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[MrFunSocks]

Team Blue:

Almost the same framerate: "LOL this shows how 2TF extra is meaningless and Sony are the best!! Punching above it's weight!"

Almost the same load times: "Oh that's because this game doesn't take advantage of the extra fast SSD!"

lol so which is it? If the PS5 SSD isn't being used to its full potential then neither is the Xbox GPU/RAM. If the Xbox GPU/RAM is, then so is the SSD, and all that talk about 2x faster or more loading times on the PS5 is wrong.

 

[azertydu91]

Literally every single video out there disagrees with you.


No it's not lol. He even says he suspects both consoles have 1440p or even 1080p as the minimum.

So we have a confirmed lower lowest resolution on Xbox and suspicion of parity but no evidence yet, and somehow in your twisted mind that's a win rez for Xbox?
Please tell me how you reached that conclusion? What part made you think "That's a win in rez for Xbox"?

 

[Fake]

The 9TF joke aged line a good wine.

 

[alabtrosMyster]

So yes, Xbox performs slightly better. I didn't say it was massive, that was all you.

this is inaccurate, he was unable to catch the PS5's resolution dropping all the way to 1440p (but he said it could have happened, which is fair it's pretty hard to catch drops if they don't last long), while the xbox's resolution got all the way down there.

Listen, nobody would have cared that much if:

1. MS PR did not emphasize the power "difference"
2. Fanboys did not spend the last few months alluding to 44% power difference, RDNA 0.3, etc.

Equal performance (or very close to) is a win for Sony, all these people buying the X for "power" and the promise of a decent lineup of first party titles got their first taste of why you should not trust MS.... Hopefully they deliver on the other front, but as I stated many times before, if I am ever to get an xbox again it will be after they delivered a couple of amazing games (not just 1 or 2, it could be a hiccup, or remnants from before they took over the studios).

The performance hype was completely on the other side, so many actual discussions about the actual potential differences were derailed by people on their high horses who had a "deep" understanding of the relationship between ROPS, clock speeds, memory bandwidth, caches, CUs and performance.

There's dynamic grass like geralt's beard?
Or are different places?
Don't mind the resolution...

He's just coming from a slightly different angle, it should not change the average much (that frame is dropped from time to time on the PS5 in other places).

 

[MrFunSocks]

So we have a confirmed lower lowest resolution on Xbox and suspicion of parity but no evidence yet, and somehow in your twisted mind that's a win rez for Xbox?
Please tell me how you reached that conclusion? What part made you think "That's a win in rez for Xbox"?

I didn't see anything confirmed, that's why I asked for an actual technical analysis. Did you see any evidence of 1440p? How long does it stay at 1440p? What percentage of the time is it there? What are the different possible resolutions it can run at?

this is inaccurate, he was unable to catch the PS5's resolution dropping all the way to 1440p (but he said it could have happened, which is fair it's pretty hard to catch drops if they don't last long), while the xbox's resolution got all the way down there.

Listen, nobody would have cared that much if:

1. MS PR did not emphasize the power "difference"
2. Fanboys did not spend the last few months alluding to 44% power difference, RDNA 0.3, etc.

Equal performance (or very close to) is a win for Sony, all these people buying the X for "power" and the promise of a decent lineup of first party titles got their first taste of why you should not trust MS.... Hopefully they deliver on the other front, but as I stated many times before, if I am ever to get an xbox again it will be after they delivered a couple of amazing games (not just 1 or 2, it could be a hiccup, or remnants from before they took over the studios).

The performance hype was completely on the other side, so many actual discussions about the actual potential differences were derailed by people on their high horses who had a "deep" understanding of the relationship between ROPS, clock speeds, memory bandwidth, caches, CUs and performance.

He's just coming from a slightly different angle, it should not change the average much (that frame is dropped from time to time on the PS5 in other places).

So equal loading times is a win for MS too, right?

 

[Larogue]

PS5 loads 0.7 second faster when you die in game.

 

[Krappadizzle]

That doesn’t make much sense but I will believe you... I have no PC to test that.
Maybe one day I remember it and do a test... it seems interesting.

No he's right. You absolutely would see screen tearing if there was no vsync even if the game was 60+ fps. You can see screen tearing on games that have 100fps if you don't have the right monitor.

This isn't a new discovery. It's been like that forever.

 

[ethomaz]

I just realized the Dual Sense support and Actiview cards makes the PS5 version the best to play on consoles.

 

[kyliethicc]

If the PS5 SSD isn't being used to its full potential then neither is the Xbox GPU/RAM.

why?

 

[azertydu91]

Team Blue:

Almost the same framerate: "LOL this shows how 2TF extra is meaningless and Sony are the best!! Punching above it's weight!"

Almost the same load times: "Oh that's because this game doesn't take advantage of the extra fast SSD!"

lol so which is it? If the PS5 SSD isn't being used to its full potential then neither is the Xbox GPU/RAM. If the Xbox GPU/RAM is, then so is the SSD, and all that talk about 2x faster or more loading times on the PS5 is wrong.

 

[Fake]

Github save us.

 

[JonkyDonk]

Texture detail difference?

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

Those saying this isn’t the right game to compare the two consoles: what will be? This seemed like a great metric to me. AAA open world.

If not this then will it have to be something developed on only next gen systems?

 

[MrFunSocks]

why?

Seriously?

So the only reason the load times aren't faster is because they aren't using the magic Cerny SSD, but the same doesn't apply to the extra 2TF of power?

Those saving this isn’t the right game to compare the two consoles: what will be? This seemed like a great metric to me. AAA open world.

Launch cross gen game.

 

[BaneIsPain]

At least, it will kill off the statement third party always run better on series X.

 

[Vick]

Driveclub isn't getting patched, you can forget about it. Did it even receive a Pro patch?

Man i fucking wish.. i was talking about Days Gone.
I'll never forgive Sony for killing Evolution.

 

[Knitted Knight]

I just realized the the Dual Sense support and Actiview cards makes the PS5 version the best to play on consoles.

Quick Resume comes close... but the controller aspect does push it over the edge by a fair margin.

 

[alabtrosMyster]

So we have a confirmed lower lowest resolution on Xbox and suspicion of parity but no evidence yet, and somehow in your twisted mind that's a win rez for Xbox?
Please tell me how you reached that conclusion? What part made you think "That's a win in rez for Xbox"?

Literally every single video out there disagrees with you.


No it's not lol. He even says he suspects both consoles have 1440p or even 1080p as the minimum.

He said he could not confirm the PS5 was dipping below 1620p while he caught the sx going as low as 1440p, but he covered his ass by mentioning it could have happened, the both even could go lower--he just did not catch it (which is fair).

Stop the xbox defense force, you can't even listen a 10 minute video, no wonder you eat uncle Phil's every word and you think GamePass is a good deal.

 

[MrFunSocks]

At least, it will kill off the statement third party always run better on series X.

But this, along with DMC5, runs better on the Series X......?

 

[kyliethicc]

Seriously?

So the only reason the load times aren't faster is because they aren't using the magic Cerny SSD, but the same doesn't apply to the extra 2TF of power?

One has no effect on the other, as the 2 are unrelated. You argued one proves the other.

Prove it. I see no logic in your argument.

 

[JonkyDonk]

 

[Stuart360]

At least, it will kill off the statement third party always run better on series X.

Well 'technically' it does, although by an amount that zero people would ever feel or notice lol.

 

[onQ123]

Texture detail difference?

20 pages incoming

 

[Concern]

This shit is embarrassing considering the game runs almost similar on both lol. Warriors need to war for whatever they can.

NX clearly dropped war bait in there with the res comment only to say right after they run identical lol.

 

[Agnostic2020]

Seriously?

So the only reason the load times aren't faster is because they aren't using the magic Cerny SSD, but the same doesn't apply to the extra 2TF of power?



Launch cross gen game.

Gaming is not fun for u I think. U have been on this site literally for past 48 hours damage controlling instead of enjoying ur new amazing xsx . Its not worth it imo. If I had ps5 I wouldn't be here more than 5 minutes.

Its like u r dying when ps5 and xsx are about same . All ur false beliefs about huge gap are getting destroyed inffont of u and u can't believe it and u have to damage control.

Just let it go

 

[DForce]

There's something some XboxGAF members in this thread aren't getting.

We haven't seen this "significant gap in power" that Xbox fans have been bragging about over the past year. .

If there was actually massive gap in power, then we wouldn't see head-to-head comparisons this close.

Now people are falling back on, "so much for the x2 SSD speed PS fans were hyping" argument. The problem with taking this route is that we have SEEN Ratchet and Clank, Spider-Man, Demon Souls, Astrobot load within a few seconds compared to what you will find in third party games, but we haven't seen any signs of a massive gap in power.

2TF difference is not massive and that's what people have been saying for months.

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

So this is my introduction to MrFunSocks

Are you the anti- thelastword ?

That’s cool. I endorse balance. Rock on, brotha

 

[Dogman]

NXGamer said the 1440p drop are rare and suspect PS5 may have too.
But with dynamic res and image construction and the shortage of time, it is really really hard to capture unless you full time as DF.


Devkits problem btw, matches with the Cerny diagrams.
Thats what you get when MS is looking at the long haul with GDK transistion.

The GDK is not a "long haul" any more than the PS5's SDK is. The only point of the GDK for developers is easier parity between Xbox and PC. It sucking compared to PS5's toolkit doesn't mean MS is playing the "long game"

 

[MrFunSocks]

So this is my introduction to MrFunSocks

Are you the anti- thelastword ?

That’s cool. I endorse balance.

Nope, I don't stan for either console. I will argue facts on both sides. What exactly do you think I've said that isn't true in here?

 

[kyliethicc]

But this, along with DMC5, runs better on the Series X......?

 

[kyliethicc]

Nope, I don't stan for either console. I will argue facts on both sides. What exactly do you think I've said that isn't true in here?

literally everything you say is the gaf equivalent of gargling the Xbox's balls

 

[azertydu91]

I didn't see anything confirmed, that's why I asked for an actual technical analysis. Did you see any evidence of 1440p? How long does it stay at 1440p? What percentage of the time is it there? What are the different possible resolutions it can run at?

So what you are saying is that Nxgamer lied and that by default you already considered Xbox to win?You are the one sayng Xbox wins with no proof, please provide them.Because as of now all we have is an analyst saying that the Xbox dipped lower than ps5.
You see I can absolutely say that the loadng times are so close that it is equivalent, and with a better ssd ps5 should have done better and when it takes more time to load than on Xbox it is an L for Sony, why can't you do it for Xbox?

 

[onnextflix5]

Team Blue:

Almost the same framerate: "LOL this shows how 2TF extra is meaningless and Sony are the best!! Punching above it's weight!"

Almost the same load times: "Oh that's because this game doesn't take advantage of the extra fast SSD!"

lol so which is it? If the PS5 SSD isn't being used to its full potential then neither is the Xbox GPU/RAM. If the Xbox GPU/RAM is, then so is the SSD, and all that talk about 2x faster or more loading times on the PS5 is wrong.

U have no idea what ur talking about lol, its running a dynamic resolution so a 12tf console should hold a higher resolution, but something is bottlenecking it, we just don't know what yet.

 

[HAL-01]

Team Blue:

Almost the same framerate: "LOL this shows how 2TF extra is meaningless and Sony are the best!! Punching above it's weight!"

Almost the same load times: "Oh that's because this game doesn't take advantage of the extra fast SSD!"

lol so which is it? If the PS5 SSD isn't being used to its full potential then neither is the Xbox GPU/RAM. If the Xbox GPU/RAM is, then so is the SSD, and all that talk about 2x faster or more loading times on the PS5 is wrong.

You’re right, neither the PS5 or XSX’s hardware are being used to their full potential on this cross gen game. Both will only get better over time, this is the starting line.

 

[nowhat]

Man i fucking wish.. i was talking about Days Gone.

Oh right, apologies. I might get back to it when (at some point in the not-so-distant future, hopefully?) I can score a PS5 - but seeing as I stopped playing it not because of technical issues but just lack of interest, maybe the game isn't for me. It happens.

 

[BaneIsPain]

Well 'technically' it does, although by an amount that zero people would ever feel or notice lol.

yeah. It means you can’t go wrong to choose either consoles. A win win for all gamers.

 

[sendit]

Texture detail difference?

VRS kicking in?

 

[onQ123]

So this is my introduction to MrFunSocks

Are you the anti- thelastword ?

That’s cool. I endorse balance. Rock on, brotha

I actually thought he was your Alt account because he came when you left & now I'm sad to say he is a real person.

 

[Based Department]

LMAO guess muh power and muh SSD are both wrong, waiting for more games to draw a conclusion
I was betting Xbox would have a better performance and PS5 would have way faster loadings

 

[GHG]

So this is my introduction to MrFunSocks

Are you the anti- thelastword ?

That’s cool. I endorse balance. Rock on, brotha

Man you've missed some shit when you've been away.

Be thankful this is the first time you're witnessing it, this isn't even his final form.

 

[ethomaz]

There's something some XboxGAF members in this thread aren't getting.

We haven't seen this "significant gap in power" that Xbox fans have been bragging about over the past year. .

If there was actually massive gap in power, then we wouldn't see head-to-head comparisons this close.

Now people are falling back on, "so much for the x2 SSD speed PS fans were hyping" argument. The problem with taking this route is that we have SEEN Ratchet and Clank, Spider-Man, Demon Souls, Astrobot load within a few seconds compared to what you will find in third party games, but we haven't seen any signs of a massive gap in power.

2TF difference is not massive and that's what people have been saying for months.

Exactly if that power “gap” really exists MS needs to show it but right now is failing to it.

While that PS5 is surprising everybody with how close it power is to Xbox, the super SSDs speeds in first-party and probably the best graphics in any games in this new generation.

Sony delivery.
MS talks and makes promises.

 

[Stuart360]

lol nice try with the cherry picking. Look at the frame graph. We can all cherry pick screens to show something, and even then the PS5 screen is looking at the floor, and the XSX screen is in an open area mid battle.
The normal mode, RT Quality mode, and RT Performance mode all clearly run better on XSX.

 

[Concern]

Another reach considering the X runs better on 3 of the 4 modes .

You'd think people would be playing their consoles today. Nahhh neckbeards rather come on here to console war rather than enjoy their "favorite" consoles lol

 

[MrFunSocks]

U have no idea what ur talking about lol, its running a dynamic resolution so a 12tf console should hold a higher resolution, but something is bottlenecking it, we just don't know what yet.

What was the average resolution?

What percentage of the time did it spend at maximum resolution?

What are the resolution steps from minimum to maximum?

Do you get what I'm saying? This "technical analysis" is lacking in pretty much every technical aspect. We don't know anything about the dynamic resolution.

 

[Dogman]

Seriously?

So the only reason the load times aren't faster is because they aren't using the magic Cerny SSD, but the same doesn't apply to the extra 2TF of power?



Launch cross gen game.

But the PS5 does load significantly faster on boot from menu (up to 30s faster) as was shown by multiple sources today.

 

[Nikana]

I just wanna know how many people in this thread have zero intention on playing this game?

 

[Agnostic2020]

Nope, I don't stan for either console. I will argue facts on both sides. What exactly do you think I've said that isn't true in here?

Are u that deluded to believe what u said ?

Bro u r team green till last drop

 

[kyliethicc]

Another reach considering the X runs better on 3 of the 4 modes .

You'd think people would be playing their consoles today. Nahhh neckbeards rather come on here to console war rather than enjoy their "favorite" consoles lol

those 3 modes... thats one of them. The pic ....

 

[alabtrosMyster]

So equal loading times is a win for MS too, right?

sure... take what you will.

I'll repeat what I said before, there are times where a faster CPU/GPU will not make any difference, and depending what's going on while a given game is loading it could end up being the same... what has changed is not me, what changed is the way people who expected the sx to outperform the PS5 in any siginificant manner now clinging to a 5% - 10% difference in FPS under specific circumstances.

Go take a look at that xbox power meme thread (assuming you did not post in there).

But this, along with DMC5, runs better on the Series X......?

Did you even listen before claiming anything?
<0.1 fps difference in FPS (the sx has screen tearing, the PS5 has a frame dropping here and there--none is a big deal).
~15% difference in lowest resolution drop measured in PS5's favor.

Calling it "running better" on the Series X is a stretch... same for DMC5, you have to pick the right mode of play in order to be "right"... I'd say that at best they are a wash--closer than I was expecting, but I was expecting it to be insignificant, just not as close as it is now.

Go sit on uncle Phil's lap, he will tell you to wait one more year for the good stuff to happen.

 

[brap]

I just wanna know how many people in this thread have zero intention on playing this game?

Me!!!