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Russian airliner carrying more than 200 passengers missing on flight over Egypt
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Didn't they claim to have shot down that Jordanian fighter last year which turned not to be true?
Here we go.
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/us-military-isis-did-not-down-jordanian-jet-did-capture-pilot
BladeoftheImmortal
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Sucks. Was in a plane the same day as this.
Very likely a bomb on the plane if they really did blow it up. There is just no way for them to shoot it down from the ground.
Kinky John
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Eh, probably nothing to see here. As far as I can make out staining like that is nothing out of the ordinary.
I stand corrected, it was the news agencies telling me lies
You and me both. Arma 3 + Blastcore (for other readers, it's a mod with enhanced explosion & smoke effects).
Remember the ITV doc with supposed IRA footage... from Arma 2?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQuglSbXeVo (0:36)
Superimposer
This is getting weirder all the time
"External factor" caused crash according to the airline:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34697416?ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbc_breaking&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=news_central
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34697416?ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbc_breaking&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=news_central
That does sound like terrorism. Hmm.
Superimposer
This is getting weirder all the time
That was my first thought too
Most recent update on the Telegraph:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...examine-theory-that-Isil-bombed-airliner.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...examine-theory-that-Isil-bombed-airliner.html
corduroygt
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Planes don't break up in mid air anymore and ISIS doesn't have the tech to shoot down an airliner at high altitude. Onboard bomb is probably the correct theory 
ginger ninja
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Well..fuck. Surely Good times ahead for middle East now.
cartoon_soldier
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Damn, this is going to make people more nervous flying through middle east airports.
Kinky John
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The airline saying "Nowt to do with us guv!" isn't surprising.
Indeed. Of course they're trying to save their asses. Until there is any official news (and no, the airline saying it has nothing to do with them is not official news), everything else is speculation.
DXB-KNIGHT
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If it's a terrorist attack then ISIS in Sinai and Libya are Fucked.
Yes, but it doesn't really happen that an airline to mention an external factor without any reason at all. Nobody goes out and says "it was terrorism" just to cover his own ass, really.
Usually the damage control is "let's wait for the conclusions of the inquiry, our plane was in perfect shape, the pilots have a lot of experience ..."
It's worth noting that this is a very small airline with a fleet of only 6 aircraft. Russia ordered them to suspend all flights following the incident. It's unclear whether Metrojet can even continue operating. What you said is likely true for any major airline, but may not be here.
Still, I think someone from the Russian authorities would have told them to keep the mouth shut. But yeah, who knows?
SliceSabre
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Because it is a scary thought that now terrorists don't even need to get on planes to take them down anymore and that now they can shoot down planes flying 30,000 feet in the air with no risk to themselves.
It's not that they can't posses it, it's that there isn't any MPADS that reach that high, and anything bigger would be really hard to sneak into Egypt without anyone noticing.
Huw_Dawson
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There's a difference between having money and having the capacity to shoot down a plane at cruising altitude without several military intelligence agencies knowing about it.
Agent Gibbs
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If this is ISIS, there is a small part of me that feels sorry for them, they will see this as a victory, when in fact its more akin to a suicide note! Putin will decimate them, he's already proved he will do what he wants
I just feel for the victims and their families they will see this played out on the world stage and it become a political point scoring exercise if it is terrorism
I just feel for the victims and their families they will see this played out on the world stage and it become a political point scoring exercise if it is terrorism
They won't have taken it down from the ground. Either its a smuggled bomb or a tail strike and the airline is desperately trying to stay in business.
Well there could be hidden structural damage due to tail strike... but let's wait for investigators to do their job
Resident_UA
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I really don't like your comment here for a couple of reasons.
1. Putin didn't really fully address this on the state owned TV until today. When Boeing was shut down in Ukraine where Russia supposedly wasn't involved and no Russian citizen died he was on TV in a middle of the night... That's a bit weird (in both cases actually)
2. You comment made me think of Apartment Bombings that got Putin pretty much elected and re-elected. There's very strong evidence that FSB (formally KGB) was behind these bombings... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_apartment_bombings
It does seem very convenient, doesn't it? Putin will have all the reasons he needs to do whatever he wants in the region.
Be careful of experts on TV. Some might feel like they need to say something beyond "we don't know yet" and make speculative claims that aren't really more valid than anyone else's speculative claims. And certainly don't rely on statements from an employee of the airline involved in the accident regarding the cause at such an early stage.
If the black boxes were recovered, and I saw claims that they had been, they have the data and are certainly analyzing it now. It will likely require a bit of looking into before drawing any meaningful conclusions, so we might not hear about any official explanation for some time. It may become obvious and an announcement will be made, but it could also be complicated and difficult to know without extensive investigation.
An aircraft can break up in flight for a pretty large number of reasons. All of those reasons are incredibly improbable, and without knowing the specific history of this airplane and the sensor data on the FDR it's impossible to say if any of them are less improbable.
If the black boxes were recovered, and I saw claims that they had been, they have the data and are certainly analyzing it now. It will likely require a bit of looking into before drawing any meaningful conclusions, so we might not hear about any official explanation for some time. It may become obvious and an announcement will be made, but it could also be complicated and difficult to know without extensive investigation.
An aircraft can break up in flight for a pretty large number of reasons. All of those reasons are incredibly improbable, and without knowing the specific history of this airplane and the sensor data on the FDR it's impossible to say if any of them are less improbable.
Dubbedinenglish
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Russian forces have already raided their offices as well. Employees were complaining about mechanical issues weeks before, sounds more like desperation from the airline.
Going by this photo doesn't really look like a tail strike outcome:
Edit: the fuselage seems ripped off there, in straight line at the back of the plane.
You can't really tell from a photo like that as the original failure can cause break up in different places. We won't know until the report. There was a Vhina Airlines flight that went down in 2002 from a 20 year old badly done repair.
Remember when Gore won?
Insane Metal
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Damn. They already have the Black Boxes and the airline going ahead and saying it probably was an external cause... I mean... they wouldn't simply do that to save their asses, right?
Fuck. I wanna know what happened.
Fuck. I wanna know what happened.
It's entirely possible they would.
Reading from the quotes some of the stuff is nonsense. They've said that nothing could blow an aircraft apart which wasn't external. Which is nonsense. It's happened many times before often due to shitty maintenance followed by explosive decompression.
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ru...hen-russian-metrojet-plane-crashed-no-n456161
Onboard bomb or explosion seems most likely at this point.
Onboard bomb or explosion seems most likely at this point.
If it was a bomb then why has nobody claimed responsibility? ISIS is claiming they shot it down. Unless it was a lone wolf suicide, but that's incredibly unlikely right?
The evidence seems to be mounting that is was a technical problem due to poor maintenance.
SliChillax
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Well this is even more terrifying. How did they put a bomb inside the plane (if that's the case)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine_Airlines_Flight_434
It's happened before, by the guy who perpetrated the 93 WTC bombing. Although doing this to a charter plane would be considerably more difficult.
The Albatross
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Before the Malaysian flight was lost, international aviation had set a record for consecutive days without an accident. This is more or less the norm, but several high profile crashes have taken center stage for sure.
ErnieMcCracken
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Putin had it blown up to support his incursion against ISIS...
:tinfoilhat:
Seriously though, I'm really curious to know what happened and how this plays out.
:tinfoilhat:
Seriously though, I'm really curious to know what happened and how this plays out.
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