Fake
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But was Control physics just for that? You're getting the strenght of one game and comparing with other who don't have. Its just like comparing the wind simulation of HZD/DS with Control. Don't make much sense.
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But was Control physics just for that? You're getting the strenght of one game and comparing with other who don't have. Its just like comparing the wind simulation of HZD/DS with Control. Don't make much sense.
longdi
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Another example of some fine console "optimization" here. Directly from Remedy. No guess work involved.
but but buu...what happened to the console metal, secret sauces?
PCMR keeps winning.
sncvsrtoip
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they are very similar arch, ps5 has some custom tweaks + rdna2 souce tough
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SlimySnake
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Nah, Im saying that the comparison to Spiderman is bad because they are indeed two very different games. You cant say Spiderman looks better when its physics and destruction are basically equivalent of a game from the PS360 gen. Control is doing things that we will only start to see in the PS5 gen.
John Wick
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See this dumb comment here? I don't know why people like you waste your own time coming into these threads to post Captain Obvious statements? Look news at 22:00 $400 console is outdated compared to $400 and above GPU.
Rudius
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Those are average fps. In order to have a mostly stable 60fps you need some headroom, so at ultra 1440p even that 2080ti would probably be below 60 in combat.This is disappointing.
He also continues right after this to explain that Far Object LOD on PS5 is lower than PC's Low. I also still don't understand why console versions of games always get shafted on the texture filtering even though that barely affects performance and improves the image dramatically. AF 16x has been a thing since like 2000-2001 and NG consoles still use 4x or 8x AF at best
I have seen this game run at 1440p/Ultra/avg of 60 (or close to) on a PC that is pretty comparable to a PS5/Series X. I am having a hard time understanding why NG consoles (assuming XsX has these same settings) can't do better.
Look at the difference in shadows here
I am a little bit letdown with this one. Oh well.
I still love the game, and can't wait to Plat it this week. Still a great offering for free on PSN+
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I am sorry, but if a 2070 Super can do 51 avg at Ultra, I don't understand why PS5 (and assuming XsX as well) can't do better than Low/Off/Lower than low at either 30 (with RT), or 60 (without RT). Should 16x AF and High textures really be out of reach on either console? I had my roommate boot the game up on his 3060 Ti and he is averaging around 70 FPS at 1440p/Ultra (no RT), native resolution. Yes, a 3060 Ti is better than XsX and PS5 GPU but by how much, like 15 percent maybe?
Mister Wolf
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They will just tell you that stuff doesn't matter to them. I agree with you. Adding to that those Spider-Man games while being open world don't even have a realtime day/night cycle or dynamic weather. When is the last time you've seen an open world game not have that? Even Xenoblade 2 has that. But hey did you see those better hair textures. Impressive stuff right there /s.
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sncvsrtoip
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you can say spiderman looks better couse its look better by miles but control physcis is for sure on another level
longdi
Banned
consoles are probably more ram and bandwidth starved than their specs say.
they need to do realtime OS with realtime recording and game switching.
Thats why a 8GB 2070S can run at higher graphics settings.
Furthermore, console API and metal seem lesser a factor since DX12
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Lethal01
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These are the kind of flaws that I'm having shoved in my face every second whenever I play a "realistic" video game.
Fixing these things are probably one of the best if the not best use of resources period.
John Wick
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Maybe because the games main platform was PC?This is disappointing.
He also continues right after this to explain that Far Object LOD on PS5 is lower than PC's Low. I also still don't understand why console versions of games always get shafted on the texture filtering even though that barely affects performance and improves the image dramatically. AF 16x has been a thing since like 2000-2001 and NG consoles still use 4x or 8x AF at best
I have seen this game run at 1440p/Ultra/avg of 60 (or close to) on a PC that is pretty comparable to a PS5/Series X. I am having a hard time understanding why NG consoles (assuming XsX has these same settings) can't do better.
Look at the difference in shadows here
I am a little bit letdown with this one. Oh well.
I still love the game, and can't wait to Plat it this week. Still a great offering for free on PSN+
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I am sorry, but if a 2070 Super can do 51 avg at Ultra, I don't understand why PS5 (and assuming XsX as well) can't do better than Low/Off/Lower than low at either 30 (with RT), or 60 (without RT). Should 16x AF and High textures really be out of reach on either console? I had my roommate boot the game up on his 3060 Ti and he is averaging around 70 FPS at 1440p/Ultra (no RT), native resolution. Yes, a 3060 Ti is better than XsX and PS5 GPU but by how much, like 15 percent maybe?
Fake
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No no, I guess he is comparing the RT of one game with the RT of another. Now, this can be done.
Negotiator101
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Is 4k out of its reach? At the moment I'm thinking which way to go, PC or Series X. Series X hasn't really impressed me so far (same as PS5) I expected more.
Tickle My Tendies
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
PC games have become very poor at showing off differences in settings. Going from High to Ultra settings is usually imperceptible in most games, and a lot of times Medium to high gives you a huge performance boost without losing much in IQ. Quite frankly, it's my biggest gripe with PC gaming. They need way more than Low Medium high settings for AA, AO and shadows. Ray tracing is a good start, but PC games need better physics, more crowd NPCs and vehicles in open world games, more destructible environments, better enemy A.I and something better than tessellation which I swear I cant tell the difference even if i set tessellation to max in some games.
I have no idea why Anthem, Cyberpunk and Witcher 3 had to be downgraded on the PC. They basically need to create two different versions of the game because these settings clearly dont offer much in the way of graphical fidelity.
Redlancet
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yeah,its shows in games like demons souls and rachet,so outdated...
Lethal01
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That's not something that will be prominent in the quick ports we are getting a couple months after the console releases.
As always things improve a lot over time on consoles. Both due to better utilization of the hardware and just that more actual next gen games come out rather than ports.
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kyliethicc
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The Oldest House awaits: Control Ultimate Edition comes to PlayStation Plus tomorrow
The award-winning supernatural adventure will have full DualSense support, 60fps gameplay, and ray tracing on PS5.
blog.playstation.com
Tickle My Tendies
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I just want to add, in the midst of getting dunked on for my opinions on the previous page, that I still can't wait to play the game tomorrow, I will plat it this week for sure. Additionally, I still think it looks pretty damn good in the DF footage. I just expected higher settings. I still don't understand why pop-in is such an issue on new consoles when I thought that was one of the main selling points to this new hardware (but maybe I am just confusing that with what the UE5 demo promised). That's on me. I'll get over it.
I still love my PS5. Don't hate me. I'm just a dumbass in a basement.
Not necessarily
Obviously gonna vary game to game, but for a demanding game, like Metro Exodus, it's averaging 46 FPS at 4k. For 4k the 3080 is probably the best entry point if you wan to be good to go for this gen
Nvidia GeForce RTX 3060 Ti — 4K Gaming Benchmarks - Nvidia GeForce RTX 3060 Ti Founders Edition Review: Ampere for Only $399 | Tom's Hardware
I still love my PS5. Don't hate me. I'm just a dumbass in a basement.
Not necessarily
Obviously gonna vary game to game, but for a demanding game, like Metro Exodus, it's averaging 46 FPS at 4k. For 4k the 3080 is probably the best entry point if you wan to be good to go for this gen
Nvidia GeForce RTX 3060 Ti — 4K Gaming Benchmarks - Nvidia GeForce RTX 3060 Ti Founders Edition Review: Ampere for Only $399 | Tom's Hardware
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CrustyBritches
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Mister Wolf
I assumed they used max settings with medium RT preset on the test I did with my 2060 Super...and this was the mix they're using?
This makes WDL and Control that a 2060 Super takes on next-gen consoles without DLSS.Soulblighter31
Banned
Theres nothing quick about this version. What exactly is getting better on consoles over time ? Games run worse and worse as time goes by and framerate lowers with each year. What exactly do you imagine gets better over time ? The hardware doesnt change. The parts that run Control right now are the same parts that will run 7 years from now
Mister Wolf
Gold Member
Pretty much.
I assumed they used max settings with medium RT preset on the test I did with my 2060 Super...and this was the mix they're using?
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Lethal01
Member
Sure, but better software will utilize those parts better, as it always does. As time goes on you get better visuals at the same performance or better performance with the same visuals on consoles. Except for fuck ups like Cyberpunk and what not.
Negotiator101
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Impressive, well happy with that.I just want to add, in the midst of getting dunked on for my opinions on the previous page, that I still can't wait to play the game tomorrow, I will plat it this week for sure. Additionally, I still think it looks pretty damn good in the DF footage. I just expected higher settings. I still don't understand why pop-in is such an issue on new consoles when I thought that was one of the main selling points to this new hardware (but maybe I am just confusing that with what the UE5 demo promised). That's on me. I'll get over it.
I still love my PS5. Don't hate me. I'm just a dumbass in a basement.
Not necessarily
Obviously gonna vary game to game, but for a demanding game, like Metro Exodus, it's averaging 46 FPS at 4k. For 4k the 3080 is probably the best entry point if you wan to be good to go for this gen
Nvidia GeForce RTX 3060 Ti — 4K Gaming Benchmarks - Nvidia GeForce RTX 3060 Ti Founders Edition Review: Ampere for Only $399 | Tom's Hardware
Tickle My Tendies
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Wow, Twitter is already getting spicy about this analysis.
So that's gonna apply to every game moving forward? 16x AF just isn't a thing on consoles, ever?
People getting really defensive about the low PS5 settings....not sure why. Fair to criticize. Sorry if my thoughts bother you. Feel free to add me to ignore.
M1chl already explained this to you in the Hitman 3 thread...
So that's gonna apply to every game moving forward? 16x AF just isn't a thing on consoles, ever?
People getting really defensive about the low PS5 settings....not sure why. Fair to criticize. Sorry if my thoughts bother you. Feel free to add me to ignore.
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Bogroll
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Another example of some fine console "optimization" here. Directly from Remedy. No guess work involved.
Oh man when I upgraded from my 7850 1GB to a 5700xt... you'll be in for a real treat.. someday
Fredrik
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PS5? This makes Series X look just as bad. And what can they do? The reality is that AMD’s tech is ruining console RT, that’s what’s happening. Can’t do a thing about it. Well they can hope that AMD has a better RT solution ready for use in X/Pro.
Disappointing.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
what? the PS5 specs arent the same as XSX specs. Or at least we dont know that yet. This has nothing to do with the xsx we dont even know how the xsx performs.
onnextflix5
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What about xsx, how dose that run, should be 4k 60fps right?. With the 12tf rdna2 right lol
Topher
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The eurogamer article says PS5 and XSX have "feature parity" and both consoles have the same modes.
Control Ultimate Edition - how next-gen consoles transform a classic game • Eurogamer.net
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Negotiator101
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Can't see it being much different, remember this is an old game. Newer releases are far more likely to take advantage of these consoles architecture (both have some unique features).
A2una1
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You do realize, that even if it is a newer Version of the engine, loading in generall will be about the same in a functional way. Meaning, the way loading works will be pretty much the same. To Utalize this kind of storage in a way to have instantanious loading, it will require a even more custom approach for the engine specificly tailored to the ps5s architecture. I don't think many cross plattform games will do this, since development resources are rarely that freely given away for such a minor benefit (we're talking about near single digit seconds here). On the other hand, there is the headroom of doing so because the technology is there....
Werewolfgrandma
Banned
You should pay more attention then. Sony first party does some great environments. Sounds like you missing out.
Not worth the trade off on console.
TGO
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
hmm, thats disappointing. i was at least hoping for better res in Xbox. What are those 2 extra tflops being used for then?
I wonder if Hitman will the exception instead of the norm.
I have been pretty vocal about Sony settling for a $399 console instead of pushing for more tflops and giving us a true $499 console with a bigger GPU, but if the xsx isnt able to offer better performance on a consistent basis then I cant fault Sony too much for going cheap, can I.
I think the fault lies with AMD here. They are over 2 years behind Nvidia at the moment failing to match the RT performance of their 20 series cards. The consoles had no chance.
ThatOneGrunt
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I still think Minecraft is the best use of Raytracing that I've seen so far. I think all it's advantages are more in accurate rendering of light and less about reflections (even though the two are technically the same).
That deep dive into the Raytracing for Cyberpunk had a lot of great examples of how real light behavior can add weight and presence to objects in games that could never be done before without Raytracing. Made me a believer.
Werewolfgrandma
Banned
Minecraft uses gi
Insane Metal
Member
Damn that's disappointing
Kagoshima_Luke
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I must admit, 3 months after the launch of the PS5, I don't want to see the word "low" in any PC setting equivalency conversations.
M1chl
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It should not meant to be stated like that, I just stated why is challenging to implement it in full extend.
Silent Viper
Banned
Not bad for $399(PS5 DE) console. Let me know how game fares even on a 500$ PC let alone 300$... Its very demanding game and top line expensive PCs cant do RT in this game at playable 60 fps without using DLSS.Another example of some fine console "optimization" here. Directly from Remedy. No guess work involved.
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