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There are more Disney subs than Gamepass subs. OP reaches stupid conclusion.

MonarchJT

Banned
you havent touched psnow son,its pretty decent and work flawessly but its not sony priority


btw FUCKING LOL at gamepass embassators getting mad at disney plus comparasions when they spend years talking about how gamepass its the netflix of gaming

Of course I meant that it is a disaster as investment. They had to pivot it from a streaming service to a downloadable one already (they had to follow GamePass in some way to stay relevant) without gaining any traction at the market level and if you think the service came out in 2014 well you already have your answer . People go mad simply because the comparison to Disney + is so stupid that it can cause you to drop your IQ if you repeat it too many times. People call it Netflix of GAMING not the Netflix of video streaming services. The comparison with that service is often done to make it clear more or less and quickly to those who have no idea of what GamePass it is about. Because people know Netflix well and how it works and not because the services are directly comparable. Is it so hard to understand?
 
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RoboFu

One of the green rats
Alot of people got Disney+ for free for a year or subsidized/free with deals from phone and internet companies like Verizon.

next step for ms is their cloud gaming service where they can do the same.
 
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Banjo64

cumsessed
Alot of people for Disney+ for free for a year or subsidized/free with deals from phone and internet companies like Verizon.

next step for ms is their cloud gaming service where they can do the same.
Mine was £20 for a full 12 months after cash back. I then signed a new deal with o2 for my phone which included an additional free 6 months of Disney+ to stack on top of my existing sub.
 
when designing strategy for new product/service, or when you are new company (startup) you would look at TAM, SAM and TA

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All 3 a valid and important when speaking with existing and potential investors.

This is a pretty interesting chart. This is the bottomline of my post actually.

How much market does MS think a pure game streaming service potentially has to warrant such confidence of putting all their eggs in gamepass basket?
 

Stuart360

Member
Slightly off topic but Yakuza 3, 4, and 5 just went live on PC Gamepass, and i assume Xbox Gamepass.
For the people interested.
 

pasterpl

Member
This is a pretty interesting chart. This is the bottomline of my post actually.

How much market does MS think a pure game streaming service potentially has to warrant such confidence of putting all their eggs in gamepass basket?

People tend to forget that MS did a staggered release of GP, first Xbox, then PC, then xCloud (after separate beta) and xCloud is still to be released on all target devices (ios, smart TVs). Each of these stages took some time and I am sure that they have used that time from each phase to gather data and decide on the next steps, do they need to pivot or change. It surprising that people think that big companies make impulse decisions without first analyzing everything and assessing the size of the opportunity.

People tend to forget that it took Netflix almost 5 years to get to 80 ml subscribers, same took Disney+ only 12 months, it is not only about the content but also fact that adoption and "acceptance" of streaming media increased, and Netflix had a huge impact on this - showing customers that video streaming can work, that's why we see lots of new video streaming platforms being created constantly.

Microsoft is trying to create a service that anyone playing video games should subscribe to, video games are different than movies/tv series, but the goal is similar, to attract all people who play, regardless of the device to GamePass. I wouldn't be surprised if at some stage there will be additional tiers in GamePass, specifically one that is free, for casuals to play games like Sea Of Thieves and where publishers are making most of their revenues from microtransactions. People who play candy crush and don't even realize how much money they are spending on some in-game purchases. Then paid subscription, at current price with all included and more game. (I can see potentially 3rd tier for people who want to share one subscription on multiple devices to play at the same time).
 

sn0man

Member
OP you’ve really upset some folks here. They even changed the thread title because they were too upset to just have a conversation. Just like they are saying, why are you concern troll posting I would say why are they white knighting a for pay service from a for profit company. I think you bring up interesting points.

Me personally: I was a huge 360 fan. That generation and the idea of owning a piece of plastic is fading. I get it. I’ll adapt or be left behind. But as you point out on the other side, there are other ways to consume games. I played Heroes of The Storm last night. I know I don’t own that but I didn’t have to pay anything and I had a fine time. I can buy steam games (or play the ones I bought and never played that are 10 years old). I’ll still pick up that $60 Nintendo title every now and then and 9/10 times I’ll play it immediately. Like you I’ve got a life and a job and paying for a rotating selection of video games doesn’t interest me. Though we have Hulu and Netflix, and I’m mostly okay with those

MS doesn’t get called a great value for no reason but they have to compete with disruptive (and $-free or established options).

Kinda like YouTube vs Disney+.

Or was the entire project sold to the higher ups that hold the purse strings, on the idea that this would bring AAA console gaming to the masses, bypassing the need for expensive hardware entirely, and truly being 'the Netflix of gaming'?

I suspect it's the latter, because the numbers involved in the cost and comparative revenue generated by gamepass compared to traditional gaming, given the potential audience of 100% of Xbox owners (being as generous as possible), has never added up.
Thats the question isn’t it. I think the Bethesda acquisition speaks to them assuming it can go larger than it is. Microsoft has a mostly good (counter examples: Zune, Windows Phone) track record at keeping a business going
have spent about $320 USD last year on games that I would never have played if not for Game Pass. Just Cause 3 and 4? Would not have bought 3 if I hadn't played the third and fourth entries on Game Pass. Senua? Bought it after playing on Game Pass. Attach rates for GP subbers are high and the service does provide incredible value: I replayed the entire Mass Effect trilogy with a buttery-smooth frame rate on XSX for 15 (!) bucks a month. Currently 80h into Dragon Quest XI. How much did it cost? Same 15 bucks of month. Switched back and forth between Knights of the Old Republic on Xbox BC and Doom Eternal. How much was it? 15 dollars a month.
Every time someone brings up the rental prospect I have to stop and reassess my considerations of gamepass. You’re right. Again even in the pandemic I’m not quite at the same volume as you. Thinking aloud:
Animal crossing, demon souls (the OG, hell no I ain’t got no PS5), Heros of The Storm, wizard of legend, a bit of Gran Turismo 6 and Dirt Rally and Mario Kart, Don’t Starve, TLOU2, TLOUR, vitamin c, and that’s all I can think of right now.

I think we are just a different volume of gamer. That’s awesome, the rental aspect of GamePass. In a way I’d love to see them charge $5 a month and give 5 hours of access to each game on the service. Seems like it could be a win win

Outside of their core supporters this has built an unfavorable narrative for the service. "It's a Gamepass game" is a term used to denigrate, not inspire.

yes I’ve seen that too. I think that 2022–23 will be crucial. Now they have Bethesda and the chance to differentiate (like games come out 30 days early on gamepass) to build up some hype.
 
People tend to forget that it took Netflix almost 5 years to get to 80 ml subscribers, same took Disney+ only 12 months, it is not only about the content but also fact that adoption and "acceptance" of streaming media increased, and Netflix had a huge impact on this - showing customers that video streaming can work, that's why we see lots of new video streaming platforms being created constantly.

Fair enough. It's a matter of having faith that game streaming service will have the same fate and be adopted by the mainstream. Otherwise, MS will have to live with fewer subs among their hardcore fans. At that point price and value will be adjusted accordingly.

Edit: Gamepass is 3.5 years now.

I understand that you have faith in what MS is doing. What I see is that gamepass is a hard sell even to the gaming crowd at $15. In my opinion, to casual gamers, gamepass is dead.

I wouldn't be surprised if at some stage there will be additional tiers in GamePass, specifically one that is free, for casuals to play games like Sea Of Thieves and where publishers are making most of their revenues from microtransactions.

I don't ever see that happening. In order for a free-to-play game to be successful it has to have a large amount of players which naturally has a lot of freeloaders. It works for Fortnite and Candy Crush where the game is being played locally. I can't imagine the amount of servers needed for a free-to-play streaming game to work just to accommodate those that won't even spend a dime. They could try. MS has shown with gamepass that it's not afraid of being bold and taking risk.
 
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Rolla

Banned
yes I’ve seen that too. I think that 2022–23 will be crucial. Now they have Bethesda and the chance to differentiate (like games come out 30 days early on gamepass) to build up some hype.

I agree. But the argument about when GP becomes viable is always missing one market caveat... The competition. The competition who will be busy making a pitch to GP's future audience with games available right now.
 

Redlancet

Banned
Why the constant attack on MS and everything Xbox related? If you don't like it don't buy it or subscribe to it. They have been in the game for 20 years now so they must be doing something right. Just because you don't like something that doesn't mean that something is wrong with it.
Just leave Britney alone
 
OP you’ve really upset some folks here. They even changed the thread title because they were too upset

They changed the thread title of a fucking DF analysis thread because it was mass reported for the accurate claim of "Xbox advantage at 4k."

The title reporting is a two way street.

Why the constant attack on MS and everything Xbox related?

Good Question GIF by Recording Academy / GRAMMYs
 
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I agree. But the argument about when GP becomes viable is always missing one market caveat... The competition. The competition who will be busy making a pitch to GP's future audience with games available right now.

Among the gaming crowd - Each and every game that is not included in gamepass is a gamepass competition.

Among the casual crowd - Each and every F2P game, phone game, movie and show is a competition.



Here's a service that could reach the casuals though. - Introducing Netflix gaming. At no extra cost.

We're seeing Netflix dip into anime nowadays because of its popularity. When game streaming becomes more accessible, will Netflix not dip its toes on game streaming as well? Diversifying into different types of entertainment?

A selection of old games that already run its course among the gamer crowd, but games that were fun and with nice story to boot (sort of like Sony games.)

Netflix buying rights to stream an old game shouldn't be much pricier than buying the rights for an old movie that already ran its course in the cinema.
 

phil_t98

#SonyToo
PSNow is not a disaster because it charges full price and is profitable. Further, Sony is making money on PSNow while charging full price for 1st party games.

PSNow is a side buisness for Sony. But Gamepass is the only thing Xbox has that they are dependent on for survival. That is the difference. And if you don't understand then nothing I say can change your mind.

where is hard data that sony is making money on Snow and Microsoft not earning money on Gamepass? one has 2.2 million subscribers but making money where as one has 18million subscribers but not making money? hmmmmmm
 

Redlancet

Banned
Of course I meant that it is a disaster as investment.
oh im pretty sure gamepass is losing way more money that psnow right now,but go on tell me more about disasters,and dont make me laugh son, i have seen MIRIADS of dumbassses and outlets calling gamepass the netflix of gaming,con cut the crap and spare me the mental gimnastics
 
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The_Mike

I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
PSNow is not a disaster because it charges full price and is profitable. Further, Sony is making money on PSNow while charging full price for 1st party games.

PSNow is a side buisness for Sony. But Gamepass is the only thing Xbox has that they are dependent on for survival. That is the difference. And if you don't understand then nothing I say can change your mind.
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Komatsu

Member
Oh, one of those threads again. Like clockwork, good Game Pass news lead to a thread with an overly concerned OP.

I am here just to see these people concern troll one of the three most successful corporations in the history of American capitalism. The irony of course is that PSNow itself is now hosted in Azure. Microsoft literally makes money off PSNow as well.
 
Says the Mando Bandwagoner.

Dark Crystal was 10x better than Mando. I couldn't even be bothered to finish the first season.

And I wanted desperately to like the show. I figured it would match Dark Crystal but fuck no it didn't even come close. Such a disappointment.

Everything about The Dark Crystal is better. Every. Single. Thing.

The Dark Crystal looks fucking cheeks bro. The character design alone is actually worse than EVERY character design in The Mandalorian, possibly even the entire Star Wars franchise.

Even these.......things look better than the Dark Crystal poodoo.

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Also I agree with this. It's funny seeing OPs get dunked on by everyone but mods/admins shouldn't be altering their posts or titles. In my opinion of course.
I agree.

If you don't agree with the thread creator then close it.

Don't put stuff like this:

OP reaches stupid conclusion.​


Everyone has right to his/her own opinion and if people are going to get called out like this then it should happen for most threads since the majority are basically people posting their own opinions. If thread title is factually incorrect then correct it but leave out the above bolded nonsense.
 

sn0man

Member
Also I agree with this. It's funny seeing OPs get dunked on by everyone but mods/admins shouldn't be altering their posts or titles. In my opinion of course.
Yeah... I think the OP was trying. I don’t know maybe they weren’t. All the conclusion was was

“It's been said so many times that gamepass will cater to the 2 billion casuals out there. That it will be the Netflix of gaming one day. But is it really though?”

if I had to guess I’d say Microsoft is 10x likely to get there than Sony but what do I know. I’m going with the strength of MS platform creation and Sony themselves using Azure to host PSNow. For the record I assume PSNow is not a growth area that Sony is proud of.

thread title change is weird to me personally but whatever. Here to talk games and the gaming hobby and industry like most I assume.
 
Yeah... I think the OP was trying. I don’t know maybe they weren’t. All the conclusion was was

“It's been said so many times that gamepass will cater to the 2 billion casuals out there. That it will be the Netflix of gaming one day. But is it really though?”

if I had to guess I’d say Microsoft is 10x likely to get there than Sony but what do I know. I’m going with the strength of MS platform creation and Sony themselves using Azure to host PSNow. For the record I assume PSNow is not a growth area that Sony is proud of.

thread title change is weird to me personally but whatever. Here to talk games and the gaming hobby and industry like most I assume.
Maybe Sony's monitoring GamePass situation. Have no idea if they have something planned to compete but at the current rate of MS acquiring subs with that service, they surely will be taking note of it.
If MS adds more studios to their stable and keeps adding more quality games to the service then I mean even I would consider Xbox. I don't care for not owning a game the same way I do not care for owning movies on Netflix.
The value proposition would be too hard to ignore but even GamePass in its current guise is worth considering.
 
thread title change is weird to me personally but whatever. Here to talk games and the gaming hobby and industry like most I assume.

It's weird. I don't know what prompted the mods to do that.

It's a valid question to ask the viability of gamepass to target the casual crowd. The Disney+ comparison was to give context on how a service targeted to the casuals should perform.

The more important question is at the end of my post. "If even among the hardcore faithful of console and PC crowd gamepass is a hard sell, how could anyone expect gamepass to sell to the casuals?
 

carlosrox

Banned
The character design alone is actually worse than EVERY character design in The Mandalorian, possibly even the entire Star Wars franchise.

The characters aren't supposed to look attractive really. Plus the original movie has been clear inspiration for stuff like Zelda since forever.

They wanted it to look creepy. The Skeksis are awesome designs, but sure I'll give you the Gelflings (not that it really matters). Has no bearing on how great the show is or the characters.

Jim Henson (or another one of the leads) said he thought it was good for kids to be scared sometimes. Just watch the intro to the movie, it's creepy looking as fuck.
 
Maybe Sony's monitoring GamePass situation. Have no idea if they have something planned to compete but at the current rate of MS acquiring subs with that service, they surely will be taking note of it.
If MS adds more studios to their stable and keeps adding more quality games to the service then I mean even I would consider Xbox. I don't care for not owning a game the same way I do not care for owning movies on Netflix.
The value proposition would be too hard to ignore but even GamePass in its current guise is worth considering.
I keep seeing this said but I'll chime in case you didn't know but everything on Gamepass can be bought for a discount. You aren't forced to 'rent' anything.
 

Shmunter

Member
How do you feel about mods changing titles that are exact to the information they posted, Like the Hitman 3 thread.

They literally used the DF video title as their headline, and it got redacted.
Neogaf > DF

We’re all going high brow here.
 

sn0man

Member
How do you feel about mods changing titles that are exact to the information they posted, Like the Hitman 3 thread.

They literally used the DF video title as their headline, and it got redacted.
I don’t know the before and after on that. Was there a factual error in the DF video title?

stupid feels like an opinion. If the DF title was factually in error a correction makes sense.
 
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