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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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MarkMe2525

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Just a crazy conspiracy theory that I will probably be mocked over. I think Microsoft has kept everything close to their chest because they plan on bombshelling us with awesome announcements. I 100% realize this is a fans wishful thinking but they usually would get bad news out early to control the narrative. They look at Apple and Samsung and are following the model they laid down, announce everything at once about a month before launch. I'm probably just an idiot.
 
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IntentionalPun

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I see no problem with it being a second or two, I agree that is amazing. I just wonder is it possible to be just about seamless if they wanted it to be? I remember Cerny saying in Road to the PS5 talk about loads can be so fast its quite jarring. So could these 2 sec loads basically be them slowing it down on purpose for a transition?

Just depends... it's a factor of assets needed to load + calculations made.

And how many assets you need to load is a factor of:

1) How many assets are shared between what is already loaded, and where you are going (this is the trick Ghosts of Tsushima probably uses, moist of the game is done with a ton of shared assets)
2) How much is actually needed to render the view safely (only what's on screen + what you realistically should pre-fetch, like assets where the player can turn there head to see them quickly)

It'd be incredibly rare for a game to need to load more than in PS5 SSD + compression time, "1 seconds" worth of data IMO. 5.5 GB/second enhanced by compression is a pretty decent chunk of RAM.. and you don't need to fill RAM, especially with how fast the SSD is.

Calculations are the untold story of load times though... it's not ALL asset loading.. that part is way murkier and dependent on the game.
 
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SSfox

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Tease on who'll reveal the price?

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Sinthor

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I am just basing my speculation on what we have seen.
It is more of a denial to say that on astrobot loading times are big because the developers wanted us to look at the ....tunnel (I can provide quotation on that)
or that insomniac while being the frontrunner for ps5 SSD, intentionally bloats up the loading times because ...artistic reasons (I can also provide quotation for this too)
Well, that's just it. We know the technical specs right..so you thinker's more likely that the astrobot demo is really taking 8 seconds or whatever? And with developers saying that it takes less than a second, that it's MORE reasonable to believe they're lying?

I dunno. Think you're trying to hard with trying to make this all factual when we don't HAVE the facts. Speculation- cool. Just not fact. We'll know the answers to most of this stuff, before the end of the year, fortunately....assuming these consoles actually come out as planned! lol.

I just think people are getting a little too serious and going past speculation on some things, that's all. It's all good though and we will know the answers sooner or later! ;)
 
Let's see, I'm reading a lot of dramas.



Spiderman takes 0.83 seconds to load. R&C doesn't take longer. The rest of the time is the period used for the "visual" transition from one world to another. If there was no such transition, you would see a black screen for 0.83 seconds. If you pass the demo frame by frame you will be able to check the exact moment between the start of the load and the end of it. Not from the transition. Just the load. And it does not reach 1 second (by very little). This will be a constant in all PS5 games, so it is more worth it for unbelievers to assume it.

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This is what I keep saying. Sometimes I need a break with some cinematic entertainment. I like corridors, elevators, amd normal things that take time in real life. As long as its smooth Im great. I don't get all of this nit picking.
 
I genuinely appreciate the answer and the trouble you went to to gather up that info. It's interesting to fill in the gaps.

Is that all it is though? A group of people in a discord group, some of whom were a bit naughty on Era? It's hardly al-qaeda is it? I mean, that kind of group reporting can happen, and probably has happened, here.

I've seen the DF guy getting hounded for being part of that discord, even though none of his responses, at least those that I've read, seem overly problematic to me.

He's laughed at some of the more extreme fans, sure, I imagine that he's had to put up with a lot though, much of it coming from a particular group of 'you know who' fans, it's probably good for his soul to let off a little steam from time to time.

There seems to be some 'guilt by association' involved.

I use this place alongside a lot of other people. Some of those people post nonsense and are utterly fact-resistant. I'm sure you've had to deal with it to.

The thing is, people from outside this forum probably lump us all together in the exact same way that Sony fans have decided that anyone in that discord group is part of some sweeping conspiracy.

It seems to me, if your examples are typical, that a small number of people have overreacted to the discord group and then made loud and confident assertions that evil was afoot. It seems those assertions have been taken at face value by nearly everyone else (me included).

There really doesn't seem to be a lot to it though, just more fanboy turfwars. :)

Again, thanks for the info, it's been really helpful.
1.- Why you quote me I was not talking about that ? I was joking about other topics

2.-I don't think necessary any person part of a discord of fanboys or haters be a bad person, are just videogames I
could considered stupid because some of them use reactions a way to express an idea instead to try to a have a
good debate and after they are crying saying they are not fanboys.

A couple of them have a good technical level in some areas better than me in another's the opposite but are just a
couple, most of them doesn't have a clue idea of what they are talking about.

3.-The guy of DF constantly mocked the idea of the SSD would improve the graphics, a stupid thing to make fun if
you really try to understand how complicated and limiting that is streaming from an HDD, also can not go with the
flag of impartial and then appear in a group of fanboys quite toxic from a console.

4.- Is not the same a group of fans than that discord group I never read in any forum of this year in Neo of Playstation
or Xbox about to organize to spread a bad a new or rumor in different forums.

5.-The problem with the FUD in this kind of scenarios is our press in general is pathetical bad doing research so if for
example I said the XSX will perform much times better thank to SFS most of them just take a true the idea or PS5 doesn't
need to use ram because is SSD is so fast, this another stupid idea.

This happens because most of them never study or have enough or nothing of knowledge of programing or hardware
and even if are related to that they never were part of a dev a game is like want to talk about how good are the carts but
you just don't have an idea of how this a build.

So they take as true any new which sound interesting, that is why when you cousin or some of your friends read a new
regarding this consoles, usually the source are Twitter, PR message or a Forum that is it.
 
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MarkMe2525

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Actually in 2013 and the first half of 2014 the narrative was PS4 has no games. I remember that was battle cry for Xbox fans until bloodbourne IIRC.
 
It's ridiculous that you would use Halo to make a point. Everyone knows the situation the game is in...
Oh come on X. Let him have it! No excuses, someone wasn't doing there job right at MS. Sony's R&C looks so good that people need something to pick at. We all have been through a rough time in 2020. MS has the funds to be better. They just are to bro American to figure things out. I just cant wait for Sept to be done so we can stop this thread and move forward. In the end we all would probably have the best time gaming together. MS talked so much confidence, zingers, who the "real competition is", and more. They deserve to be laughed at but also respected for there past "'360". They did pave the way for some things im sure.
 
Well now I used a simpler analogy, you can correct both Ps5 and XSX fans when they think loading is doubled, its not, its just loading assets that are lossy (lamda).

If you don't mind me asking what your background with tech?

You seem to have quite a bit of knowledge on hardware which is why I'm asking.
 
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Nope, stop putting words in my mouth. You are the one that is giving a twist to their loading time video. It's a video from April/May where they are showing a current-gen game loading. That's it. I'm not being generous, just stating facts.

You on the other hand are deliberately being negative. You already understand the situation, you know that there are optimisations to be made that they didn't make, and you keep trying to put something negative on it. You started by saying that this is representative for VA, that there weren't improvements to be made. I tell you what they can do, then it's crappy marketing, and on and on and on.

It's loading times. PS5 will be faster. If PS5 can load something within a second, XSX will load it in 2-3 seconds. That's it.
Talk about putting words in someone's mouth lol. I said I was taking your claims for granted and working on that framework.

I assumed things based on what was actually shown, not being negative at all, and you end the post pretty much agreeing with me. Which is, whatever MS has, it's definitely worse than what the ps5 has in this front. Let's see how much worse once games are actually shown on the final hardware.
 

Neo Blaster

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Team Xbox has been teasing a lot of collaboration with Japanese dev community this time around compared to current gen. I wouldn't be surprised if plethora of xbox timed exclusives from the land of rising sun are announced at TGS and boom announce the price of Series X, outsell PS5 in Sony's home turf.
Xcloud has far more chance there than XSX, it's not even close.
 

Nickolaidas

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“As developers [of Demon’s Souls], we are already changing the way we think about the SSD. We see it not just as storage but also memory, utilizing the speed of the SSD to load data at blistering speeds, bringing you straight back into the action to avenge your many deaths.”— Gavin Moore // Creative Director, SIE Japan Studio”

Ouch... I’m going to die a lot ain’t I? :messenger_grimmacing_
It's Demon's Souls, dude. Dying is like breathing over there.
 

SSfox

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Don't get any. I have the A40 + Mixer and the bass is extremely flat. It's good to listen to the news not gaming! I'm buying the Pulse 3D next.

Hum, weird, i know many people on gaming that praise it, but maybe it's not the same model? But in any case good chances i'm going for Pulse 3D, there is also chance it will be the best in the market when it comes to price/quality. And it's been designed for PS5 so.
 

Bo_Hazem

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Hum, weird, i know many people on gaming that praise it, but maybe it's not the same model? But in any case good chances i'm going for Pulse 3D, there is also chance it will be the best in the market when it comes to price/quality. And it's been designed for PS5 so.

Sound quality is good, and comfy, but bass is too flat. Expulsions are too flat, that's immersion breaker to me.
 

kyliethicc

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So Nvidia shows off RTX 3000 and starts bragging about their new custom I/O to offload I/O load from the CPU... its almost as if Cerny also knew what the real bottleneck going forward would be.

And that marbles thing was stunning. Funny that both that demo and the UE5 demo were 1440p30. Different degrees of tech of course, but its still kinda funny. Resolution and frame rate clearly don't matter when shits path traced.
 
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SSfox

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This post is a bit old but is bugging me a lot.

All of us know Cory from gow2. His involvement was the sole reason most of us were excited about the gow reboot from day one.

Only hardcore fans of first GOW games know about him, and even most of those who played GOW2 don't know about Barlog, there wasn't twitter back then and youtube wasn't too old, you can see docs about him it barely reach 50000, now he is more well known because of twitter and all this social media stuffs, and for a lot of people GOW PS4 is their first GOW game and that already sold much more than GOW2 PS2. Honestly during early 2000 era there were rarely people that were well known in gaming industry, like outside of Kojima or Miyamoto and few others there weren't many names that stuck with people's mind, nowdays it's different mostly because there's Twitter, Youtube, and journalists that talk all this stuff.

Anyway, to me when i watched back then the making of GOW2 i felt that Cory was super passionate about he does, to say the least, no wonder the game so masterpiece.
 
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SSfox

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I'm late to the party, but are people seriously arguing about Ratchet loading times? Lmao what they achieve here is quite more than nice, and especially for launch window game. I actually wonder if they even used Kraken, actually i don't think so? considering that each new place probably don't hit "not even close" 22 GB. Also the tech is super new for the devs. Dunno what's with this nonsens ague but aw.
 

Bo_Hazem

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I considered an 8k and seeing a 75" sitting next to a nice 4k of the same size when I backed up 3-4 feet my old eyes couldnt see any difference.

I am quite content with 4k and real HDR

The advantage of 8K over 4K is pretty clear and visible, problem is the content is pretty narrow. I'll buy an 8K tv with PS5 Pro comes. I was about to buy 8K Q900R.
 
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Me after see NVDIA 3000 series:

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As I think NVIDIA will use double the framerate marketing tool in RT department.

Also for the prices I am very happy (3070,3080) and that 3090 oh my God.
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