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[b0uncyfr0]

Basically if you can get one for $800, its worth considering. If its closer to $900 (as i suspect will be the case in europe), look at the 7900xt instead. It's better value if you dont care about RT.

Used 3090's are also a great option under $700 if you can find one.

Even though 12gb vram is enough for 1440p, i'd still want more just in case. Im glad Hardware unboxed brought it up too ; 16Gb should be the norm for upper mid tier cards.

 

[I Master l]

We might need the FTC to continue their streak with dealing with big tech to go after Nvidia.

 

[Orta]

Been reading a few UK retailer forums/Discords and they are expecting it to sell for £900 (€1022/$1083)

Fucking hell! You could buy a PS5, Series S and an Oled Switch for that.

 

[ACESHIGH]

Folks why do you fall for the DLSS/FSR scam?

If I can't apply that to ALL my games then it's worthless. Nvidia is boosting it's performance numbers with features that are only added to a handful of games.

Reminds me of console gamers asking for resolution and frame rate patches.

Driver level upscalling or GTFO.

 

[Orta]

double post

 

[GymWolf]

Folks why do you fall for the DLSS/FSR scam?

If I can't apply that to ALL my games then it's worthless. Nvidia is boosting it's performance numbers with features that are only added to a handful of games.

Reminds me of console gamers asking for resolution and frame rate patches.

Driver level upscalling or GTFO.

True, but Usually all the latest big games or even relatively hyped AA had dlss or fsr, the one who don't are probably smaller games that don't even need a 1000 dollars gpu to run great.

I onestly forgot the last big game without at least one of those tech.

 

[Nitty_Grimes]

 

[SmokedMeat]

We have to deal with it, Nvidia said that GPU won't get cheaper anymore, it is how it is. It's bad but what can you do.

And you believe their lies?

They want you to fall in line and accept their price gouging. They’ve lost the mining gravy train, and want gamers to make up for it.

 

[SmokedMeat]

I can’t believe people are falling for Nvidia’s pricing game.
The 3080 launched for $700. It was a decent deal, but Nvidia realized they could squeeze suckers for more.

So they put cards out with marginally better performance, for hundreds more and now you have people using those ridiculously priced cards as the measuring stick to compare their newer overpriced cards.

Ooh! $800 for a mid range card that performs better than their grossly overpriced $1500 card? Wowie Zowie what a value!!

Keep in mind the 3070ti was regarded as a poor value at $600. Yet here was are. Stop buying into their bullshit.

 

[Warnen]

Mining fucked gpus. I’d totally go a used 3080 over any of these new cards but when ebayseller420 has 10 identical 3080 used for light gaming only…. Not much of a choice really.

 

[VAVA Mk2]

Wouldn't it make more sense to just buy a 3090 TI assuming the prices should drop to lower than this?

 

[Shifty1897]

Nvidia continues to single handedly kill PC gaming and their stock value this generation.

 

[Damian black]

What card do you suggest for 1440p high refresh gaming?

Is this a question of how much you care about dsll and raytracing? Because I would buy a 6950xt over this any day of the week, assuming I can find it at decent price. I wouldnt be able to find a 4070ti for msrp (which is already too high) for sure in Europe, so I wouldn't even bother looking for it.

 

[CrustyBritches]

This has better performance per dollar/cost per frame than 4080 or 4090. It’s the best bang-for-buck Ada GPU.

 

[RoboFu]

Is this a decent buy at MSRP?

I would say yeah but the problem is there is no reference card right now. All test are done on more expensive partner custom cards. So I would look at the price to be anywhere from $50 - $200 over the $800.

 

[hinch7]

Guess I'm keeping my trusted 1070 for now.. Thanks Nvidia and AMD for gracing us with such performance and 'value'.

 

[Bruno_Arrais85]

another dud

 

[Leonidas]

Wouldn't it make more sense to just buy a 3090 TI assuming the prices should drop to lower than this?

Even if 3090 Ti dropped to near 4070 Ti pricing it still doesn't seem worth it.

3090 Ti lacks DLSS3 and consumes almost 2x the power under gaming load.

Is this a question of how much you care about dsll and raytracing? Because I would buy a 6950xt over this any day of the week, assuming I can find it at decent price. I wouldnt be able to find a 4070ti for msrp (which is already too high) for sure in Europe, so I wouldn't even bother looking for it.

In the US the 6950 XT (on Newegg) is more expensive than the 4070 Ti and it offers worse raster performance and much worse RT performance...

 

[SomeGit]

In the US the 6950 XT (on Newegg) is more expensive than the 4070 Ti and it offers worse raster performance and much worse RT performance...

In the US you can easily get a 6950 XT new for 750/770, if you look around (like on Amazon right now).

But in Europe the situation is much worse, the prices they are asking for the 4070 ti to are comical.

 

[GHG]

We might need the FTC to continue their streak with dealing with big tech to go after Nvidia.

They already did.

Sometimes I wonder if people think before they type.

 

[Leonidas]

In the US you can easily get a 6950 XT new for 750/770, if you look around (like on Amazon right now).

But in Europe the situation is much worse, the prices they are asking for the 4070 to are comical.

Even at $750 the 6950 XT makes no sense, why wouldn't you pay the extra $50-$80 to get better raster, better efficiency and much better RT performance plus DLSS3?.

 

[SomeGit]

Even at $750 the 6950 XT makes no sense, why wouldn't you pay the extra $50-$80 to get better raster, better efficiency and much better RT performance plus DLSS3?.

You aren’t paying 50-80, you are paying 100-150, forget MSRP.

Who cares about DLSS3, and you aren’t getting that much better Raster or RT performance.

 

[Leonidas]

You aren’t paying 50-80, you are paying 100-150, forget MSRP.

Who cares about DLSS3, and you aren’t getting that much better Raster or RT performance.

We'll see about that US pricing, but even at $100-$150 less the 6950 XT makes no sense when you are losing features that I care about and slower at raster while using more power.
4070 Ti is like 40% faster in RT vs. 6950 XT (via Techpowerup multi-game RT benchmarks).

 

[Spyxos]

Wtf 4070ti is 989-1100 in Germany...

 

[VAVA Mk2]

Even if 3090 Ti dropped to near 4070 Ti pricing it still doesn't seem worth it.

3090 Ti lacks DLSS3 and consumes almost 2x the power under gaming load.

In the US the 6950 XT (on Newegg) is more expensive than the 4070 Ti and it offers worse raster performance and much worse RT performance...

Ah got it. So for a completely new build (I have a 1440p ultrawide 144 Hz Gigabyte monitor) should I just go for the 4070TI?

 

[SomeGit]

We'll see about that US pricing, but even at $100-$150 less the 6950 XT makes no sense when you are losing features that I care about and slower at raster while using more power.
4070 Ti is like 40% faster in RT vs. 6950 XT (via Techpowerup multi-game RT benchmarks).

Techpowerup doesn't have the 6950 XT, only the 6900 XT in the review(s).

 

[Leonidas]

Techpowerup doesn't have the 6950 XT, only the 6900 XT in the review(s).

If 4070 Ti is 45% faster than the 6900 XT in their RT chart where do you think the 6950 XT would land?

That's why I said "like 40% faster"... its not going to be far off from that number.

 

[DaGwaphics]

Mining fucked gpus. I’d totally go a used 3080 over any of these new cards but when ebayseller420 has 10 identical 3080 used for light gaming only…. Not much of a choice really.

IKR. I just know with my luck I'd get hosed with some used up mining card if I tried to buy used.

 

[ozz ex machina]

I feel so lucky I got a 3080 at launch for £750.

Nvidia are fucking cunts. Also it's outrageous they have locked dlss 3.0 behind 4 series cards.

 

[SomeGit]

If 4070 Ti is 45% faster than the 6900 XT in RT where do you think the 6950 XT would land?

That's why I said "like 40% faster"...

Then that's you extrapolating (not even correctly, It's not even 45% avg to the 6900 XT) it's not "40% faster in RT vs. 6950 XT (via Techpowerup multi-game RT benchmarks)".

.

 

[Leonidas]

Then that's you extrapolating (not even correctly, It's not even 45% avg to the 6900 XT) it's not "40% faster in RT vs. 6950 XT (via Techpowerup multi-game RT benchmarks)".

.

100% (RTX 4070 Ti) / 69% (RX 6900 XT) = 1.45 = 45%

Give a few extra percent to 6950 XT and I arrive at 1.4 (or as I said "like 40% faster"), what kind of math are you using?

 

[gundalf]

Wtf 4070ti is 989-1100 in Germany...

This is so dumb but even dumber would be if all stock is still sold within the next weeks.

 

[SomeGit]

100% (RTX 4070 Ti) / 69% (RX 6900 XT) = 1.45 = 45%

Give a few extra percent to 6950 XT and I arrive at 1.4, what kind of math are you using?

The math that doesn't just apply 4K result, hence not the average.

 

[hououinkyouma00]

I was actually looking at getting this to replace my 3060ti but it seems like a waste of money.

GPU prices are just insane now, and Nvidia's marketing annoys me to no end with their fabricated benchmarks.

 

[Leonidas]

The math that doesn't just apply 4K result, hence not the average.

No matter which resolution you choose the 4070 Ti is 43-45% faster than the 6900 XT in RT Average graphs from TPU.

Add a few percent for the 6950 XT and you still get to 4070 Ti is "like 40% faster" than 6950 XT in RT.

 

[Leonidas]

Ah got it. So for a completely new build (I have a 1440p ultrawide 144 Hz Gigabyte monitor) should I just go for the 4070TI?

Seems like a solid option for 1440p high refresh given the current market.

 

[SomeGit]

No matter which resolution you choose the 4070 Ti is 43-45% faster than the 6900 XT in RT Average graphs from TPU.

Add a few percent for the 6950 XT and you still get to 4070 Ti is "like 40% faster" than 6950 XT in RT.

As I said, incorrect extrapolation. If you squint your eyes enough and throw enough buzzwords, maybe you'll sucker someone into thinking 850 to 880 dollars for a 4070ti is worth it.

 

[Leonidas]

As I said, incorrect extrapolation.

Explain? 4070 Ti is beating the 6900 XT by 43% at 1080p and 45% at 1440p/4K in TPU RT averages. How much better at RT do you think the 6950 XT is vs. the 6900 XT? 6950 XT is not going to be far off of the 4070 Ti being "like 40% faster" were it to be included in that chart.

If you squint your eyes enough and throw enough buzzwords, maybe you'll sucker someone into thinking 850 to 880 dollars for a 4070ti is worth it.

Not my goal, I just can't think of a better 1440p high refresh card than 4070 Ti in todays market, that's the only situation where it makes sense IMO.

 

[scydrex]

So a 4060 would be around $500-600?

 

[SF Kosmo]

It still seems to perform comparable to a 3090Ti in rasterized performance, but it also seems to perform a lot better in games with heavy RT. And obviously DLSS means like for like rasterization performance with AMD is fairly meaningless, as it can produce a better output with a lower native resolution when compared with FSR.

And even though it might not seem like the boost in performance per dollar we would have wanted compared to last gen, it practical terms it is, because card prices were inflated so far above Founder's Edition MSRP for the past few years. You wouldn't have been able to get anything that came even close to this without paying double that a year ago.

 

[GreatnessRD]

Boy, are we living in a time. If AMD were smart, they'd drop the price of the 7900 XT quicker than a hooker ready to drop them draws for that paper.

 

[SomeGit]

Explain? Do you somehow expect the 6950 XT to magically improve drastically from the 4070 Ti beating the 6900 XT by 43% at 1080p and 45% at 1440p/4K.

Because the 6950XT is around 7 to 10 faster in RT, which would put it well into 35-37%.
Almost 900$ for a 1440p card? Good lord, you really are blind.

 

[Outlier]

We might need the FTC to continue their streak with dealing with big tech to go after Nvidia.

Why? What's the point of a free market, if you can't price goods however you think you can get away with?

It's not Nvidias fault that AMD dropped the ball and Intel is still in kindergarten.

 

[Turk1993]

Looks like all of you gonna act surprised everytime a new gpu gets announced with those prices. We are just fucked get over it, don't buy it till the prices make sense or till you reallt need it. And even if this 4070 ti is still overpriced , its a much better offer than anything Amd has shown. This thing will run for 1000+ euros here in Belgium, ridiculous right? Now look at the Amds offering, 1100+ for the xt and 1400+ for the xtx lol. You can get a 4080 for 1400 here and the 4090 costs over 2200.

Because the 6950XT is around 7 to 10 faster in RT, which would put it well into 35-37%.
Almost 900$ for a 1440p card? Good lord, you really are blind.

Here in Belgium the 6950xt costs over 1000 euros lol. You need to be stupid to buy it over the 4070ti with worse performance, worse rt, worse upscaler(dlss), worse powerdraw and worse overall drivers. Not even the new 7900 xt makes sense over this. Only decent card is the xtx but that thing is even more overpriced for what it offers.

 

[thuGG_pl]

I would say yeah but the problem is there is no reference card right now. All test are done on more expensive partner custom cards. So I would look at the price to be anywhere from $50 - $200 over the $800.

There will be no reference cards.
And the value of it is shit.

 

[DaGwaphics]

This has better performance per dollar/cost per frame than 4080 or 4090. It’s the best bang-for-buck Ada GPU.

At least they are inching ever so slightly in the right direction. Must have killed them having to chop that $100 off the top.

 

[SomeGit]

Here in Belgium the 6950xt costs over 1000 euros lol. You need to be stupid to buy it over the 4070ti with worse performance, worse rt, worse upscaler(dlss), worse powerdraw and worse overall drivers. Not even the new 7900 xt makes sense over this. Only decent card is the xtx but that thing is even more overpriced for what it offers.

In Belgium you can get it at 800 Euros on Amazon DE or FR, I wouldn't pay that for a card but you can get it under 1000.

 

[Leonidas]

Because the 6950XT is around 7 to 10 faster in RT, which would put it well into 35-37%.
Almost 900$ for a 1440p card? Good lord, you really are blind.

At least you are no longer claiming my math was wrong.

Where did you get the 7-10% delta from? I got a 4-5% delta by calculating the difference from all the RT values of 6950XT and 6900XT in TPU 6950 XT review.

Your 7-10% number is made up from what?

And even if it was 7-10%, what difference is me saying "like 40%" and you saying "35-37%"? Too funny

 

[Wildebeest]

Nvidia say that Moore's law is dead, but since the demand curve isn't dead they can't just say that expect people to spend a lot more for small improvements.

 

[SomeGit]

At least you are no longer claiming my math was wrong.

Where did you get the 7-10% delta from? I got a 4-5% delta by calculating the difference from all the RT values of 6950XT and 6900XT in TPU 6950 XT review.

Your 7-10% number is made up from what?

And even if it was 7-10%, what difference is me saying "like 40%" and you saying "35-37%"? Too funny

I never said your math was wrong, not even once, I said you extrapolation was incorrect. Which it was and still it. 35 and 37 isn't "like 40%" it's a round up from a round up.
Don't worry maybe you'll sucker someone enough to buy one.