SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
It really is disgusting the way they have gone about doing it. It's very deceptive.
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God of War Sequel and Gran Turismo 7 are Cross Generation Titles
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MarkMe2525
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As a ps4 owner, this makes me happy. Sour grapes for the rest of you 
ManaByte
Gold Member
If that CPU is going to hold back the generation, then what will the PS5 CPU do?
| CPU | 8x Zen 2 Cores at 3.5GH |
Putonahappyface
Gold Member
No you're not alone. After the shit storm of disappointment here and on Twitter my excitement has fizzled out a bit. I just wish there was honesty from the get go so I could've just clinged on to my ps4 pro for a few more years!
Reading some of Jim Ryan's quotes from Twiter over the past twelve months etc really shows how devious and creative he has been with his words to sell his lies. I wonder if Sony will keep him at the helm now he has created negative attention towards there brand.
Ultimately I'm enjoying my ps5 especially with patched games running at better resolutions and frame rates. Just disappointed that games won't fully be implemented with the full capabilites of a ps5 for a few years. Cross gen games will still look nice and have a nice jump in textures, ray tracing, resolution and frame rate etc.
Knowing what I know now I would've held off buying a ps5 for a few years.
SteelCurtain 59
Member
The CPU is basically the same as the PS5's, so CPU wise it won't hold back the gen in any meaningful way, I'll give you RAM but at 1080p you need WAY less memory so it probably won't be that big of a deal, and with the GPU you can scale down the framerate and resolution and still get competent performance. And the SSD is the same performance, just smaller amount, which will only effect how many games you can fit on it
Mr Moose
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ManaByte
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What the fuck is your problem?
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3liteDragon
Member
Here we go again with this debunked BS, Series S's CPU isn't faster than PS5's just because of a 300MHz difference.
ManaByte
Gold Member
But it's not the Xbox One CPU some people are trying to make it out to be.
Heimdall_Xtreme
Jim Ryan Fanclub's #1 Member
I told you guys.....
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
I am also going to get a switch pro, but as a switch owner since launch I have to say it's arguably the worst Nintendo console ive ever owned. awful first party support. little to no AAA games. Zelda was a cross gen game that was designed around Wii U's limitations.
Since you didnt own a Wii U, you might enjoy their wii u ports. Wii U had way better exclusives imo. My son has been playing them for over a year but as a wii u owner, i feel like i had nothing to play on this thing for the past 4 years now.
Hawking Radiation
Member
I got a PS4 too and I can't wait to drop it just for the noise levels if anything else.As a ps4 owner, this makes me happy. Sour grapes for the rest of you
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
hes not saying that. hes trying to point out that it is not the same exact CPU. even if its under clocked by just 0.2 ghz, its not the same exact CPU.
a bit pedantic but thats what hes taking an issue with.
Kagey K
Banned
And that is exactly why he felt the need to be deceitful with his words.
Had he been transparent from the start, there would have probably been a bunch more people like you willing to wait to upgrade.
Mr Moose
Member
Read what I said again, I am not saying GPU isn't an issue, it will be, the biggest difference between this gen and last gen are those two things (IMO) CPU and HDD, that's last gen stuff.
The CPU and SSD are not the same (either the Hz or size) with the Series X.
The GPU could be an issue with next gen only games, which includes RAM not just TFlops.
If I am coming across as aggressive I apologize, it's just people don't seem to read these days (heh myself included).
3liteDragon
Member
Idk why people think the CPU and SSD are different. The SSD size is smaller on the Series S but the speed is the same as Series X, and the CPU and GPU are based on the same architectures as the Series X as well, the MAIN concern with the S after last-gen is dropped in the future, is the RAM (as few devs have pointed out when the specs were revealed).
But to what extent will it affect third-parties? We won't know yet until we actually see the games running on each console.
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Dr Bass
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Demon's Souls and Returnal so far off the top of my head. Both ridiculously great games. Looking forward to Ratchet too.
Coherenthy
Member
Kinda dissapointed but not worreid at the same time after seeing how amazing HFW looks as a cross gen game.
I bet GOW Ragnarok is still going to be mind blowing once it's revealed.
I bet GOW Ragnarok is still going to be mind blowing once it's revealed.
Putonahappyface
Gold Member
ManaByte
Gold Member
He's taking issue with another poster above blowing up his narrative that it's a last gen CPU.
No, you were claiming it was a last-gen CPU:
It's not a last gen CPU. It's just under clocked by 0.2 ghz but is still the same Zen 2 CPU architecture that's in the Series X. The SSD is the same 2.4 GB/s uncompressed, 4.8 GB/s compressed SSD speed as in the Series X, only half the size in capacity. That's not a last gen HDD either.
ColonialRaptor
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Very disappointing for God of War, GT7 doesn't matter but having levels designed around the SSD was a big factor in my expectations for the next God of War game.
My PC and PS5 collecting dust. I tried Returnal but it's just too unforgiving for me and thus stressful to play and games are a stress reliever for me.
My PC and PS5 collecting dust. I tried Returnal but it's just too unforgiving for me and thus stressful to play and games are a stress reliever for me.
Mr Moose
Member
Yeah that's the big jump from last gen, not this gen.
ChuckeRearmed
Member
The most hilarious thing is that people were laughing and mocking Xbox for that, yet were fed the lies by Jimbo and even now try to justify that
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ManaByte
Gold Member
Wait so now Zen 2/RDNA2 isn't next gen?
gamechanger87
Member
Same CPU at slightly slower speed which it doesn’t need the overhead because it’s not pushing the same pixels. More cpu power is needed for higher res.
they are completely equivalent for what matters.
you missed his point. The series S cpu is faster than PS5. Is PS5 now holding back this gen?
AeonGaidenRaiden
Member
Dont see what the issue is. Look at Spiderman. A game developed years ago, on the PS5 has ray tracing and 2 second loading screen. Why would you think that the game wont have the bells and whistles on a PS5 and PS4 is just a sacrificed version with lower fps, blurrier image etc?
Mr Moose
Member
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I'm saying if we are having only next gen games then the Series S is the anchor (if shit PCs aren't).
I was comparing the CPUs and SSDs to the shit we had last gen, not this gen.
My original quote.
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LordBlodgett
Member
Well:
That is crazy. I love Insomniac games, and I knew they were efficient, but 2 years for a AAA game is ridiculous. Most games are running 3-6 year development cycles right now.....
Putonahappyface
Gold Member
Are you justifying his lies?
ManaByte
Gold Member
Compare Spider-Man, even remastered, to Miles. In Miles when you go from an interior to an exterior, there's no loading and no fading to black. They actually animated a transition for it. Spider-Man Remastered still fades to black to load you into the exterior.
Kagey K
Banned
NewChoppa
Banned
Like 80% of the cars on the PS3 were at PS2 levels of quality. When GT Sport came out, they got rid of all the models and rescanned them at a much higher quality for future proofing which looked great, but hurt the car list a lot (it dropped from roughly 1200, is currently sitting at around 350). Forza 5 went through roughly the same thing when that came out, which is why both games ended up getting criticised for a lack of content.
Papacheeks
Banned
Well:
That is crazy. I love Insomniac games, and I knew they were efficient, but 2 years for a AAA game is ridiculous. Most games are running 3-6 year development cycles right now.....
It's not like you don't reuse character models/assets and then go back and add to it.
ManaByte
Gold Member
2016 Ratchet was a remake of the original and all of the cinematics were done by Rainmaker Entertainment (they were just clips from the 2016 Ratchet movie).
Magic Carpet
Member
THHHHHPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
Nasty news from Sony.
Got to keep my Life Straw on hand to drink this news. Thats Nasty.
Nasty news from Sony.
Got to keep my Life Straw on hand to drink this news. Thats Nasty.
Krappadizzle
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SteelCurtain 59
Member
Is your argument that by being the lowest it will "hold back" the gen no matter what, even if the difference was hypothetically like .01 HZ? Then sure technically you could be correct, but the Series S will not have any real meaningful detriment to next gen game design, so saying it will "hold back" the gen seems disingenuous and kind of fanboyish.
Mr Moose
Member
Putonahappyface
Gold Member
What you said is precisely right. Well I agree with you at the very least on what his reasoning might have been.
Mr Moose
Member
I was saying the big difference this gen and last are the CPU and SSDs, yes the Series S should do fine with at least early games, but when next gen only games are released then it could be an anchor (like Xbox One and PS4 game are with cross gen games).
God of War whatever the new one is being called will be held back by PS4.
Of course this would mean dog shit PCs don't account into it.
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Pipoqueiro
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''Hermen Hulst, head of PlayStation Studios, shared the news as part of an interview on the PlayStation Blog. "Where it makes sense to develop a title for both PS4 and PS5 - for Horizon Forbidden West, the next God of War, GT7 - we'll continue looking at that," he explained. "And if PS4 owners want to play that game, then they can. If they want to go on and play the PS5 version, that game will be there for them."
I don't want to splash water on anyone's beer, but the transcript is kind of weird
I don't want to splash water on anyone's beer, but the transcript is kind of weird
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AeonGaidenRaiden
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So its Jim Ryans fault you went shopping for a PS5? You couldn't use your common sense and prior knowledge of there barely being any new gen games for at least the first year of any new console?
you guys are a joke, grown ass men blaming another old fart for "making you buy" a PS5.Im a big fan of the brand but looked at the covid situation, looked at the game releases and came to a logical conclusion that PS5 would do nothing for me right now as my Pro is handling games just fine. Nobody made me drop my pants and get F'ed in the ass because of marketing. Nobody put a spell on me that i just HAVE to give those $600 away. Jim Ryan you devil you
Aenima
Member
Acording to developers the bottleneck of the Series S is the memory. CPU and SSD are fine.
Kagey K
Banned
I resold all the ones I got at launch. Don’t currently have one now.So its Jim Ryans fault you went shopping for a PS5? You couldn't use your common sense and prior knowledge of there barely being any new gen games for at least the first year of any new console?
Im a big fan of the brand but looked at the covid situation, looked at the game releases and came to a logical conclusion that PS5 would do nothing for me right now as my Pro is handling games just fine. Nobody made me drop my pants and get F'ed in the ass because of marketing. Nobody put a spell on me that i just HAVE to give those $600 away. Jim Ryan you devil you
Like I said was just playing Devils Advocate as to why he felt he had to be deceitful.
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