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Game of Thrones - George RR Martin's Song of Ice and Fire - Season 1 - Sundays on HBO

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Spire

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Jarmel said:
He leaves which could have been an interpretation of that. He could be never seen again in the series(as serving his purpose in the story), which Martin could have mentioned to the producers. Then this could have been interpreted as him being dead. Otherwise that line about the dead person might have been too obvious.

I'm aware Jorah is a stretch just the way they're speeding through his arc is very odd and seems to be leading towards his death. Alot of the stuff involving him being a spy was more subtle in the book and he never received a pardon.

Series spoilers.

I highly, highly doubt
Jorah will die this season, it's much more likely that the Hound will be the one to go. Jorah is too useful to the writers to be tossed away just yet. With Viserys gone and Drogo about to be gone, Jorah is really the only one left for Dany to play off of and interact with. He's also the one the writers use to dole out exposition and explain things to the audience. Jorah is being set up and fleshed out quickly because he's going to play a vital part in that side of the story.
 
Jarmel said:
They don't flat out say Jorah is a spy if I remember correctly. They only imply they have a spy close to her. As for season 2, they could not have a new character just to isolate Dany even more. Show how she has noone to depend on. Again I'm aware this is not likely but they are rushing his arc. The main reason he was there initially was to go home and now he really has no reason to stay compared to the books.

Series spoiler.
Book 1 quote.
“Do you re­mem­ber Ser Jo­rah Mor­mont?”

“Would that I might for­get him,” Ned said blunt­ly. The Mor­monts of Bear Is­land were an old house, proud and hon­or­able, but their lands were cold and dis­tant and poor. Ser Jo­rah had tried to swell the fam­ily cof­fers by sell­ing some poach­ers to a Ty­roshi slaver. As the Mor­monts were ban­ner­men to the Starks, his crime had dis­hon­ored the north. Ned had made the long jour­ney west to Bear Is­land, on­ly to find when he ar­rived that Jo­rah had tak­en ship be­yond the reach of Ice and the king’s jus­tice. Five years had passed since then.

“Ser Jo­rah is now in Pen­tos, anx­ious to earn a roy­al par­don that would al­low him to re­turn from ex­ile,” Robert ex­plained. “Lord Varys makes good use of him.”

“So the slaver has be­come a spy,” Ned said with dis­taste. He hand­ed the let­ter back. “I would rather he be­come a corpse.”

“Varys tells me that spies are more use­ful than corpses,” Robert said. “Jo­rah aside, what do you make of his re­port?”

Not exactly what I would call subtle.
 

Dresden

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Jarmel said:
They don't flat out say Jorah is a spy if I remember correctly. They only imply they have a spy close to her. As for season 2, they could not have a new character just to isolate Dany even more. Show how she has noone to depend on. Again I'm aware this is not likely but they are rushing his arc. The main reason he was there initially was to go home and now he really has no reason to stay compared to the books.

Series spoiler.
Book 1:

Robert flatly tells Ned that they have Mormont spying on the surviving Targs when they're in Winterfell.
 

Jarmel

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Spire said:
I highly, highly doubt
Jorah will die this season, it's much more likely that the Hound will be the one to go. Jorah is too useful to the writers to be tossed away just yet. With Viserys gone and Drogo about to be gone, Jorah is really the only one left for Dany to play off of and interact with. He's also the one the writers use to dole out exposition and explain things to the audience. Jorah is being set up and fleshed out quickly because he's going to play a vital part in that side of the story.
Well you need the Hound for Sansa parts. He's crucial for her development. Honestly I don't want Jorah dead as the actor is doing a fantastic job with him. As I said it's just a thought I had. I'm not sure how they're going to develop him going forward. Watch turns out it's some nobody that dies.

Series spoiler.


Dresden said:
Book 1:

Robert flatly tells Ned that they have Mormont spying on the surviving Targs when they're in Winterfell.

Really? Can somebody confirm this? I really must have missed that part.

Edit:Nvm.
 
Ep. 7
"Play with her ass."

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Spire

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Amir0x said:
The Hound? GTFO. He has huuuuge scenes in the upcoming seasons

Nothing that can't easily be passed off to another character. If they're consolidating characters, he could get axed early. I hope not, he's one of my favorite characters but I could see it happening.
 

Amir0x

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LaserBuddha said:
I guess he feels silly bothering with spoiler text now lol. Would you like to announce the survival of any other characters? :p

This is the thread for people who HAVE read the books, sry.

Spire said:
Nothing that can't easily be passed off to another character. If they're consolidating characters, he could get axed early. I hope not, he's one of my favorite characters but I could see it happening.

I cannot with any greater emphasis disagree that his parts can be "passed off."
 
Spire said:
Nothing that can't easily be passed off to another character. If they're consolidating characters, he could get axed early. I hope not, he's one of my favorite characters but I could see it happening.



It's about as likely as the rapture coming the other day.
 

TheExodu5

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Dresden said:
Book 1:

He puts up his dagger under Ned's chin, from what I remember. Haven't seen ep.7 yet so I'm not sure how they handle it in the show.

I guess so then...that's what happened in the show. I somehow didn't remember that...I guess. At the time, I was still getting acquainted with a lot of the characters at court.
 
Amir0x said:
This is the thread for people who HAVE read the books, sry.

I've read the books and I'm not at all affected. I guess I'm confused by the fact that we have to spoiler tag spoilers, but if one isn't spoiler tagged then it doesn't matter?
 
Amir0x said:
I cannot with any greater emphasis disagree that his parts can be "passed off."

Agreed. If it happens there is no possible way I can look on this decision positively. It would be an inexcusable choice on the part of the people in charge.

Edit: Spire, I noticed I copied your avatar inadvertently. I will change it as soon as I can think of something to replace it with.
 

ezrarh

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Spire said:
Nothing that can't easily be passed off to another character. If they're consolidating characters, he could get axed early. I hope not, he's one of my favorite characters but I could see it happening.

Never has anybody been so wrong. series spoiler
He doesn't die in book 3 so he can't be on the list of potential early deaths.
 

Amir0x

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LaserBuddha said:
I've read the books and I'm not at all affected. I guess I'm confused by the fact that we have to spoiler tag spoilers, but if one isn't spoiler tagged then it doesn't matter?

Yes, but if in the book thread we have to spoiler tag even who survives a book then you're in the wrong thread. That sort of carefulness does not need to be observed in this topic.

Yes, spoiler tag actual story revelations and any episode that hasn't aired yet, but shit like that is too anal for a BOOK READERS topic.
 

Piecake

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LaserBuddha said:
I've read the books and I'm not at all affected. I guess I'm confused by the fact that we have to spoiler tag spoilers, but if one isn't spoiler tagged then it doesn't matter?

well, this is the spoiler rule in the OP

Please keep in mind that many viewers haven't read the books and will be new to the ASoIaF series. As such, please spoiler tag any plot points that haven't aired yet on HBO. This includes book spoilers as well as promos and teasers that HBO has released for upcoming episodes. I know it's a hassle to use tags, but some of the spoilers involved with this series are HUGE and there are other places on GAF to discuss ASoIaF on GAF. I've included some links (see below) to other GAF threads for the series as a whole and A Dance with Dragons.

Remember that this show needs to put up some big viewership numbers to stay on the air, and most of the potential audience hasn't read the books before. Let's be respectful towards them, and when in doubt, put it in spoiler tags. If you want to make it even easier for other posters, think about adding labels to what you're spoiler tagging: (e.g. Storm of Swords Spoiler: Put your SoS spoilers here.)

So yea, this is the place to discuss the show and the books and the future books, but everything past the show needs to be put in spoilers
 
Amir0x said:
Yes, but if in the book thread we have to spoiler tag even who survives a book then you're in the wrong thread. That sort of carefulness does not need to be observed in this topic.

Yes, spoiler tag actual story revelations and any episode that hasn't aired yet, but shit like that is too anal for a BOOK READERS topic.

The problem is that we have people who have read AGOT, but not the rest of the books posting in this thread. It's why the OP set rules that things need to be spoiler tagged.
 

Spire

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ezrarh said:
Never has anybody been so wrong. series spoiler
He doesn't die in book 3 so he can't be on the list of potential early deaths.

Are you sure? I thought the general consensus was
he died and was going to be raised from the dead, setting up an epic Undead Hound vs. Undead Gregor fight. One raised by holy magic, the other by unholy magic.
 
Amir0x said:
Yes, but if in the book thread we have to spoiler tag even who survives a book then you're in the wrong thread. That sort of carefulness does not need to be observed in this topic.

Yes, spoiler tag actual story revelations and any episode that hasn't aired yet, but shit like that is too anal for a BOOK READERS topic.

Sorry I guess looking at the big picture is what makes that seem flawed to me. Certainly saying
Oh yeah, Ned won't be in seasons 2+
isn't the kind of thing you'd want posted openly here?

Again, what you're saying is fine, but it makes me question why we're bothering with any spoiler tags at all, if the assumption is that everyone has read all the books.

I'm not trying to dwell on one post that didn't affect me. I'm just trying to discuss the fact that no one seems to be on the same page regarding how this thread is supposed to work.
 

Amir0x

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If you guys want to be that anal, be my guest, but i think that's a little over the top being all "OMG YOU ADMITTED THE HOUND IS TOTALLY NOT DEAD PAST BOOK 1!" We have one thread for that level of anxiety.
 
Amir0x said:
If you guys want to be that anal, be my guest, but i think that's a little over the top being all "OMG YOU ADMITTED THE HOUND IS TOTALLY NOT DEAD PAST BOOK 1!" We have one thread for that level of anxiety.

I don't want to be anal. I'd rather we not bother with any spoiler tags, since that seems to be a much better fit for the goal of this thread. I hate overly-sensitive spoilering. We just need to establish what the rules are. People could presumably be banned for how/what they post here, and that's entirely unfair if the rules change with the wind.
 

Amir0x

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Well, I think there is degrees. That's all. I didn't realize it needed to be SOO black and white. I think saying "I wonder what they'll do with X character in season 2", as a sort of implied admittance he survives, is a little too much policing for my blood. Obviously, any actual details of how events turn out should be spoil tagged, but I just don't personally feel this adds up to much of a spoil.

But whatever makes you guys feel comfortable.
 
Amir0x said:
If you guys want to be that anal, be my guest, but i think that's a little over the top being all "OMG YOU ADMITTED THE HOUND IS TOTALLY NOT DEAD PAST BOOK 1!" We have one thread for that level of anxiety.

While I agree with you in this instance, people aren't going to stop with stuff like that. I mean, I had an argument a few weeks back with some guy who thought (book 3 spoilers)
the Red Wedding
wasn't a spoiler.
 

TheExodu5

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Amir0x said:
Well, I think there is degrees. That's all. I didn't realize it needed to be SOO black and white. I think saying "I wonder what they'll do with X character in season 2", as a sort of implied admittance he survives, is a little too much policing for my blood. Obviously, any actual details of how events turn out should be spoil tagged, but I just don't personally feel this adds up to much of a spoil.

But whatever makes you guys feel comfortable.

It's not so hard to preface a post with "Book 3 Spoilers:", and then mention the character's name.

In a series where the fans keep saying that Martin kills main characters left and right, it feels like a spoiler.
 
Yeah it seems kind of silly to have 2 threads for the tv show where spoiler tagging is enforced.

1 thread with open spoilers and discussion and 1 thread with no spoilers or open discussion past the tv show would be better in my opinion.

The only way to make that work is to convert this one to the open thread as no one would migrate.
 

ezrarh

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Thanks for posting that link Ultron. Yea, his fate is one of those things that you might not pick up on the first read through. I certainly didn't, but it's one of the cool things you pick up on the second time you read through the books.
 
I'm with amirox here. If we want to have a thread for people that have read the books to varying degrees jurisprudence is needed. What he posted is okay. If you disagree you're asking a lot from the mods if they're to adequately police this thread. If people want to go that far we'd need 3 threads to discuss this show, and I think I speak for everyone when I say there are enough ASOIAF threads already.
 

TheExodu5

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LocoMrPollock said:
Yeah it seems kind of silly to have 2 threads for the tv show where spoiler tagging is enforced.

1 thread with open spoilers and discussion and 1 thread with no spoilers or open discussion past the tv show would be better in my opinion.

The only way to make that work is to convert this one to the open thread as no one would migrate.

There is an open spoiler thread...it's the Dance With Dragons thread.
 

ultron87

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TheExodu5 said:
There is an open spoiler thread...it's the Dance With Dragons thread.

Actually the only spoiler tag free ASOIAF thread we've had was closed when it was replaced with the DWD is Complete thread, which is unfortunately not spoiler free.
 

scosher

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Finally saw episode 7:

Another almost flawless episode. I'll just need to erase that early and pointless Littlefinger scene in the brothel...it also made his betrayal at the end predictable.
 
UraMallas said:
What are we looking like for ratings this week, gents?
I don't think we're going to see any numbers until tomorrow. My guess is that this week is either flat or up slightly. As Sawed-Off pointed out, next week will most likely be down due to the holiday weekend as well as the early HBO Go viewership.
 
scosher said:
Finally saw episode 7:

Another almost flawless episode. I'll just need to erase that early and pointless Littlefinger scene in the brothel...it also made his betrayal at the end predictable.

Yeah, it was largely useless, wish they would have used that time in some other manner. More Arya and Syrio would have been greatly welcomed.
 
Is HBO Go running a little faster now that the traffic is dying down? Have people been having better experiences with it today? I'm just curious how much of the problems/quality dip was due to everyone trying to play Ep 7 at the same time last night.
 

TheExodu5

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scosher said:
Finally saw episode 7:

Another almost flawless episode. I'll just need to erase that early and pointless Littlefinger scene in the brothel...it also made his betrayal at the end predictable.

Yeah, it was pointless, and is going to make watching this episode with my father impossible. I can handle 20 seconds of awkwardness, but 4 and a half minutes is a little much.
 
Count of Monte Sawed-Off said:
Yeah, it was largely useless, wish they would have used that time in some other manner. More Arya and Syrio would have been greatly welcomed.

Ep:8 speculation:
Next episode I'm sure will start with the purge of the Stark supporters... so we're definitely in for some goodness when Syrio protects Arya. Plus the episode is called "The Pointy End" so I'm sure that alludes to Arya taking out a stableboy.
 
IAmtheFMan said:
Ep:8 speculation:
Next episode I'm sure will start with the purge of the Stark supporters... so we're definitely in for some goodness when Syrio protects Arya. Plus the episode is called "The Pointy End" so I'm sure that alludes to Arya taking out a stableboy.

I don't think I'm prepared for that...like...I'm REALLY interested to see how violent that scene is.

I forget exactly how that scene went down. Does anyone have a summary or a line by line from the book?
 
Dark FaZe said:
I don't think I'm prepared for that...like...I'm REALLY interested to see how violent that scene is.

I forget exactly how that scene went down. Does anyone have a summary or a line by line from the book?

I just remember
them storming the Hand's keep, killing everybody. Sansa was locked away by Cersei beforehand, I believe, and of course Arya runs away (and kills a stable boy) while Syrio tries to fend off the guards
 
Dark FaZe said:
I don't think I'm prepared for that...like...I'm REALLY interested to see how violent that scene is.

I forget exactly how that scene went down. Does anyone have a summary or a line by line from the book?

Book summary from Tower of the Hand regarding events likely in Ep:8:

Syrio gives Arya a lesson. He calls out where he will strike so that Arya can counter, but he lies on the final thrust and gets through her defense. Arya is upset, but Syrio points out that his whole body showed the point of attack and only his words were lies. He then tells her a story about the importance of seeing what is really there rather than what someone says is there. When Syrio's predecessor as first sword died, the Sealord of Braavos began conducting interviews with bravos from the city one at a time. When Syrio was brought before him, the Sealord had a beast on his lap he said was brought from a faraway land. Syrio recognized it as an immensely fat yet otherwise ordinary cat and was given the job. All the other candidates had seen an exotic beast because the Sealord said it was exotic, but Syrio saw through the lie. The lesson learned, Syrio tells Arya he is pleased with her progress and believes he might let her use Needle when they get to Winterfell. Suddenly, Ser Meryn bursts into the room with five Lannister guards. He says that Arya's father wants to see her, but Syrio sees through the ruse, and Ser Meryn orders Arya taken. Syrio intercedes to give her time to escape, and Ser Meryn orders him killed. Syrio takes on and defeats all five guards, killing some of them, but cannot do much against the fully armored Ser Meryn. He tells Arya to run and closes with his foe and almost certain death.

Arya runs into an underground storeroom and then crawls out a window. She sees the Tower of the Hand, with the doors bashed in and one of her father's guards dead at the door. She hears the sounds of fighting from within. She realizes she cannot go that way and heads to the stables instead. She sees Hullen at the entrance; he has been stabbed many times. Hullen tells her to warn her father and dies. Inside, there are more dead men: a groom, three Stark guards, including Desmond, and one dead Lannister guard. She sees her chest and searches through it for Needle. A stableboy sees her and tries to turn her in, but she stabs and kills him. She realizes the gates will be shut, but remembers the passage where she had seen the strange men.1 It takes her a while, but she finds her way down and walks towards freedom.
 
Battersea Power Station said:
No, not saying that. But they lead us to believe he was in a conundrum with no way out, when it turned out there was some seemingly basic thing he could've done that everyone knew about, yet acted upset/borderline surprised when he whipped it out.

The trick with this is that a) Tyrion didn't really think that Bronn would come to rescue him, he did it as a last resort. Also, he had seen Bronn fight but didn't know how good of a fighter he would be. Tyrion also, IIRC, makes quite a show about mentioning how Lannisters pay their debts in a place where Bronn can hear, knowing Bronn to be a sell sword.

It's surprising because: b) Nobody in the Eyrie knows that Bronn is sympathetic to Tyrion, not even Catelyn. She seems them joking with each other but beyond that, nothing more. Further, Lysa accepts the trial by combat because she unwittingly thinks that he has no chance: THe Imp can't defeat anybody in combat and his only champion is thousands of miles away... When Lysa accepts that he should have a champion, it's assumed to be Jaime, and she thinks she's outsmarting Tyrion by offering up Jaime. In the Book, Catelyn doubts how wise her sister is, and if I remember correctly, knows that Tyrion is up to something immediately, but can't do much to step in.

FINALLY, is c) It is stressed in the book that if Tyrion does somehow win this fight, he'll have no chance to survive outside the Vale of Arryn. It's surrounded by mountain crazies who are completely mad. So even with Tyrion winning, Lysa doesn't worry all that much about it, knowing that Tyrion will have no chance of survival outside of the Vale.

In short, Lysa really comes away as being a total fool in the whole exchange.
 
Heh, I love it when they try to figure out Littlefinger in the other thread. I'm genuinely happy at how rudimentary they're assuming this story to be, not know what's coming.
 
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