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Don't worry. The probability to die on a plane is still infinitesimal. If anything there will be more controls in the coming weeks.
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Egypt Air flight from Paris disappears from radar
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Mr Clutch
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Thanks for the words of advice. I do not have xan, but I can (and will) drink to calm the nerves!
Were you worried in the car/bus/train trip to the airport? If not, then you have no reason to be worried now or ever.
The next days flying is going to be more safe than usual. Everyone pays extraattention.
kruis
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KLM is the Royal Dutch Airlines, the oldest still operating airline in the world. You should have no worries at all about the quality of the company.
I think you should be okay. I will say i understand your anxiety and I think its time major airports abroad have way better safety standards in place, not only for terror issues but just how they operate in general.
Its clear to see how stringent the US is on air safety is that events like Egypt, Malyasia etc they need to be way better at protecting passengers.
This is horrible... I'm glad they were able to find the plane quickly so the families will have closure.
I went through a phase of mild flight anxiety and the thing that really helped me was to learn all that I could about crash statistics, turbulence, etc. You can't change the statistics, but you can learn just how exceedingly rare plane crashes are.
I went through a phase of mild flight anxiety and the thing that really helped me was to learn all that I could about crash statistics, turbulence, etc. You can't change the statistics, but you can learn just how exceedingly rare plane crashes are.
EdwardTivrusky
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KLM is the Royal Dutch Airline and is similar to British Airways etc a flagship airline for the Netherlands. Check them on Wiki, you'll be fine.
Jezbollah
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No. You will be fine. I am flying to Italy on Monday and I haven't considered not going.
If it does end up being terrorism, then that means it's highly likely that there was a breach of security at Charles De Gaulle in Paris, which has some of the most stringent and extensive security protocols of any airport in the world.
That's absolutely terrifying, and almost unbelievable.
That's absolutely terrifying, and almost unbelievable.
Sectorseven
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Wouldn't some terrorist cell be claiming responsibility?
Bigboss242
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They landed in tunisia before the crash. Maybe they snuck a device on board then?
No, they didn't.
The same plane was just on other routes that included Tunis and Eritrea.
FF Seraphim
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This is indeed scary as fuck because the implications are beyond what I wish to comprehend...
Could be an explanation why no group has claimed it yet. That it was supposed to go off en route to Paris, not afterwards, and they're currently busy deciding on the spin. Or maybe they're still busy making themselves scarce. Or they are keeping schtum because more is yet to come.
Or it wasn't a terrorist strike after all.
I don't believe this because taking it down over France or mainland Europe would have made for a vastly more "spectacular operation" and as information creeps in I am thinking personnel aboard the craft did something when the correct opportunity arose.
DiipuSurotu
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Why?
GrizzleBoy
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Just flew out from Paris to London via the same airport this week.....
I can't remember a time where I was hearing of so many (if any) disappearing planes and crashes so much in my entire lifetime.
I can't remember a time where I was hearing of so many (if any) disappearing planes and crashes so much in my entire lifetime.
I think it's a coincidence. Someone on board, other than the pilots, is unlikely to have known when that happens with a terribly high degree of accuracy and I doubt this will be found to be an external missile attack as in Ukraine.
SlimySnake
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Bam Bam Baklava
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No one finds it odd that no group has taken responsibility? How often would something like this go uncredited for this long?
Obliterator
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Wow so the debris isn't from the flight?
It usually takes a day. Though it's bordering on the long side now. Then again the 2015 Ankara bombings have never been formally claimed by ISIS.
Jack The Nipper
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no matter what anyone says or shows me I am freaked out the entire time on a
I　also have anxiety in elevators though but boy it sucks
I sit there with a gas filled burping chest cause of my anxiety and just feel sick the whole damn time. every bump, sound sway has me on edge, knock me out!
I　also have anxiety in elevators though but boy it sucks
I sit there with a gas filled burping chest cause of my anxiety and just feel sick the whole damn time. every bump, sound sway has me on edge, knock me out!
RoadHazard
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If so, it likely means an employee at CdG is responsible. Much more likely than a passenger. I don't know how security checks on employees look there, but for passengers it's thorough.
Seems weird that they would destroy it over the Mediterranean and not over France though.
helloresolven
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What's the evidence it was terrorism, exactly?
RoadHazard
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Us discussing and speculating hurts nobody. Especially not the victims (sorry for being blunt).
Just that it happened so suddenly without any distress calls from the cockpit, I think. That points to something immediate, like an explosion happening. If an engine had failed, they would've had time to call it in.
Edit: Apparently the imagery doesn't show an explosion.
And the general idea that planes are extremely safe, and the sudden loss of an aircraft at cruising altitude usually doesn't happen from mechanical problems.
What the hell are you talking about?
Posts 295 and 129 respectively.
RoadHazard
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What. Who is saying anything like that? Yes, one guy joked about it being a UFO. Big deal. IS being responsible isn't very far-fetched. They're the most evil, rotten group of monsters on the planet, and they want us all dead. Don't know where you got "kidnapping the plane" from though.
Yeah, two dumb posts.
There you go. If you follow the actually released info and wait another 24h you'll probably know what actually happened.
Bam Bam Baklava
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At the end of the day, unless a group takes responsibility or they find some glaring piece of evidence, there will be no definitive conclusions for a long while as the investigation goes on. So this idea of coming in here and guaranteeing that it was this that or the other thing is just speculation based on some flimsy reporting we have.
RoadHazard
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And if we keep discussing what might have happened, it hurts nobody. When shocking things like this happen, people like to get their thoughts about it out and have a discussion.
Man, I wish we had better tracking devices on those birds.
I mean, it's a huge money sink to divert dozens of ships around the area and manually search for debris to show up, not to mention that in some other cases the significant delay could be bad for potential wounded survivors. Can't we mandate that planes get an "oh shit" mode where they start squeaking their telemetry at full blast to everyone that cares to listen on every spectrum they can send on. I mean, the on board computers likely had more than enough time during the crash to determine that the plane no longer was inside the normal flight envelope. If the airline or flight controller had up to date gps/glonass/Galileo coordinates, heading and velocity data from moments before the impact (and some basic understanding of currents around the area), then wouldn't the wreckage be found already? Even better, if there was some battery driven reporting function for at least a few seconds after the impact? Or maybe even possibly minutes? I know it's not quite as easy as throwing a GPS unit, car battery, airbag crash sensor and some wires inside a picnic basket, but ...
Again, that probably wouldn't help much in this case, but it irks me, slightly, that half a day has passed and nobody has so much as come close to the wreck yet. To be frank, partly because I have an irrational fear of there being a crazy lucky survivor that gets to freeze to death in the cold sea while people are desperately combing the area a few kilometres away.
Also, man, those "content aware" ads for discount airlines. When keyword triggers go wrong.
I mean, it's a huge money sink to divert dozens of ships around the area and manually search for debris to show up, not to mention that in some other cases the significant delay could be bad for potential wounded survivors. Can't we mandate that planes get an "oh shit" mode where they start squeaking their telemetry at full blast to everyone that cares to listen on every spectrum they can send on. I mean, the on board computers likely had more than enough time during the crash to determine that the plane no longer was inside the normal flight envelope. If the airline or flight controller had up to date gps/glonass/Galileo coordinates, heading and velocity data from moments before the impact (and some basic understanding of currents around the area), then wouldn't the wreckage be found already? Even better, if there was some battery driven reporting function for at least a few seconds after the impact? Or maybe even possibly minutes? I know it's not quite as easy as throwing a GPS unit, car battery, airbag crash sensor and some wires inside a picnic basket, but ...
Again, that probably wouldn't help much in this case, but it irks me, slightly, that half a day has passed and nobody has so much as come close to the wreck yet. To be frank, partly because I have an irrational fear of there being a crazy lucky survivor that gets to freeze to death in the cold sea while people are desperately combing the area a few kilometres away.
Also, man, those "content aware" ads for discount airlines. When keyword triggers go wrong.
Macho Madness
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So the US says it wasn't an explosion based on imagery
https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/733398982538493953
https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/733398982538493953
Jezbollah
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It wouldn't take much at that altitude for a small detonation within the aircraft to rupture the hull and cause an explosive decompression.
Those black boxes need to be found.
WordsintheWater
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Whatever happened, RIP to everyone on board and my condolences to their families and loved ones.
King Tubby
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It's not evidence that it was terrorism so much as lack of evidence that it was another more common cause. Terrorism seems like one of the more likely culprits at the moment.
That said, there's not enough information at this time for anyone here to try to claim any sort of definitive cause.
victreeb3l
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Horrible thing to happen. I have a flight tonight and I must admit this got me spooked :/
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