Potato Chip PRO
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Okay OP, you can finally get some sleep tonight... You finally taught MS a lesson here!
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There are more Disney subs than Gamepass subs. OP reaches stupid conclusion.
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carlosrox
Banned
Overrated as fuck lol.
Dark Crystal was way the fuck better in every conceivable way.
TransTrender
Gold Member
Is it at least 1000x better than the outgoing app? That would be a decent start in the right direction. Just a few baby steps, ya know?
Bryank75
Banned
No subscription model will work longterm....
Games just cost way too much to make, far more than films and tv shows and also take far longer. Then the potential audience is far smaller than film streaming.
As you said, they have to compete with COD Warzone, Fortnite, Genshin Impact, Apex Legends and all sorts of other free to play games.
A massive portion of gamers are Fifa, COD or Madden only gamers, they buy their game every year and don't want to know about anything else...they just don't care.
Then you have hardcore gamers.... most of which love buying their games, love physical and collectors editions and value ownership.
At the moment it is just conversion of Xbox customers to Gamepass customers.... they have in or around half of their userbase changed over, which is impressive.
But my feeling is that it will slow down at some point in the next few months rather quickly and the curve will flatten out and either hold or drop when promotions start going away. Assuming existing customers will no longer be able to avail of promotions.
Games just cost way too much to make, far more than films and tv shows and also take far longer. Then the potential audience is far smaller than film streaming.
As you said, they have to compete with COD Warzone, Fortnite, Genshin Impact, Apex Legends and all sorts of other free to play games.
A massive portion of gamers are Fifa, COD or Madden only gamers, they buy their game every year and don't want to know about anything else...they just don't care.
Then you have hardcore gamers.... most of which love buying their games, love physical and collectors editions and value ownership.
At the moment it is just conversion of Xbox customers to Gamepass customers.... they have in or around half of their userbase changed over, which is impressive.
But my feeling is that it will slow down at some point in the next few months rather quickly and the curve will flatten out and either hold or drop when promotions start going away. Assuming existing customers will no longer be able to avail of promotions.
Magic Carpet
Member
Op works for a hedge fund trying to bring down microsoft stock. Just like the months of constant anti Gamestop threads that would get posted every other day
LordBlodgett
Member
I think a lot of people are missing one of the main business reasons for Gamepass. Even if it only ever reaches people who are hardcore gamers, it gives you a solid reason to be in the Xbox ecosystem. That ecosystem stills sells a ton of games, DLC, and other microtransactions . Ecosystem lock in is the ultimate goal here. Get you used to using your Xbox, or the Gamepass app, or the Xbox/Windows store to download, play, and sometimes BUY.
I also think that Gamepass streaming will continue to grow, especially once the TV and PC apps become common. Even Gamepass streaming on Android/IOS could help Microsoft break into the Asian market, where 70% of gaming revenue goes to mobile game companies. I know they aren't yet doing this, but wait until their streaming is really rolling and you are able to BUY a game that is not on the subscription that you can play on PC or Xbox or Stream on your TV or on your phone/tablet......This is the eventual goal, and the eventual market could be massive.
What is actually interesting about the Gamepass vs Netflix/Disney+ comparison is that Netflix/Disney/HBO only get your subscription dollars, but Microsoft gets that + whatever other games, DLC, addons, etc.... you spend money on.
I also think that Gamepass streaming will continue to grow, especially once the TV and PC apps become common. Even Gamepass streaming on Android/IOS could help Microsoft break into the Asian market, where 70% of gaming revenue goes to mobile game companies. I know they aren't yet doing this, but wait until their streaming is really rolling and you are able to BUY a game that is not on the subscription that you can play on PC or Xbox or Stream on your TV or on your phone/tablet......This is the eventual goal, and the eventual market could be massive.
What is actually interesting about the Gamepass vs Netflix/Disney+ comparison is that Netflix/Disney/HBO only get your subscription dollars, but Microsoft gets that + whatever other games, DLC, addons, etc.... you spend money on.
TheMay30thMan
Member
Damn, OP. How long are your arms? I don’t think I’ve ever seen someone reach that far!
Oddvintagechap
Member
Theres youtube for that.
THE DUCK
voted poster of the decade by bots
This is the dumbest thread ever. Considering it has a much larger potential audience (not limited to certain devices) its half the price, and has a ton of content including what many consider to be the most popular franchises of all time, why does this thread even exist? Just another troll trying to discredit gamepass for no good reason?
CatLady
Selfishly plays on Xbox Purr-ies X
Wow, people are really reaching now to come up with novel ways to claim Game Pass is doomed, Game Pass sucks, why I hate Game Pass, but this is a new level of stupid.
Why are you comparing Game Pass to Disney+ instead of PSNow, you know compare similar services??? Oh wait I know why, Game Pass has almost 10 times the number of members even though it hasn't been around as long and that would make the PlayStation service look bad/doomed/struggling instead of the Xbox service you're trying so hard to concern troll.
RoyalLaFlame
Banned
18 million subs for Gamepass? Does the world even have this many people?
Spencer caught lying AGAIN
Spencer caught lying AGAIN
CatLady
Selfishly plays on Xbox Purr-ies X
You win NOTHING, buddy! You said 48 hours, but it's only been a little over 24 hours. Maybe we can get a fresh, new Game Pass sux thread every day.
SkylineRKR
Member
PS5 is struggling compared to Netflix.
godhandiscen
There are millions of whiny 5-year olds on Earth, and I AM THEIR KING.
I signed up for free with Disney. It came with my phone service
S0ULZB0URNE
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Boss Mog
Member
18M seems pretty good for XBOX. I mean if you compare console user bases XBOX is dwarfed by the combined numbers of PlayStation and Switch. And then on PC there's still a lot of piracy and those that don't pirate are mostly happy sticking with Steam and just getting the games they want on sale.
N1tr0sOx1d3
Given another chance
Last night I ate some cheese.
That’s about as interesting as a comparison as Disney+ vs Gamepass subscription numbers....
That’s about as interesting as a comparison as Disney+ vs Gamepass subscription numbers....
Shifty1897
Member
Imagine typing that a service with 18 million subscriptions is struggling.
Please lock this thread.
Please lock this thread.
danielJackson
Banned
Because gamepass is waste of money to most
Lets say there is service that costs 10€ month, and you get 100kg of bread/month.
Cheap? Yes.
Practical or usefull? No, when 99kg goes to trash unused
Only gigantor the bread eater whom eats it all says it is incredible deal.
Lets say there is service that costs 10€ month, and you get 100kg of bread/month.
Cheap? Yes.
Practical or usefull? No, when 99kg goes to trash unused
Only gigantor the bread eater whom eats it all says it is incredible deal.
carlosrox
Banned
Says the Mando Bandwagoner.
Dark Crystal was 10x better than Mando. I couldn't even be bothered to finish the first season.
And I wanted desperately to like the show. I figured it would match Dark Crystal but fuck no it didn't even come close. Such a disappointment.
Everything about The Dark Crystal is better. Every. Single. Thing.
phil_t98
#SonyToo
how about compare Gamepass to PSnow or does that not fit the agenda?
or how about the title Disney+ has 80 million subscribers PSnow only has 2.2million lol
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Chukhopops
Member
I was about to say the same, it was nice catching up on the MCU shit but I don’t see myself keeping it when there’s literally two running shows I watch (Mandalorian and Wandavision which isn’t even that good). Even Soul was actually disappointing.
GP on the other hand is consistent value and every month I finish at least one GP game (indie or not) so it feels worth the can of Pringles I had to buy to get 3 years of GPU.
I like Disney plus , have it from the beginning .
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
wow
jufonuk
not tag worthy
One is passive entertainment of varying lengths you can dip in and out that require no effort to View and the other contains games that can take up a lot of your time, demand a varying length of time and if you don’t have the time to dedicate you cannot complete them.
a tv show you dedicate the run time to You progress and complete it
Dedicate the same amount of time to the game. You might not have even make significant progress.
It doesn’t make sense as games as an on demand service. You could end up paying the same fee for the one game. The more games you play on the service the more you have to complete in the end it becomes too much. You’re better off just buying one or two games and devoting time to them.
a tv show you dedicate the run time to You progress and complete it
Dedicate the same amount of time to the game. You might not have even make significant progress.
It doesn’t make sense as games as an on demand service. You could end up paying the same fee for the one game. The more games you play on the service the more you have to complete in the end it becomes too much. You’re better off just buying one or two games and devoting time to them.
Team Andromeda
Member
PS Generation fans. The gift that keeps on giving LOL
Little Chicken
Member
Let's compare PSNow to Spotify.
carlosrox
Banned
Everything he says is correct. The show is boring and feels like filler. The titular character himself is completely uninteresting.
The show isn't awful, but it's simply terribly overrated.
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Justin9mm
Member
Not even comparable.
The percentage of people who watch TV shows and or Movies.. Families with kids etc. Is like majority of the world lol
Plus Gamepass is full of filler and when you do get some really good games they are on short rotation. And where is this $1 subscription coming from? We had that once in Australia like two years ago otherwise its $15.95 per month.. I don't know how its always $1.. Its not $1 most places around the world.
The percentage of people who watch TV shows and or Movies.. Families with kids etc. Is like majority of the world lol
Plus Gamepass is full of filler and when you do get some really good games they are on short rotation. And where is this $1 subscription coming from? We had that once in Australia like two years ago otherwise its $15.95 per month.. I don't know how its always $1.. Its not $1 most places around the world.
Negotiator101
Member
That's simple: TV audience >>>>>>>> gaming audience
This is really a fanboy made thread, should just be closed.
Why does every slightly positive news from MS has to create negative threads for them? Just accept the number, accept that it is because of their $1 start entry and it is good.
Are those numbers doctored? For sure, at least as far as they can go, as no company wants to put themselfs into a bad light, especially if they want to start something "new". If you compare those numbers, compare them to some kind of the "same" service. E.g. PS Now, the nvidia streaming service (just don't remember the name), google stadia, ...
But taking something that is just not comparable is not leading anywhere.
Seeing this thread reminds me of that fun-statistic
Less pirates -> higher temperatures.
Edit: of I forgot the source of the picture True Fact: The Lack of Pirates Is Causing Global Warming (forbes.com)
This is really a fanboy made thread, should just be closed.
Why does every slightly positive news from MS has to create negative threads for them? Just accept the number, accept that it is because of their $1 start entry and it is good.
Are those numbers doctored? For sure, at least as far as they can go, as no company wants to put themselfs into a bad light, especially if they want to start something "new". If you compare those numbers, compare them to some kind of the "same" service. E.g. PS Now, the nvidia streaming service (just don't remember the name), google stadia, ...
But taking something that is just not comparable is not leading anywhere.
Seeing this thread reminds me of that fun-statistic
Less pirates -> higher temperatures.
Edit: of I forgot the source of the picture True Fact: The Lack of Pirates Is Causing Global Warming (forbes.com)
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pasterpl
Member
do you know what TAM is? Gamepass tam is that 2 bn + people
New Yorks Finest
Banned
Another never ending triggerd douche concern over latest non-stop latest MS news, but carry on, you gots a job to do..is your duty as a warriors to clock in dat over time or else MS Positive articles/threads will take over the front page.
..goddamn, think about it..Another...GP..salty..fake ass concern...thread
..goddamn, think about it..Another...GP..salty..fake ass concern...thread
megreotsugua
Banned
shhhhhh..
SJRB
Gold Member
Such a bizarre thing to get upset over.
Negotiator101
Member
Here we go.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
I know this will likely get brushed aside as a "Sony Pony post", but this can lead to a meaningful discussion.
#1: I don't think MS is going after the AAA industry anymore. Yes, they will produce some AAA games every now and then (especially after that Bethesda acquisition), but take that last-minute Bethesda acquisition out (calling it last-minute, because I don't believe it was in their initial plans, as Matt also said in Nov. 2019 that their focus is now no longer on studio acquisition after all the recent picks), the main focus for MS would be to fill GP with content = AA games. Most of their acquisitions (NinjaTheory, Double Fine, InXile, etc. also validate that theory).
Also, AAA game development costs are too much -- only to have those games day one on a subscription service. I don't see MS producing many $100-$200 million games going forward, like Sony is currently doing.
#2: That's the most interesting point. I can definitely relate to it. Here is how I see it:
I prefer and play high-quality AAA games more often than not. And I know that no AAA third-party games go on GP day one (except for MS's first-party exclusives that are still years away). Like I still have to buy Assassin's Creed, Cyberpunk, Red Dead Redemption 2, etc, despite having GamePass.
This means that I'd be paying $180 per year as a baseline and then $60 or $70 per AAA game when it launches. Yes, GamePass has plenty of awesome games, but does it have the game I want to play right now?
It isn't necessarily a GamePass problem, but it's a problem with most subscription services.
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Stilton Disco
Member
OP's comparison is probably not as insane as it first appears (but it really does appear insane until you really think about it).
Sure, traditional AAA console gaming is super niche compared to TV and movies, but that's the entire point of gamepass and, important to bare in mind, Xcloud.
Those two combined are meant, and likely by Microsoft upper management, expected to bring gaming to the same mainstream audience that non interactive streaming subscriptions like Disney Plus do.
And in that context, I would strongly suspect those same upper management types are indeed asking why Gamepass has only sold 18m when Disney Plus has sold 80m.
Of course the real reason it hasn't, and never will get, the mega subscriber numbers that successful streaming services get, is because while the mainstream audience does play games, the games they play are mobile ones. Free time wasters with zero depth or value.
And as good of a value as Gamepass is, it's not free, so it's never going to get that big audience other streaming services need to offset the costs.
Which does lead to the question, are Microsoft going to be happy if gamepass and Xcloud only ever get an audience of a few dozen million people, like Xbox does? Is that financially viable long term? Or was the entire project sold to the higher ups that hold the purse strings, on the idea that this would bring AAA console gaming to the masses, bypassing the need for expensive hardware entirely, and truly being 'the Netflix of gaming'?
I suspect it's the latter, because the numbers involved in the cost and comparative revenue generated by gamepass compared to traditional gaming, given the potential audience of 100% of Xbox owners (being as generous as possible), has never added up.
Add in the hundreds of millions of of normies that are counted as gamers because they play candy crush, that both journalists and executives outside gaming have no idea are a completely different animal to traditional gamers, and suddenly those numbers balance. Except, well, they won't, will they?
Hence why most everyone so far in this thread has looked at this comparison and laughed, because we know it's stupid.
But everyone who thinks Gamepass is a good thing better hope Microsoft (note Microsoft, not the Xbox division) would have laughed too.
Sure, traditional AAA console gaming is super niche compared to TV and movies, but that's the entire point of gamepass and, important to bare in mind, Xcloud.
Those two combined are meant, and likely by Microsoft upper management, expected to bring gaming to the same mainstream audience that non interactive streaming subscriptions like Disney Plus do.
And in that context, I would strongly suspect those same upper management types are indeed asking why Gamepass has only sold 18m when Disney Plus has sold 80m.
Of course the real reason it hasn't, and never will get, the mega subscriber numbers that successful streaming services get, is because while the mainstream audience does play games, the games they play are mobile ones. Free time wasters with zero depth or value.
And as good of a value as Gamepass is, it's not free, so it's never going to get that big audience other streaming services need to offset the costs.
Which does lead to the question, are Microsoft going to be happy if gamepass and Xcloud only ever get an audience of a few dozen million people, like Xbox does? Is that financially viable long term? Or was the entire project sold to the higher ups that hold the purse strings, on the idea that this would bring AAA console gaming to the masses, bypassing the need for expensive hardware entirely, and truly being 'the Netflix of gaming'?
I suspect it's the latter, because the numbers involved in the cost and comparative revenue generated by gamepass compared to traditional gaming, given the potential audience of 100% of Xbox owners (being as generous as possible), has never added up.
Add in the hundreds of millions of of normies that are counted as gamers because they play candy crush, that both journalists and executives outside gaming have no idea are a completely different animal to traditional gamers, and suddenly those numbers balance. Except, well, they won't, will they?
Hence why most everyone so far in this thread has looked at this comparison and laughed, because we know it's stupid.
But everyone who thinks Gamepass is a good thing better hope Microsoft (note Microsoft, not the Xbox division) would have laughed too.
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