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Physiognomonics
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Just for the SSD part it's around the same speed (because 8 channels vs 12 channels for PS5). But that's ignoring the API and hardware bottlenecks the PCs still have.
So in the end PS5 is still faster.
Everybody still making the mistake of only looking at the SSD speed number.
It’s faster on paper and needed to work with PS5 expansion bay. In real world use PS5 SSD will be faster and more efficient in actually using it’s rated speed for raw and compressed data
www.neogaf.com
Don’t listen to PC gamers all of sudden having a revelation about I/O when they’ve been downplaying the entire concept of SSD’s changing the way games are made ever since Sony started to talk about it. Seems they still don’t realize how it works.
It’s faster on paper and needed to work with PS5 expansion bay. In real world use PS5 SSD will be faster and more efficient in actually using it’s rated speed for raw and compressed data
The PS5-rivalling Samsung 980 Pro SSD is launching within two months
400 for the 1tb damn
Don’t listen to PC gamers all of sudden having a revelation about I/O when they’ve been downplaying the entire concept of SSD’s changing the way games are made ever since Sony started to talk about it. Seems they still don’t realize how it works.
GameSeeker
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It's the featured comment just below the section marked "Comments"
Ahhh very cool. And its 500 right on its own?
Dabaus
Banned
iamvin22
Industry Verified
Based God cerny...... again
CrysisFreak
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Empire Strikes Back
Member
This is Insomniac, if people have watched the Spider-Man post mortem they’d understand that Insomniac can extract water from stone. If I had to bet on one studio to hit those 22GB/s cap it’d be Insomniac, so I totally believe when they say the world take less than a second to load even if they are slowing down the transition a bit with the inside of rifts.
jimbojim
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pasterpl
Member
so basically they didn’t receive an offer that they would like and now are pulling out from the sale completely
Killer Sakoman
Member
They have something like 30TFs. They don't need a dedicated hardware to be frank. They might be emulate all that PS5 I/O by software and not hitting 5% load on their GPU. The PS5 I/O is still better because it is not limited by other aspects in the PC architecture.
Also, I am not sure how effective is their I/O in real application. We haven't seen developers talking about it yet.
saintjules
Member
Bloomberg article talking about the Warner Bros. situation
www.bloomberg.com
AT&T to Scrap Sale of Warner Bros. Video-Game Unit
AT&T Inc. has removed its Warner Bros. video-game business from the list of noncore assets up for sale, deciding it was too valuable to unload during its effort to pay down debt and streamline, according to people familiar with the situation.
www.bloomberg.com
Bo_Hazem
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If not mistaken, the uploader was not aware of this i think, but that Samsung 8K was a fake 8K with "built in cheats". But since Samsung created their own "alliance", their own "HDR10+", their own "standards".
Samsung made up an alliance (Hisense was part of it, then dropped out), gave themselves an award and ... rest is history. Same shit going on with HDR10+ (standard created by Samsung, based on what makes their TVs look great, instead of going with dolby vision). F#ck´em.
[IFA 2019] LG says Samsung’s 8K TV fails internationally agreed standards
BERLIN -- LG Electronics is adamant that Samsung’s 2019 8K TV does not meet the international standards for 8K resolution and that the company is effectively deceiving consumers.LG has made similar assertions before, but this is the first time it has officially called out Samsung. “We believe...www.koreaherald.com
LG Electronics Claims Samsung Electronics' 8K TVs below Standard
The war over the 8K TV image quality is intensifying between South Korea’s two electronics giants Samsung Electronics Co. and LG Electronics Inc. LG Electronicwww.businesskorea.co.kr
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Well they created their "own" standard (8K Association of which Samsung is a founder member), that should tell you who they really are or how they operate.
Why would they "create" their own alliance, standards ... ? maybe because their 2019 8k did not reach 25% (images) as indicated by ICDM "standard" (to which most TV manufacturers agreed upon, but only 12%. (blurrier image).
And I was wondering why Sony 8K TV's are insanely expensive. Sony has standards, and they stick with it.
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That's correct. Anyway, it's good that there is a solution to I/O, at least.
schaft0620
Member
I did a write up on my TGS 2020 speculation https://lordsofgaming.net/2020/09/tokyo-game-show-2020-brings-next-gen-news-this-month/
kyliethicc
Member
Could Nvidia's RTX I/O also be using the Tensor cores for I/O?
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Maybe. But I would bet on just a regular ALU.
Flippo
Neo Member
Nice presentation from NV, nice card the 3080. But I don't get it why people are comparing raw data speeds from NV with PS5. PS5 is all about removing bottlenecks, from SSD data to data in the GPU. 7Gb/s raw from 3080 is the PCIe bus speed..?? What about the speed of the memory controller on the motherboard or the SSD/harddisk attached to it. Consoles have a huge benefit of being a closed systems with well picked items. 3080 will outperform anything on RT games, but still want to see load times of games. Then again, comparing maybe a €$500 console with €$1500 graphics card is totally useless.
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iamvin22
Industry Verified
they won't. wait till they see the UI and break down.
HawarMiran
Banned
yeah fuck Sony. I am out 
. Making some bread
. Making some bread
Killer Sakoman
Member
I will stick to my poor man's 65" 8000G
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J_Gamer.exe
Member
No thats just not true is it. How does it beat Ratchet? What are you basing that off? Unless your actually sticking by that video you posted.
Firstly this is a small game and I'd doubt it was using all the ram hence why its a bit worrying it still can take so long to load such a small game, compare it to Ratchet and its like a generation behind and more. Its not even close is it and nor is it intended to be.
But Ratchet has already shown loading entire worlds that look like cgi in a second. Some take 2 seconds but dont forget that includes the portal animation.
Its not just a standard load, its animating the character through the portal and it loads then portal kicks in.
It could probably once loaded just instantly show the new world but that would look ridiculous and jarring and not fit with a character falling through it. You can see the worlds load before he passes through but you have to wait for the character to travel through.
Why you would use a video that shows a count going to 6.27 seconds only makes sense if your trying to mislead about the figures. That one he's out of the portal but whoever made it keeps counting whilst he flies down to the ground, clearly well into the other world.
I mean if were going to be this silly why stop there, may as well keep the timer going, say the whole demo is still loading.
As for astros playroom we dont know how Geoff played it, I very much doubt he had a PS5 physically.
It may have been over ps now or something, also that demo is designed to give differnt haptic feedback through it so may also be doing that through sections.
So all in all despite a small game you would think it would be easier for xbox to show instant loading on presumably a small title in ram comparatively.
After all we have heard on this velocity architecture were yet to see an impressive result.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
I have checked the translation to confirm that I have not made a mistake and I definitely believe that the translation is correct and that the part where I talk about "HYBRID" technology is perfectly clear. Same as the part where I say that everything doesn't have to be RT.
If due to my lack of English I have not properly understood your comment, please excuse me. Although at the moment I think that the one who has not understood me is you.
I tried talking to him before, the guy seems to have difficulties understanding English himself. Your post was perfect.
SSfox
Member
Yup, and i actually just seen the line up of this month gamepass (the ultimate argue about Xbox based MS and the fanboyz), and wow, i'd rather not comment about that...
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Bo_Hazem
Banned
I will stick to my poor man's 65" 8000G
Nothing wrong there, you are currently 2 levels above my 55" X7000D (XD70/X700D). And might not even manage to get 65" X900H due to too much stuff to be bought in the next few months.
Killer Sakoman
Member
They can use whatever. They have alot of power and compute to spare for I/O.
Unfortunately, we won't know how effect is their solution until PS6 releases because they will be held back by some other hardware for the next 6 years
Dont think we will get a mid gen refresh, ps6 in 2025 though
B_Boss
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Killer Sakoman
Member
I am currently gaming on my olderNothing wrong there, you are currently 2 levels above my 55" X7000D (XD70/X700D). And might not even manage to get 65" X900H due to too much stuff to be bought in the next few months.
55" X8500E. My little one is not allowing me to use 8000G. Too much Johnny Johnny yes papa
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Well, got another 4K LCD LG in the living room for that childish ear-torture, away from me.
That's Samsung for ya, they would cut every corner possible just to be the first... their 8k screen doesn't even meet international standards (he believes)
Sony will never cut corners no matter what screen technology they use... they actually set standards... it's true for all their other markets
saintjules
Member
Series X come in at $399 then?
I kid...Maybe.
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TheGreatWhiteShark
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DUDE!No thats just not true is it. How does it beat Ratchet? What are you basing that off? Unless your actually sticking by that video you posted.
Firstly this is a small game and I'd doubt it was using all the ram hence why its a bit worrying it still can take so long to load such a small game, compare it to Ratchet and its like a generation behind and more. Its not even close is it and nor is it intended to be.
But Ratchet has already shown loading entire worlds that look like cgi in a second. Some take 2 seconds but dont forget that includes the portal animation.
Its not just a standard load, its animating the character through the portal and it loads then portal kicks in.
It could probably once loaded just instantly show the new world but that would look ridiculous and jarring and not fit with a character falling through it. You can see the worlds load before he passes through but you have to wait for the character to travel through.
Why you would use a video that shows a count going to 6.27 seconds only makes sense if your trying to mislead about the figures. That one he's out of the portal but whoever made it keeps counting whilst he flies down to the ground, clearly well into the other world.
I mean if were going to be this silly why stop there, may as well keep the timer going, say the whole demo is still loading.
As for astros playroom we dont know how Geoff played it, I very much doubt he had a PS5 physically.
It may have been over ps now or something, also that demo is designed to give differnt haptic feedback through it so may also be doing that through sections.
So all in all despite a small game you would think it would be easier for xbox to show instant loading on presumably a small title in ram comparatively.
After all we have heard on this velocity architecture were yet to see an impressive result.
I've lost waaaay tooo much time trying to explain things, because of your TROLLBAIT original thesis, about how "WORRYING LOAD TIMES IN XBOX SERIES X":
Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD
You want examples ? Really? Here we go: - that halo video titled are halo graphism really flat where he states that it is because of shadows that the game look like this and how to fix it easily.ecause that's exatly what the titlesaid it would be excuses and justifications. -him not being able...
I don't plan loosing even a second more.
Read the thread IF you like, or go watch nvidia's presentation on what they are doing with microsoft's IO DX
Whatever you understand, its your benefit
Whatever you dont understand, its not my fault
I had to upload videos even for other's STUPID hypotheses like yours, that astro was not running on ps5
To have a conversation, you need either to be knowing things, or be able to understand things.
If neither of those, then you are far better off just replaying cerny's speech again and again until it burns your mind completely
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Zoro7
Banned
Series come in at $399?
Microsoft isn’t trying to sell consoles. The series X is a myth.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
I'm a Sony man through and through. Got 5 Bravias in my home (6, but gave one away) and I'll be damned if I get another brand!
I'm automatically in love with you. Get the X900H or wait for 2021 models to implement HDMI 2.1
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BattleScar
Member
Series X come in at $399 then?
Because not everyone has a PC ready and waiting to slot the GPU into.
Add in all the other components and you're looking at north of $1000 just for the hardware. Leave alone the Windows license and then buying games.
jimbojim
Banned
Don't forget to put him on ignore list. Like everyone else
Great Hair
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TheGreatWhiteShark
Member
You still going on my friend Bo?
first learn to use a stopwatch, then talk about rendering techniques, or other people's comprehension. friendly advice
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Killer Sakoman
Member
I was planning to buy a Cheap tv for the living room. Not worth wasting money on Satalite channels, but I was lucky to get a big electronic store coupon from my company. So I got that 65" 8000G for half the price. The living room became netflix room before I restricted it to young age due to the too much annoying homo stuff. Now it became cartoonflix tv.Well, got another 4K LCD LG in the living room for that childish ear-torture, away from me.
I feel like a 20TF $599 3070 is a compelling value that has given me pause, somewhat pressuring my decision to spend dollars on a next gen console that will be similar in price and deliver half the performance.
The timing and pricing here from Nvidia is hard to ignore..
(I still want next gen consoles, this isn't a PC master race post). It's just now I feel a little bit icky about it, and may wind up having to replace my old 980ti as well haha.
The timing and pricing here from Nvidia is hard to ignore..
(I still want next gen consoles, this isn't a PC master race post). It's just now I feel a little bit icky about it, and may wind up having to replace my old 980ti as well haha.
Agnostic2020
Member
Imagine wanting xsx now after nvidia
Weak gpu like ps5 compared to nvidia
Weak io solution and weak ssd
No games for time being
Pc and ps5 all the way
Weak gpu like ps5 compared to nvidia
Weak io solution and weak ssd
No games for time being
Pc and ps5 all the way
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dotnotbot
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Even new SONY Z8H isn't truly 8K, panel seems to be capable of true 8K but the processing isn't.
(11:56)
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When the FUCK are they gonna show shit again? I was dead sure today they would announce their conference date.
bhunachicken
Member
Serious question: why would anyone buy an Xbox Series X now that RTX 3070 costs $499?
So, I can just buy that GPU and plug it straight into my TV?
So, I can just buy that GPU and plug it straight into my TV?
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