chance of winning. And then there's the stuff like banning Landorus-I to Ubers simply because it's too "versatile." Especially when Therian forme was more consistent in appearing in top-5 OU usage stats, than the Incarnate form. My problem with this type of banning logic is that with competitive Pokemon already being (for the most part) cookie cutter, you end up with a gameplay style that promotes a new "threat of the week" flavour, which in turn leads to more bans, and exposes how cyclical and repetitive the style really is.

 

[Menitta]

I hate dubs so smogon's where it's at

I can't watch the subs. I grew up with dubbed DP, so Ash, Dawn, and Brock will be English forever!

 

[Lil'DigiOp]

They banned Aegislash and Greninja?

Protean Greninja is annoying but that thing is feeble as hell, one bulky move and he's knocked out

That reminds me when the banned Speed Boost Blaziken, whats next? any Mon with Moxie lol

 

[Azuran]

26. For the record, in 2015, VGC Doubles banned 29 Pokemon and that's when counting all the forms of a Pokemon as one Pokemon which Smogon doesn't do for banning purposes.

VGC banning mythical Pokemon is not a negative because is done for distribution reasons since not everyone can get their hands on them in-game and they obviously don't want people have hacking for them. Pokémon like Darkrai and Meloetta would certainly be legal in the current format if they weren't rare.

 

[Puruzi]

I can't watch the subs. I grew up with dubbed DP, so Ash, Dawn, and Brock will be English forever!

wut

 

[Schadenfreude]

wut

This exchanged cracked me up in that I cant tell whether it's genuine or not.

 

[Sandfox]

They banned Aegislash and Greninja?

Protean Greninja is annoying but that thing is feeble as hell, one bulky move and he's knocked out

That reminds me when the banned Speed Boost Blaziken, whats next? any Mon with Moxie lol

Greninja got banned after ORAS made it stupid.

VGC banning mythical Pokemon is not a negative because is done for distribution reasons since not everyone can get their hands on them in-game and they obviously don't want people have hacking for them. Pokémon like Darkrai and Meloetta would certainly be legal in the current format if they weren't rare.

Given the current format they clearly don't care about people needing to hack.

 

[gardfish]

I like VGC/Doubles as a format, but I do wish that Protect wasn't so central to it. Really hurts moveset-building when most of your team has to run it.

 

[HawthorneKitty]

6v6 Smogon is garbage to watch
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[Menitta]

In all seriousness, I do like to watch the dub more than the sub. It's literally what I grew up on, and Ash in Japanese is weird to me.

 

[StoneFox]

Singles is boring to me outside Little Cup just because LC is much more fast paced and hilarious at times.

As I sit here I just won a match on Showdown by my Finneon surviving a hit with 1 HP, Liechi berry activates and I used Flail to sweep.

lol

 

[Toxi]

6v6 Smogon is garbage to watch
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Yeah, it's fun to play but boring to watch because so much of it is based on switch prediction.

 

[MegaManTrigger]

VGC banning mythical Pokemon is not a negative because is done for distribution reasons since not everyone can get their hands on them in-game and they obviously don't want people have hacking for them. Pokémon like Darkrai and Meloetta would certainly be legal in the current format if they weren't rare.

That doesn't really sound like a legit reason, especially when it's clear that people gen their Pokemon to save time from breeding and EV training. Not to mention, IIRC, there's no way to hackcheck these pokemon beyond the facile physical attributions like the Kalos hexagon, so they won't even be able to tell the difference between unless they look at the software. It's also worth noting that VGC 2014's winner used PokeGen but clearly overlooked the limitations of the B2W2 carts.

 

[Firemind]

6v6 Smogon is garbage to watch
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do you play pokemon

or do you watch other people play pokemon

 

[Sou Da]

In all seriousness, I do like to watch the dub more than the sub. It's literally what I grew up on, and Ash in Japanese is weird to me.

Yeah I can't really deal with the Pokemon names in Japanese at all.

Only watched the mega evolution specials recently though, cant stand the Ash stuff.

 

[Boss Doggie]

why do people color litten's forehead mark and limb marks differently

 

[HawthorneKitty]

do you play pokemon

or do you watch other people play pokemon

Don't be dumb.

 

[Andrefpvs]

You're not a fan of puke green and hot pink?

NO

 

[Menitta]

Yeah I can't really deal with the Pokemon names in Japanese at all.

Only watched the mega evolution specials recently though, cant stand the Ash stuff.

I will say that the best moment in the sub is when Meowth went "MUDA-NYAN MUDA-NYAN MUDA-NYAN" all while posing.

 

[Firemind]

Don't be dumb.

so you have no idea what you're talking about

gotcha