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Nvidia bans HardwareUnboxed from receiving review samples
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MeatSafeMurderer
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Pro-AMD...even though HU's reviews of the 30xx cards are pretty glowing? It's not like they don't cover RT at all, they just don't focus on it. To be clear I'd describe myself as a bit of an NVIDIA fanboy...and I don't give a shit about RT performance. I want to know how NVIDIA's product stack fares in rasterization so I can make an informed purchase. At this stage RT still doesn't have all that much support and I still see is as just being a nice bonus, rather than a main selling point.
I guess this didn't age well..
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GamersNexus and LinusTechTips refute rumors that Nvidia is pressuring channels into product placement
Technology Vision
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TyphoonStruggle
Member
Two of the biggest games today, WoW Shadowlands and Cyberpunk 277 have ray-tracing graphics.Don't confuse me withAscend
They didn't concentrate on RT and DLSS because 99% of GAMES, not Gamers don't use it.
You cherry pick your data points. This is me cherry picking mine.
Yet, your solution is to ignore functionality. And mine is to benchmark it and let people decide for themselves. Which is the most reasonable stance here?
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Irobot82
Member
Two of the biggest games today, WoW Shadowlands and Cyberpunk 277 have ray-tracing graphics.
You cherry pick your data points. This is me cherry picking mine.
Yet, your solution is to ignore functionality. And mine is to benchmark it and let people decide for themselves. Which is the most reasonable stance here?
They didn't ignore functionality. They included RT and DLSS games in their review. They stated Nvidia is leagues ahead and AMD has no answer. They stated again and again IF YOU VALUE RT GO WITH NVIDIA.
It's like you didn't watch any videos.
Let me break it down for you. Since you couldn't be bothered.
HU's stance.
If you value RT/DLSS - 3080.
If you do not 3080 or 6800xt (fear in future 3080 may be RAM limited)
Next section below.
If you value RT/DLSS - 3070
If not 6800 if you can afford the $50.
So you see how they recommend Nvidia.....it's crazy right?
Fanboys are the fucking worst.
Edit: Also
at caring about RT in WoW, or Fortnite. Minecraft looks cool though.
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Buggy Loop
Member
Exactly. Tech jesus does not care that much about RT, but still presents a wider range, with entry level shadows, then Control with a lot of RT features and Minecraft which is full path tracing. And i'm perfectly fine with his opinion, but at least he presents the information to me.
He's also not trying to feed a narrative that Nvidia's new generation RT or tensor cores did not add performance compared to Turing unlike HU, in not just 1, but 2 videos (that i found, might be more)
MeatSafeMurderer
Member
The most reasonable stance is to focus on rasterization, whilst also doing some RTX benchmarking for those who are into that, that way both the pro-skub and anti-skub lobbies are covered and everyone can make an informed purchase...except...wait...that's what Hardware Unboxed did and that's apparently biased towards AMD and NVIDIA didn't like it.
TyphoonStruggle
Member
They didn't ignore functionality. They included RT and DLSS games in their review. They stated Nvidia is leagues ahead and AMD has no answer. They stated again and again IF YOU VALUE RT GO WITH NVIDIA.
It's like you didn't watch any videos.
Let me break it down for you. Since you couldn't be bothered.
HU's stance.
If you value RT/DLSS - 3080.
If you do not 3080 or 6800xt (fear in future 3080 may be RAM limited)
Next section below.
If you value RT/DLSS - 3070
If not 6800 if you can afford the $50.
So you see how they recommend Nvidia.....it's crazy right?
Fanboys are the fucking worst.
Edit: Also
In the 6800 XT review Hardware Unboxed Steve says: “though I personally I care very little for ray-tracing support right now as there are almost no games where I feel it’s worth enabling. That being the case I haven’t invested too much time in testing ray-tracing performance and perhaps this is something we’ll explore more in future content.”
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cebri.one
Member
Lol it's not worth enabling because performance sucks on AMD.
Nevertheless, NVIDIA is a private company they can do what the fuck ever they want.
londontko
Member
I don't like the 99% of games argument because it totally misses the point. This tech is the future and it's implementation matters to a lot of people, HU isn't the arbiter of what's relevant.
Mister Wolf
Gold Member
Some people gotta learn the hard way.
MikonJuice
Member
This is actually better for the channel, is it not?
Now people won't complain aboutbeing biased, at least in favor of Nvidia, as they now will pay for what they test.
Now people won't complain aboutbeing biased, at least in favor of Nvidia, as they now will pay for what they test.
Bolivar687
Banned
I'm trying to figure out what this was in response to. I'm looking at their videos and they're testing ray tracing everywhere. Is it just because today's Cyberpunk benchmark didn't include it? They say in the video that it's going to be reviewed separately.
I don't think HU are biased against Nvidia though Nvidia can give cards or not to whoever they want obviously. The reason for their decision seems fucked up if we're operating under the assumption that reviews are objective and unbiased - everyone still getting FE cards will feel the pressure to showoff those games that have ray tracing and dlss.
Ascend
Member
That article is over a year old.I guess this didn't age well..
GamersNexus and LinusTechTips refute rumors that Nvidia is pressuring channels into product placement
Technology Vision
Ascend
Member
People are already complaining that they are AMD biased while they aren't.... That is only going to get worse if AMD freely supplies cards to them and nVidia doesn't.
Anyone that says HU is biased towards AMD is an nVidia fanboy, whether they know it or not.
Mister Wolf
Gold Member
If Nvidia doesn't supply them they will become irrelevant.
PhoenixTank
Member
Day one coverage for FE cards without any AIB cards will sting a bit, but they can afford to buy the cards they need, tbh.
Looks like more details early next week.
Ascend
Member
No they won't. I bet AIBs will still supply them with nVidia cards. And even then, some people are willing to wait on their reviews even if they come later.
But if it was true that they would become irrelevant with this, it is yet another red flag that nVidia has way too much power over the space.
MeatSafeMurderer
Member
Did you bother to watch a single 30xx review or were you too busy quote mining? Just because he hasn't invested a ton of time into testing it doesn't mean he never has, nor that it didn't appear in the reviews...like...oh...say...this one? Oh, and look! He even tested it on the RX 6800! Now...what were you saying again?
Ascend
Member
And note that the patch that actually enables RT on AMD GPUs for Watch Dogs Legion came out just yesterday, meaning these results are likely bogus for AMD in one way or another.Did you bother to watch a single 30xx review or were you too busy quote mining? Just because he hasn't invested a ton of time into testing it doesn't mean he never has, nor that it didn't appear in the reviews...like...oh...say...this one? Oh, and look! He even tested it on the RX 6800! Now...what were you saying again?
midasmulligan
Member
Influencers are mouth pieces for the companies. Get in line or get cut off, simple
Kenpachii
Member
Did you bother to watch a single 30xx review or were you too busy quote mining? Just because he hasn't invested a ton of time into testing it doesn't mean he never has, nor that it didn't appear in the reviews...like...oh...say...this one? Oh, and look! He even tested it on the RX 6800! Now...what were you saying again?
Nobody cares about a after though chart on his review.
The meat of the review are the 18 games themselves, the 18 on average and the cost.
What are the results?
6 out of the 18 games he tests support dlss which every 2000-3000 user will use which sometimes jumps up with 25-40% performance gains that he skips. Which makes all his charts completely useless and irrelevant as result.
The dude has no clue what he's doing and his charts are completely misleading as result.
More like he will become irrelevant. nvidia will just supply the card to another reviewer that takes his place.
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MeatSafeMurderer
Member
Speak for yourself. If I'm going to render games at a different resolution to my screen it's going to be higher than native, not lower. I have zero interest in DLSS. He also states why clearly; apples to apples. When benchmarking hardware you change only that hardware. You don't use DLSS for the same reason that you don't run one card at 4K and one at 1080p, or have one system use a Celeron and the other Threadripper.
Kenpachii
Member
Go watch this video and tell me if you think dlss is still useless.
from 5:38 > 8 minutes.
Sorry but everybody agreed universally that DLSS was utterly useless in its 1.0 stage its also the reason i bought a 1080ti with more v-ram over a 2070 super. now with dlss 2.0 and probably soon 3.0 as those farms keep moving forwards it no longer cannot be ignored as a lot of games will relay on it for stable higher end setting performance in newer titles.
Look he can do normal rasterization benchmarks perfectly fine, but he has to account the features nvidia offers and bench those also to give a good idea on what a AMD gpu actually buys you. And frankly him just skipping over this and basically put the 6800 in a spot its nowhere near should belong is straight up making him the laughing stock of the internet at this point.
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KungFucius
King Snowflake
No. They are just refusing to give a review outlet a review sample of their hardware because that outlet did not test one of it's biggest features. Why should Nvidia pay for them to review part of their product? It's not censorship, it is deciding not to waste resources on an outlet that is ignoring the feature you are trying to sell.
MeatSafeMurderer
Member
Like I said, if I'm going to run a game at a different resolution to native it's going to be higher. 1440p DLSS might perform better, but up against 2880p -> 1440p supersampling it's going to get utterly destroyed in the IQ department. For starters running 4X supersampling completely negates the vaseline of TAA and utterly obliterates shimmer (which I can still see quite clearly in the DLSS footage). Not to mention you're not going to get the artifacts of something like DLSS, which do still exist, even if they are better than they used to be. Now sure...you might think that's a tad overkill...but when it comes to getting the cleanest possible visuals out of a game there's nothing quite like it...and I'd happily trade RT and turn down other settings for it any day too. This idea that everyone is going to be using DLSS is just false. I cannot stand upscaling artifacts. I can't even stand running games at native any more. I supersample everything.
DonJuanSchlong
Banned
If AMD raytracing was as good as Nvidia, I wonder if the same fanboys would defend this? Let's say AMD did have better raytracing, (aka roles reversed), and HU downplayed it, would they act as if HU did unjust with the reviews? Would it be "messed up" if AMD didn't send him early free gifts because they didn't show AMD superior raytracing, after they pioneered the technology and made it mainstream to consumers? It's interesting to play devil's advocate and reverse the roles, just to see if the same song would be sung.
DonJuanSchlong
Banned
Or create an only fans for the simps.
ethomaz
Banned
I guess this didn't age well..
GamersNexus and LinusTechTips refute rumors that Nvidia is pressuring channels into product placement
Technology Vision
Edit - lol a year old article.
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Kenpachii
Member
You mean where he becomes hitler with a little mustache and rides a zeppelin?
Chiggs
Gold Member
Right. I mean, I get where he's coming from, but he's acting like this is some assault on the free press (he said as much), and I don't see it that way. Is Nvidia being slimy? Sure. But they always have been, and they don't have to send people their product for reviews, period.
Kenpachii
Member
Its lip service to get in good grace with the fanboys that sit on these channels for drama. At the end of the day linus will take that free gpu any day from nvidia and eats its pride every day of the week when the new gpu comes out.
Instead of raging like a retard, he should actually be critical about hardware unboxed and actually make them improve. But hardware unboxed at this point already probably burned any bridge with nvidia they had left so they are fucked anyway.
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TyphoonStruggle
Member
Yep it’s all performative.
pretend to hate the evil mega-corporation for the mouth breathers
then turn around and receive free product and press passes for reviews that lend legitimacy to their authority and platform as “YouTube content creators”
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K.S v2.0
Banned
That's my point. If I, as a manufacturer/developer/whatever am specifically pushing a feature, and if I lay out expectations for reviewers and they DON'T deliver... why should I give them hardware, or anything?
Playing devil's advocate here obviously but Its funny to see ppl screaming at nvidia for being anti-competitive or whatever but its a really a fucking BASIC PREMISE.
If you want the freedom to review AS YOU PLEASE and to focus on whatever you personally choose, that is your choice... but it is my choice as a hardware manufacturer to NOT give you FREE HARDWARE because there is no benefit to ME. You are perfectly free to obtain said hardware yourself, and review it completely free of any/all restrictions. If I try to silence you under those grounds then ok, I'd be totally in the wrong.
But goddamn, crying like a little bitch because I don't give you free shit FOR NOTHING IN RETURN is nothing short of being an entitled little REEEEEEEEEEra mentally ill faggotma'am that expects the world to hand them supreme rulership for free.
Its called GIVE AND TAKE also known as a professional business relationship... If you do not give, do not expect to take! How fucking hard is that to understand? FFS I swear the entitlement...
DonJuanSchlong
Banned
You can tell the ones who got a 6xxx card instead of a 30xx card in this thread. The same ones who first pump rasterization in 1080p without RT. And support benchmarks without RT. It's pretty obvious at this point. I just wonder how this would be taken by these same folks, if roles were reversed.
TyphoonStruggle
Member
It’s almost like there’s hundreds maybe thousands of people working at Nvidia and sometimes they work toward a common goal that are sometimes pursued in different ways.
This Twitter gotcha is unprofessional and childish. Hardware Unboxed continues to trash their own reputation.
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Bolivar687
Banned
An interesting part Linus read from the email they sent:
"It's clear from your community commentary that you do not see things the same way that we, gamers, and the rest of the industry do."
"It's clear from your community commentary that you do not see things the same way that we, gamers, and the rest of the industry do."
Kenpachii
Member
Honestly the guy is straight up just self destructing atm.
An interesting part Linus read from the email they sent:
"It's clear from your community commentary that you do not see things the same way that we, gamers, and the rest of the industry do."
Another example of he just doesn't get it.
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Bolivar687
Banned
londontko
Member
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Just another piece of evidence that Nvidia is full of shit.
Kenpachii
Member
All they are doing is making noise in the hope for nvidia to bend to knee towards them. it's all they got left because they know nvidia will push forwards further and further. but it could also massively backfire for all of them by all being blacklisted. I hope it works out for them.
Now that's out of the way lets look at jay moral compass here:
- So if he knows that nvidia is so evil why does he still accept there free hardware or even covers them and advertises for them?
- And when he got so much stories to tell about them then why not share it with us because fuck nvidia right?
Oh wait he doesn't do that why not? because it will actually also be the end of him as every single aib partner he talks about will straight up kick him out also.
See how that works.
These guys pretending that nvidia was this good guy like linus did in his rage retard mode video is laughable at best. Nvidia is already for years shitting on its consumers and aib partners and evidence all around us for that they even made content about it most likely. So let's drop the act shall we.
At the end of the day nvidia doesn't need them as much as they need nvidia.
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