Oh man, that was great. The show has really found its stride now and continues to improve. Loved all the stuff going down at the Eyrie. Its great to see Tyrion weasle and manuever his way out of the worst situations imaginable. It was nice to finally see Robb get to do something as well, and I loved all the stuff at the Dothraki camp. Viserys ended up being just as pathetic as I'd imagined in the books, and his demise was so satisfying. And that final scene and final line - got damn!
Sean Bean (Ned Stark) and Kit Harington (Jon Snow) are both in the next Silent Hill movie.
More screen time for daddy and son!
edit: MAJOR SPOILERS don't read unless you've finished the books and uh, played Silent Hill
blah blah blah and it looks like Sean Bean can't catch a break in either the show or the movie, if you know what happens to both characters. In fact, this should be a meme... the man dies in EVERYTHING, doesnt he?
I find it really well-acted and mostly well-written, but so far the plot is really predictable. The dude saving the two Stark boys after he was just told it's "not his house?" Was that really necessary?
Of course I'm assuming these episodes are all set up so it's not a judgement of the show itself yet.
And while Tyrion's character is hilarious and fun to watch, there was no weaseling or manuevering. He just invoked some rule the viewer couldn't have suspected -- trial by combat. It's like some spell in Harry Potter that was whipped out at a convenient moment. The character should be better than that: he's great.
Anyway, digging the cast so far, the lack of magic, and the potentially interesting power struggles that seem like they're about to begin.
Trial by combat is fairly common in fantasy. Should we waste time on exposition so the viewer knows he can invoke it or should we show important things?
Trial by combat is fairly common in fantasy. Should we waste time on exposition so the viewer knows he can invoke it or should we show important things?
No, not saying that. But they lead us to believe he was in a conundrum with no way out, when it turned out there was some seemingly basic thing he could've done that everyone knew about, yet acted upset/borderline surprised when he whipped it out.
And while Tyrion's character is hilarious and fun to watch, there was no weaseling or manuevering. He just invoked some rule the viewer couldn't have suspected -- trial by combat. It's like some spell in Harry Potter that was whipped out at a convenient moment. The character should be better than that: he's great.
First off, it was mentioned already. When Jamie was talking to Ned about the Mad King. Ned's father demanded trial by combat. It didn't just appear.
2nd, Understand the time period which this is based on. It doesn't seem particularly out of the normal either. Unlike Harry Potter which magically creates new laws as it goes by to explain why Harry is so awesome!.
Trial by combat is fairly common in fantasy. Should we waste time on exposition so the viewer knows he can invoke it or should we show important things?
Yea, trial by combat is extremely common, it's when you claim God is on your side, evoke his name, and those who would judge believed the gods would show fortune on the victor who fights for the truth. It's uh, legally binding in the state of Westeros. It is known.
No, not saying that. But they lead us to believe he was in a conundrum with no way out, when it turned out there was some seemingly basic thing he could've done that everyone knew about, yet acted upset/borderline surprised when he whipped it out.
They weren't surprised that it existed, they were surprised he invoked it when he's a dwarf and they figured no one in the room would champion for him.
And while Tyrion's character is hilarious and fun to watch, there was no weaseling or manuevering. He just invoked some rule the viewer couldn't have suspected -- trial by combat. It's like some spell in Harry Potter that was whipped out at a convenient moment. The character should be better than that: he's great.
No, not saying that. But they lead us to believe he was in a conundrum with no way out, when it turned out there was some seemingly basic thing he could've done that everyone knew about, yet acted upset/borderline surprised when he whipped it out.
Well, the dude is a dwarf. He can't fight, and they didn't know he had an ally of sorts in Bronn. It was unexpected because it was a huge gamble on his part - he had no idea if anyone would answer his call, and if no one had, he would've been chopped up in three seconds.
No, not saying that. But they lead us to believe he was in a conundrum with no way out, when it turned out there was some seemingly basic thing he could've done that everyone knew about, yet acted upset/borderline surprised when he whipped it out.
The tricky part was that no one expected him to do so, considering his physique. What they underestimated was that there was a sellsword willing to do it for the promise of gold. Tyrion knew who would take up the sword in his defense. Tyrion is a very good judge of character.
This question is slightly OT, but I figured this was as good a place to ask as any. Does anyone know who owns the video-game publishing rights to the series?
This question is slightly OT, but I figured this was as good a place to ask as any. Does anyone know who owns the video-game publishing rights to the series?
This question is slightly OT, but I figured this was as good a place to ask as any. Does anyone know who owns the video-game publishing rights to the series?
Yeah, I realized I was being lazy. I am slightly disappointed in what I found though. The RTS game looks like it could be decent, but the studio doesn't have much of a track record. It's a shame they own the RPG rights as well. Maybe a publisher with bigger pockets will be interested in buying the rights from them?
Yeah, I realized I was being lazy. I am slightly disappointed in what I found though. The RTS game looks like it could be decent, but the studio doesn't have much of a track record. It's a shame they own the RPG rights as well. Maybe a publisher with bigger pockets will be interested in buying the rights from them?
Yea, trial by combat is extremely common, it's when you claim God is on your side, evoke his name, and those who would judge believed the gods would show fortune on the victor who fights for the truth. It's uh, legally binding in the state of Westeros. It is known.
Lommy and Hot Pie were cast for this season. Can't see this more as a quick introduction maybe in Ep: 9 or 10 but still.
One thing that I wasn't clear on for Ep: 7: (spoiler for ep: 7 about something that should be known at this point:
Was it clear that Sansa and Arya are still in King's Landing? I have to go back, but didn't Ned tell them that they were leaving at Ep: 6 and we get virtually no scenes with them in Ep: 7? I may have to go back and rewatch it...
Really though, the whole scene was unecessary. It was an unecessary bit of backstory. They've been blunt enough about his character up until this point. That scene just served to hammer it in.
The world and the lore that has built up over the course of the books could definitely lend itself to some interesting interpretations. An exact conversion of the books would be awful though, there's little doubt about that.
The world and the lore that has built up over the course of the books could definitely lend itself to some interesting interpretations. An exact conversion of the books would be awful though, there's little doubt about that.
A video game could work if done Dunk and Egg style. Think of a RPG set in the time of the 7 Kingdoms or during a earlier part of the Targaryen era. You could take some historical context and make up the characters and conflicts.
LaserBuddha said:
It needs to be something removed from the main story. A new character's travels through Westeros during the time of novels, or the travels of an existing character that has a lot of free time outside of their appearances in the novels. As for gameplay, The Witcher 2 minus the magic sounds good.
I don't know, a Gaiden type storyline doesn't really sound that appealing. I think using a part of Westeros' history where they can have more room to present a new story would more sense.
The world and the lore that has built up over the course of the books could definitely lend itself to some interesting interpretations. An exact conversion of the books would be awful though, there's little doubt about that.
It needs to be something removed from the main story. A new character's travels through Westeros during the time of novels, or the travels of an existing character that has a lot of free time outside of their appearances in the novels. I think keeping it in the books' timeline is key, to exploit appearances by characters from the books. Something from the bygone Targeryan era would be nice, but this game needs show/book tie-ins to get funded. As for gameplay, The Witcher 2 minus the magic sounds good.
I'd echo the comments about the extended softcore porn early on going for too long, but I enjoyed Littlefinger's exposition during it. And goddamn at the ending, especially knowing what is coming.
It just goes to show how much emotion you put into scenes when you're reading. Do you just read the words and follow the story, or do you actually see the story coming alive and bursting with colors and emotion, like a film or television series? Sometimes I think I read the books and didn't realize the danger they were in until I saw it onscreen.
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No no no, I guess I just meant that he doesn't show his emotions.
This Tywin is more like "fucking kids..." instead of "...children...behave or I will murder you".
He very much loves Jaime and Cersei. He was going to give the remnants of Ice to Jaime after all. The disappointed father part especially around Jaime is perfect. We'll see him be an asshole towards Tyrion soon enough.
If this was done like the Witcher I'd buy two copies. Or hell even better it could be about Jaime's early adventures in the Kingsguard hunting down outlaws.
Just sayin', in that particular scene, he didn't do anything a reasonable man in his situation wouldn't have done. He was even showing surprise (maybe feigned?) when his riding buddy offered to fight for him.
I did enjoy the application of the family's "words"; even though the mal-developed guard didn't comprehend the subtleties of the situation, he recognized the saying. Feels like thoughtful writing, which I love.
He leaves which could have been an interpretation of that. He could be never seen again in the series(as serving his purpose in the story), which Martin could have mentioned to the producers. Then this could have been interpreted as him being dead. Otherwise that line about the dead person might have been too obvious.
I'm aware Jorah is a stretch just the way they're speeding through his arc is very odd and seems to be leading towards his death. Alot of the stuff involving him being a spy was more subtle in the book and he never received a pardon.
trial by combat isnt law in westeros... im no expert lol but im reading it now and lots of people turn down trial by combat when the stakes are too high
lysa's just nuts and believes that bronn a common mercenary cant beat a well known knight
No, not saying that. But they lead us to believe he was in a conundrum with no way out, when it turned out there was some seemingly basic thing he could've done that everyone knew about, yet acted upset/borderline surprised when he whipped it out.
Not so. Tyrion took a HUGE gamble asking for trial by combat. He had no way of knowing for sure that the sell-sword Bronn would volunteer to be his champion.
But greed got the best of Bronn, and Tyrion's desperate, brilliant gamble worked.
Tyrion had been working on turning Bronn's loyalties during the trip to the Eyrie. This was more obvious in the book.
Not so. Tyrion took a HUGE gamble asking for trial by combat. He had no way of knowing for sure that the sell-sword Bronn would volunteer to be his champion.
But greed got the best of Bronn, and Tyrion's desperate, brilliant gamble worked.
Tyrion had been working on turning Bronn's loyalties during the trip to the Eyrie. This was more obvious in the book.
eh, I dont think it was a huge gamble. It was pretty much the only way he was going to get out of there, and he knew it. His choices were, go insane in the sky cells and fall to his death, have Robin sit in judgement of him, which would mean him going out the sky door, or trial by combat, where he actually has a chance of winning his life.
He leaves which could have been an interpretation of that. He could be never seen again in the series(as serving his purpose in the story), which Martin could have mentioned to the producers. Then this could have been interpreted as him being dead. Otherwise that line about the dead person might have been too obvious.
I'm aware Jorah is a stretch just the way they're speeding through his arc is very odd and seems to be leading towards his death. Alot of the stuff involving him being a spy was more subtle in the book and he never received a pardon.
It wasn't subtle in the books. We learned Jorah was a spy pretty early on in AGOT when Robert tells Ned. His development is a bit different, but it's not really rushed. I see no indication at all that Jorah is going to die this season. They'd have to invent a character to take on his role in season 2 if they did that, which makes zero sense.
It wasn't subtle in the books. We learned Jorah was a spy pretty early on in AGOT when Robert tells Ned. I see no indication at all that Jorah is going to die this season.
The goldcloaks and Janos Slynt did most of the capturing in the novels. When Ned rejected Littlefinger's offer, Littlefinger went over to the lannisters, probably brought along the gold cloaks with him, and pretty much sat back and watched Ned get taken when the Slynt, the gold cloaks, the hound, the lannister guards did all the action, and cersei and joffery did all of the talking
Yeah I honestly think the actor is wasted on such a relatively minor character as Jorah (though I can't think of anyone he's more suited to that wouldn't lead to less screen time, such as Selmy).
He's got a lot of presence with very little in the script to work with. He seems like a relic of a bygone era in film.
It wasn't subtle in the books. We learned Jorah was a spy pretty early on in AGOT when Robert tells Ned. His development is a bit different, but it's not really rushed. I see no indication at all that Jorah is going to die this season. They'd have to invent a character to take on his role in season 2 if they did that, which makes zero sense.
They don't flat out say Jorah is a spy if I remember correctly. They only imply they have a spy close to her. As for season 2, they could not have a new character just to isolate Dany even more. Show how she has noone to depend on. Again I'm aware this is not likely but they are rushing his arc. The main reason he was there initially was to go home and now he really has no reason to stay compared to the books.