bitbydeath
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In your honest opinion, who is the better gaming company leader? Phil Spencer or Jim Ryan?
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feynoob
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he is a legend.
Jennings
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In my honest opinion I'm an uninformed pleb and wouldn't recognize either person on the street and am in no position whatsoever to select the better company leader when I don't know the first thing about them or their company's internal goals, milestones, and achievements. All I know what what I see in the headlines, and none of that is tangible or at all reflective of their internal strategy. Show me a good metric to judge them by and I'll show you a meaningless metric as it represents where the company actually wants to be in ten years, compared to where console warriors want them to be.
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We won't know if Jim is a good leader until he faces adversity. He took over a juggernaut with 70% market share and the best studios in the industry. He took over the 1920s Yankees with a team of all time greats. Anyone with half a brain could run playstation right now.
Hobbygaming
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As long as ol' Jimmy boy keeps games like Ragnarok coming he'll always get my dollars
bitbydeath
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He has improved it exponentially since taking over. Naughty Dog was once a one title only studio and has since turned into a 3/4 title studio, along with a number of other PlayStation studios.
I think the purchase of Insomniac and obtaining their knowledge has better allowed them to manage multiple titles at once.
The same tactic is again being used with the purchase of Bungie to bring back MP games to PlayStation.
On top of that he’s heavily invested in support studios to churn games out faster as well.
Happosai
Hold onto your panties
Agreed, I'm an ops manager for a pretty big Westcoast CEO. There's nothing to be impressed by aside from his engineering accomplishments. Most interesting in gaming would be writers and devs. Not corporate.
Robbinhood
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One is kicking the others ass without an infinite warchest. And managed to release games.
Torrent of Pork
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I've eaten like a fat fuck from all the Gamepass titles. Even without big AAA 1st party releases I still have too many games to play. It helps that the AAA market is now paint-by-numbers cinematic 3rd person action adventure game with stealth and light RPG mechanics.
Just saying, it would be nice if we could get anything else beside an over-monetized racing game.
Just saying, it would be nice if we could get anything else beside an over-monetized racing game.
FoxMcChief
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So no games have been releasing on Game Pass, got it.
vaibhavpisal
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This is one sided.
Mark Cerny would be a better competition to Lord Phil.
Mark Cerny would be a better competition to Lord Phil.
feynoob
Banned
It's easier to print out games, when you have the system ready for you.
The guy who saved PS from ps3 gave Ryan an easy time, and put out the blue print for current PS studios.
Still, Ryan did a magnificent job by expanding PS, and focusing on other markets.
MarkMe2525
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My bias to Phil comes from the fact that I always see him online, partaking in the hobby. For all that xbox lacks, I feel like as a gaming platform it is second to none. It's full of QoL features that you wouldn't even know you wanted until they are implemented. You can tell Phil is on his xbox, gets irritated with something, and then gets with his engineers to come up with a fix or new QoL feature.
Edit: I don't think Phil is a great business man, not a bad businessman, but not great.
Edit: I don't think Phil is a great business man, not a bad businessman, but not great.
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Kagey K
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Let's wait until the end of the gen before calling it out, one inherited a goldmine, the other a shitbox.
We don't really know Jim's full benefit/damage as a lot of what we are seeing now was done before he took the helm, at the same time Phil's been at it longer, but was really hamstrung until right about the same time Jimbo got promoted. (2019)
We don't really know Jim's full benefit/damage as a lot of what we are seeing now was done before he took the helm, at the same time Phil's been at it longer, but was really hamstrung until right about the same time Jimbo got promoted. (2019)
feynoob
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Until he is tired.
FoxMcChief
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Only one of them is award winning Legend.
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thismeinteil
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Jim Ryan easily. He's keeping PS a well oiled machine with constant game releases and investment in support studios, as well as some really good developer purchases, Insomniac being a big one.
Phil is just a mouthpiece for the higher ups. If Satya wanted Xbox dead, Phil would agree and say publicly that gaming is dying. Fortunately for Xbox fans, a CEO came along that saw a future in streaming content (that is Satya's background, after all) and is willing to try and spend MS into dominance in that sector. Phil, however, should not be given a pass when we see the lackluster first party output for the last decade. Their studios are obviously poorly managed.
Phil is just a mouthpiece for the higher ups. If Satya wanted Xbox dead, Phil would agree and say publicly that gaming is dying. Fortunately for Xbox fans, a CEO came along that saw a future in streaming content (that is Satya's background, after all) and is willing to try and spend MS into dominance in that sector. Phil, however, should not be given a pass when we see the lackluster first party output for the last decade. Their studios are obviously poorly managed.
ShadyAcshuns
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Were I give my honest opinion about anyone who holds Jim Ryan in high regards, I'd likely be moderated. I'll politely decline the offer.
Trogdor1123
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From the position as a gamer, probably Phil. Gamepass and the aggressive acquisitions have been great for Xbox players. The internal studios hasn’t been great but seems to be getting better… ish. As for an investor, I’d say Jim and it wouldn’t even be close. The internal studios pump out games at a decent paca and are of good quality. New services have started and he seems to have a vision of where he is going (so does Phil I might add). They but companies that cost less, but add more than their value.
Now, these may both change significantly in the long run.
Now, these may both change significantly in the long run.
existensmaximum
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Good for business or good for gamers?
Benniewise de Clown
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Kaz Hirai
Couldn't care less about Spencer or Ryan.
Couldn't care less about Spencer or Ryan.
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PR-wise it is definitely Phil Spencer but overall it is hard to say. Both aren't great and this should be asked at the end of this gen since Jim just became the leader at the start of this gen. I'd have to give it to Phil Spencer at the end of the day since he seems to have saved xbox and managed to convince Nadella to invest ridiculously into games. All Jim had to do was not mess up what they had going on.
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Chukhopops
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Spencer:
- CEO of gaming
- made gaming available to more people
- friends with the guy who made Morrowind
- infinite charisma, gets 70 billion from his boss with a 5-slide PowerPoint
Ryan:
- puts his PS5 upside down
- made gaming available to fewer people
- friends with the guy who made Knack
- zero charisma, looks British or worse
Hmm… can’t decide.
- CEO of gaming
- made gaming available to more people
- friends with the guy who made Morrowind
- infinite charisma, gets 70 billion from his boss with a 5-slide PowerPoint
Ryan:
- puts his PS5 upside down
- made gaming available to fewer people
- friends with the guy who made Knack
- zero charisma, looks British or worse
Hmm… can’t decide.
Tiago Rodrigues
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One has all the money you can wish for and has been doing this for nearly a decade. Somehow released 2 new consoles and forgot about the games. Xbox is going through the biggest drought ever in terms of releases, the last big game released a year ago as a live game and it’s almost dead already with the next big game coming in like 5 or 6 months. His Gamepass service had been missing all MS target numbers for 2 years in a row.
The other one has been with PlayStation since day one, is ruling a company by being strategic and is responsible for some of the biggest PlayStation deals since the 90s, including the PlayStation deal with UEFA, he always knew what would work and managed in just a few years to have the biggest home console ever over here with PSOne which is no easy feat for such a continent with so many countries, tastes and cultures. And ever since then that has never changed. Now he’s still thinking ahead by boosting his relationship with studios in emerging markets such as Korea and China with some other games still coming while other companies needed to get to 2022 to realize this would be good investment. He also has proven to be smart with revamping PlayStation relationships with indies and that initiative already brought us games like Fall Guys, Genshin Impact, Stray, SiFu, etc…he also bought the biggest number of studios for PlayStation, including one that at least 2 others tried and failed: Insomniac. He has been responsible for quite a few great deals and all big games have marketing rights with his platform (Fifa, Fortnite, Call of Duty). Many third party studios have also been using PlayStation tech to develop their games like Resident Evil or Callisto Protocol, boosting also PS relationship with 3rd party publishers and developers. Recently he revamped PSPlus and it managed to boost its revenue by 25% in a single quarter. Game releases have been going well with more games then ever in production for PS studios, plus a new and impressive VR set on the way.
I mean…Jim.
The other one has been with PlayStation since day one, is ruling a company by being strategic and is responsible for some of the biggest PlayStation deals since the 90s, including the PlayStation deal with UEFA, he always knew what would work and managed in just a few years to have the biggest home console ever over here with PSOne which is no easy feat for such a continent with so many countries, tastes and cultures. And ever since then that has never changed. Now he’s still thinking ahead by boosting his relationship with studios in emerging markets such as Korea and China with some other games still coming while other companies needed to get to 2022 to realize this would be good investment. He also has proven to be smart with revamping PlayStation relationships with indies and that initiative already brought us games like Fall Guys, Genshin Impact, Stray, SiFu, etc…he also bought the biggest number of studios for PlayStation, including one that at least 2 others tried and failed: Insomniac. He has been responsible for quite a few great deals and all big games have marketing rights with his platform (Fifa, Fortnite, Call of Duty). Many third party studios have also been using PlayStation tech to develop their games like Resident Evil or Callisto Protocol, boosting also PS relationship with 3rd party publishers and developers. Recently he revamped PSPlus and it managed to boost its revenue by 25% in a single quarter. Game releases have been going well with more games then ever in production for PS studios, plus a new and impressive VR set on the way.
I mean…Jim.
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Klayzer
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IMO. The biggest one (Sony), is all the investment in Korea and China to supplement their own missing Japanese style games. Lots of titles being developed.
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Esppiral
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Someone just redo this gif with modern AI asap!Kaz was better than both
DenchDeckard
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Phil Spencer easy and it's no competition. Rhis mam deserves some legend of the world award or something.
Hell make up his own special award just for him.
Hell make up his own special award just for him.
Tiago Rodrigues
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Good thing we just got Gran Turismo, Team Asobi is hard at work on another game, Square Enix deals have never been so big, with Forspoken, Final Fantasy VII Rebirth, Final Fantasy XVI, there’s also Rise of the Ronin coming and I’m not counting their investment on From Software which they now own 14%. Most of these are deals Jim made.
bentanchorbolt
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And not a single game listed there interests me in the slightest.
Wow Ryan can money hat thanks to the 70% market share inherented from House and crew great job! Gee i don't think anybody else could pull that off.
jm89
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House and crew? You mean the crew that jim ryan was in?
yurinka
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There's one who makes the biggest amount of revenue than any current or previous console maker CEO, is making more profit that his company has ever been, has the biggest install base and active userbase, the relatively recent games (since he joined) from their teams are selling better than these IPs or studios ever did plus his company earns more goty awards than anyone else plus their games get great reviews.
His financials are great and is investing to grow in all areas: size of internal studios, acquiring studios, signing more 2nd and 3rd party exclusives than before, helping more indies than before, growing in new markets like VR, PC, mobile or movies, game subs, etc.
I think the clear answe is Jim Ryan.
His financials are great and is investing to grow in all areas: size of internal studios, acquiring studios, signing more 2nd and 3rd party exclusives than before, helping more indies than before, growing in new markets like VR, PC, mobile or movies, game subs, etc.
I think the clear answe is Jim Ryan.
Sony has a 45% market share of consoles, not 70%. Jim Ryan already was at Sony, he was running the most successful region of PlayStation in the world: Europe. And after he became CEO he broke basically all records they had to achieve.
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Klayzer
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All true. Still looking forward to the Chinese and Korean takes on games funded with Sony or Microsoft backing.
adamosmaki
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Ah yes let's start arguing ceo vs ceo. That's a fascinating topic
Jubenhimer
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No Shuntaro Furukawa? (Nintendo's president)
Anyway, It's Jim. I know everybody likes Phil's Charisma, but Ryan I feel is doing a better job at showing and delivering results so far (even if it's not perfect either). And ultimately, that's what makes a good buisnessman, somebody who can deliver a strong product that prints money for the company, and for all his faults, Ryan is doing a better job at that.
Anyway, It's Jim. I know everybody likes Phil's Charisma, but Ryan I feel is doing a better job at showing and delivering results so far (even if it's not perfect either). And ultimately, that's what makes a good buisnessman, somebody who can deliver a strong product that prints money for the company, and for all his faults, Ryan is doing a better job at that.
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mansoor1980
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did a google search for the topic by OP and found interesting results
Sorry, but I would not change Spencer for Ryan like...ever.
I know that both of them are business executives, but at least Spencer is building something from "ruins" that execs before him left. Ryan just inherited well oiled machine and he still manages to do some really dumb decisions.
Every Sony fan who is claiming that they would not change Ryan for Spencer are just lying to themselves. Imagine pro-consumer moves like free next-gen upgrades, Smart delivery, expansion to more devices etc. with established studios like Naughty Dog, Insomniac, SSM etc.
I know that both of them are business executives, but at least Spencer is building something from "ruins" that execs before him left. Ryan just inherited well oiled machine and he still manages to do some really dumb decisions.
Every Sony fan who is claiming that they would not change Ryan for Spencer are just lying to themselves. Imagine pro-consumer moves like free next-gen upgrades, Smart delivery, expansion to more devices etc. with established studios like Naughty Dog, Insomniac, SSM etc.
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Play Ragnarok
Tiago Rodrigues
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Every pro consumer moves are happening due to Xbox being last on the console market. PlayStation was also pro consumer during the early ps4 days. It has nothing to do with who’s in charge lmao.
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