CrysisFreak
Banned
my sides are in orbit
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
- Status
Bo_Hazem
Banned
I'm done with both of you, you guys need help. Common sense is a luxury that you can't afford.
Last edited:
jimbojim
Banned
He surely spreading crap, since page 2911. Also comparing loadings between the 2 vastly different games in graphics fidelity, destruction and what not
saintjules
Member
Ratchet & Clank is the unlikely star of the PS5 line-up | Opinion
Ratchet & Clank has always been a technically accomplished series.Before my career in the media, I worked in video game…
www.gamesindustry.biz
TheGreatWhiteShark
Member
so, its not fair to use astrobot for ps5, a showcase game made by sony that will be pre-installed on each and every console,
but it is fair to use a indie game made by two persons, that is multiplatform, for xbox
ok, gotcha
I'd say common sense is an unreachable target for you, Bo
Last edited:
CrysisFreak
Banned
Indeed son.
HawarMiran
Banned
I started to look into sourdough bread making. Please Sony do something 
zubairali2
Member
you've been dragging your nuts for the past couple of pages about loading times. how about we all wait until these consoles are launched and then we'll look back how ridiculous this conversation was.
Setsuna Mudou
Member
Wait, what???
I was only half following this pissing contest about loading times since it's pretty obvious it's really, really quick.
But now you're saying that a transition is only there to hide a loading? That is so patently absurd I don't even know if you're trolling at this point.
What were you expecting on a game like this? Hard cut to black and 0.2s later you appear in a totally different game world without any gameplay or environmental context as to why you got there? I thought you were nitpicking at first, but now I just think you're arguing in bad faith. Hope I'm wrong though.
Phrixotrichus
Banned
Just by skipping over the discussion of the last few pages I got to the conclusion that you`re probably not the right person to say this to others.....
TheGreatWhiteShark
Member
I have a feeling that when both consoles are out and games are tested on them comparatively,
most of these people -including you- that are doing the talk right now, will be doing the moonwalk
and no, I am not dragging my big nuts, I am only replying to those that quote me (and are not in ignore list)
Last edited:
BGs
Industry Professional
Let's see, I'm reading a lot of dramas.
Spiderman takes 0.83 seconds to load. R&C doesn't take longer. The rest of the time is the period used for the "visual" transition from one world to another. If there was no such transition, you would see a black screen for 0.83 seconds. If you pass the demo frame by frame you will be able to check the exact moment between the start of the load and the end of it. Not from the transition. Just the load. And it does not reach 1 second (by very little). This will be a constant in all PS5 games, so it is more worth it for unbelievers to assume it.
Spiderman takes 0.83 seconds to load. R&C doesn't take longer. The rest of the time is the period used for the "visual" transition from one world to another. If there was no such transition, you would see a black screen for 0.83 seconds. If you pass the demo frame by frame you will be able to check the exact moment between the start of the load and the end of it. Not from the transition. Just the load. And it does not reach 1 second (by very little). This will be a constant in all PS5 games, so it is more worth it for unbelievers to assume it.
Last edited:
Krisprolls
Banned
I started to look into sourdough bread making. Please Sony do something
I'm with you, I want new information about next gen so much... Any information. We're starving so much we're arguing about 1 sec loading times.
geordiemp
Member
Why on earth you arguing with
Bo_Hazem
on 1 or 2 seconds for loading a whoe level...XSX Velocity architecture will of been on the development kits and a fast SSD. and the pop in for Xbox was seriously bad. TIMESTAMPED - and it was just a static tree LOD.
And if posters say there was no velocity architecture, its hidden in a vault and must be unlocked by Phil sacrifice to teh blood gods. Whats the excuse for this ?
And people have the nerve to complain if 1 or 2 seconds and transition animations when loading a whole level in Ratchet, but in Halo just a static tree LOD cuts your eyes out.
Get real people.
Last edited:
D
Deleted member 775630
Unconfirmed Member
Why on earth you arguing with
And if posters say there was no velocity architecture, its hidden in a vault and must be unlocked by Phil sacrafice whatever. Whats the excuse for this ?
And people have the nerve to complain if 1 or 2 seconds and transition animations when loading a whole level in Ratchet, bit just a static tree LOD.
Get real people.
It's ridiculous that you would use Halo to make a point. Everyone knows the situation the game is in...
zubairali2
Member
geordiemp
Member
I dont understand, whats Halo dev talent got to do with this ?
Does Velocity arcitecture work or not, this has nothing to do with Halo, Its a file IO technology in dev kits and XSX and Lockart
Putting some PERSPECTIVE here
Last edited:
geordiemp
Member
Last edited:
I have whoever's trying spread FUD on ignore so this is quite amusing. All I'm seeing is actual good points being made about not having a jarring transition hence the very nice portal jumps and I assume the FUD spreader is saying hur dur insomniac lie it's not 1 second hur dur
geordiemp
Member
Posters attacking Ratchet 1 or 2 seconds loading a whole new level, and its bad reference to what exactly.
azertydu91
Hard to Kill
Oh because you think you disprove my points by answering something that wasn't those points you just answered a false narrative in your mind.
But f you want prooves here it is.
here's a link where dicktator say PS5 doesn't have raytracing.
now here when he said that insomniac did a bad job at showing ray tracing
This claims has already been debunked almost instantly about raytracing showing what was hidden behind spidey and later confirmed by insomniac.
A lot of people showed proof about him being in that discord which surprinsingly you don't think is bad.
It's crazy because if there was a secret ps discord plotting against Xbox I'm sure you'd have a problem with them.You have problem with people that think Ratchet have a quick loading transition.
So quick question how come I didn't provide any proof when they are so much in this thread but at the same time I provide made up prooves at least stay coherent in your bullshit.
But let's remember your "points" -that discord doesn't not exist ..... Oops it does.
Yeah but is it bad ? ...... Showing death treats fake insiders lies etc....
Yet you think it is good surprising.
Then I have no proof ..... keep showing proof
Yeah but they are made up ..... Link again proof from hi twitter and Era.
Yeah but since you have no proof why bother with the 8 or more points you have since I blindly and stupidly disregarded 2 points, missing the point each time and answering something else.
Do you want quote from a video sure here it is
Playstation exclusive pushing the graphical boundaries"John
Yeah but a 30 though" Alex
That's not the point"John
Yeah it is" Alex
All that in the defense of Halo.
Please next time you will deliver pointless argument and won't understand basic points please refrain from doing so.
And maybe ask yourself will I dispel the doubts and confirm that I am stupid.
Look at the people agreeing me they are not all playstation fanboys.Look at the one guy whom like your post.
https://wccftech.com/playstation-5-ssd-open-world/
https://www.glitched.online/youtuber-calls-out-digital-foundry-over-dishonest-gears-5-analysis-video/
https://www.resetera.com/threads/playstation-5-system-architecture-deep-dive-ot-secret-agent-cerny.175780/page-168
The zooming 300% is on the analysis of Gran turismo.And on twitter he said there was nothing new in that video that is worth another one ....Nxgamer disagrees Just like Gia photo/video and others.
All the other points have been proven by other gaffers here notable the discord part.
Please now maybe you can shut the fuck up.
I'm always happy to talk even with people I disagree because they sometimes bring good points you did not.You just accused me of being crazy and garbage, I told you my arguments you barely understood them and asked proof ,I provided them you dismissed, I provided some more as well as other users here and your argument was that they were made up.....
Congrats your age is probably way higher than IQ , so is my shoe size.Since you are incapable of either understanding basic point or bring anything interesting to the discussion to the ignore list you go.
And the worst part is I don't like ignoring people but if we can't talk why bother.That's why
TBiddy
or other people like our own fish and shark are not in my ignore list they at least brings points that can be discussed.You started talking to me calling me crazy and the worst part is that it was your best argument ever since.Bye
D
Deleted member 775630
Unconfirmed Member
Has nothing to do with their dev talent. The footage you showed is from a couple of months ago, Halo is delayed and won't surprise me if it releases holiday 2021. That means that you are using footage of 1.5 years old (when it actually releases). Besides that you've also heard the rumours about XSX devkit issues, so here you are pretending as if Halo Infinite shows how VA works, knowing full well that that footage doesn't mean anything, and isn't representable of VA performance.
Last edited by a moderator:
Bo_Hazem
Banned
To this:
It's too fast that you can only go to the bathroom, pee, and comeback, nothing more.
Last edited:
WhispersintheWind
Member
Why on earth you arguing with
XSX Velocity architecture will of been on the development kits and a fast SSD. and the pop in for Xbox was seriously bad. TIMESTAMPED - and it was just a static tree LOD.
And if posters say there was no velocity architecture, its hidden in a vault and must be unlocked by Phil sacrafice whatever. Whats the excuse for this ?
And people have the nerve to complain if 1 or 2 seconds and transition animations when loading a whole level in Ratchet, but in Halo just a static tree LOD cuts your eyes out.
Get real people.
I didn’t say it was locked in a vault. I said I heard Velocity Architecture is very hard to master. It’s very in depth. I also said a lot of Xbox Series Feature baked into the chip has not translated well to PC’s trying to emulate it. With Covid a lot of time is being spent on PCs then the Debug Consoles. Just because Dev Kits have API’s for PC doesn’t mean it emulating and running it well those features well.
Covid is effecting Game development all over the Industry. Some more then others. Just be glad we are getting next gen Consoles this year.
Last edited:
geordiemp
Member
The fast loading demo was before halo demo and showed us velocity architecture according to Microsoft. So there are 2 conclusions
1. Microsoft were not telling the truth and VA is not working in the VA demo.
2. VA does not work well.
Take your pick.
D
Deleted member 775630
Unconfirmed Member
It's a current-gen game, not optimized just running on that SSD. Nice try though...
Where does the fast loading demo say it was applying VA?
Last edited by a moderator:
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Well, I know this does not suit your narrative, but I was only replying to this fella right here:
Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD
You want examples ? Really? Here we go: - that halo video titled are halo graphism really flat where he states that it is because of shadows that the game look like this and how to fix it easily.ecause that's exatly what the titlesaid it would be excuses and justifications. -him not being able...www.neogaf.com
He timed the xbox demo loading times, and he got me concerned
So I did some comparative timing
Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD
Yeah no. I thought that person was already proven to be a fake? Phil Spencer is the real deal, tho he confuses his arse for his mouth (or vice versa)
and for your own information, I am both at "xboxland" AND at "playstationland"
I just dont like FUD and console racism
So you answer wrong with wrong? Anyway, let's move on.
jimbojim
Banned
Stop LYING! No one quoted you. In fact, you started to compare loadings. Since page 2906 till 2911 no one quoted you. Then on page 2911 in your first post on that page you quoted J_Gamer who wasn't impressed by loadings in game which ran on XSX and you quoted J_Gamer and directly compared loadings between demoed game on XSX and Ratchet.
Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD
Yeah no. I thought that person was already proven to be a fake? Phil Spencer is the real deal, tho he confuses his arse for his mouth (or vice versa)
And others followed. Now you want to play some drama queen.
Last edited:
geordiemp
Member
Covid LOL. VA is a supposedly fast loading system IO, it now needs special programming and developer talent ?
And of course blood sacrifice.
The only hardware Goosen referred to for SFS was the LOD texture blending operation, I can link you to this if you wish.
LOL
Last edited:
Bo_Hazem
Banned
So Spiderman PS4 is next gen now? Nice try acting dumb.
Neo Blaster
Member
We're going to see a lot of fades to black, 1-second wait after pressing fast travel on a map, quick images and many other techniques like that to mask the loadings, it's loading screen 2.0.It's a kinda bizarre line of attack on PS5 tbh.
“OMG PS5 still has loading screens, they’re hidden behind the portal jumps”
Who fucking cares? Call it a loading screen if you want, it's still only a second.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
So XSX is hard to develop for and devs are struggling with it so that's why we don't see games running on XSX?
sircaw
Banned
I went to bed, got up early, went out, worked like a dog.
Came home, Logged on, and Saw 6 pages advanced in this Forums.
I was like yes, this means its news about the console + games
To my fucking surprise i find out it's about Rachet and clanks god damn loading screens.
Who Cares seriously,
Came home, Logged on, and Saw 6 pages advanced in this Forums.
I was like yes, this means its news about the console + games
To my fucking surprise i find out it's about Rachet and clanks god damn loading screens.
Who Cares seriously,
lepermessiah
Member
This is some funny shit. 
kyliethicc
Member
C'mon everyone don't feed the troll.
Let's instead speculate if Sony spent the minor extra amount of cash needed to up the PS5 USB ports to 10 Gbps.
I doubt it, but I hope.
Let's instead speculate if Sony spent the minor extra amount of cash needed to up the PS5 USB ports to 10 Gbps.
I doubt it, but I hope.
geordiemp
Member
On the Description on official XBOX youtube.
Not optimised for series X, story so far ?.
Last edited:
lepermessiah
Member
Morons will complain about a picosecond load if it isn't on their preferred piece of plastic and silicon. Insufferable. Shut. The. Fuck. Up.
cudiye
Member
Dude so insecure, he added that he has big nuts when quoted. Cringe.
WhispersintheWind
Member
Wouldn’t say hard to develop for. The way it was put to me. Mind you this is second hand. Difficult to master some of the features. Even with API on PCs it’s not emulating very well. Because of Covid A lot of people worked from home over the last several months. So the access to debug console has been limited to very few.
Velocity Architecture I have been told has many layers like and onion. VA is so fine you can change assets and textures in the frames on the fly.
Like I said Covid has effected the gaming industry. I’m thankful we are getting Next Gen Consoles this year. I’m excited about the future.
Last edited:
D
Deleted member 775630
Unconfirmed Member
Just a game Cerny himself worked on alongside Insomniac while creating the PS5... But sure if you want to go for this, then I can't wait to see PS5 BC games, they must all load at least this fast, knowing Spider-Man is an open-world game. We'll talk about this again at launch.
First sentence: does not represent gamapley optimized for Xbox Series XOn the Description on official XBOX youtube.
Not optimised for series X, story so far ?.
TherapistGaymer
Banned
I like X Fighter but have no idea why he would comd to that conclusion. Just the same as a PC - scalability doesn't mean a weaker GPU. It's just wiggle room/ performance options.
Saudumm
Member
Uhm, wasn't the Halo demo running on a PC? And the VA is a Xbox Series feature?
geordiemp
Member
I dont believe in hot air, we had that with power of the cloud and real buildings destruction in crackdown 3 ....
We have had allot of VA PR from mS, and 3 demos
1. State of decay 2 fast loading (on web site says VA but gameplay not optimised)
2. Fast resume of 1 GB size games in 5 seconds (Cave) on XSX supposedly but who knows ?
3. Halo Infinite last demo shown, pop in everywhere
Its called Ocams Razer.the simple fact is VA is not working well at all as a software solution, which many believed would be the case.
Last edited:
geordiemp
Member
First sentence: does not represent gameplay optimized for Xbox Series X
Its a loading technology that overcomes the really slow Microsoft IO system, its not gameplay.
Also the first paragraph says to demonstrate load time technology ?
Read the first paragraph, its a demonstration of the loading technology, what do you think was being demonstrated ?
Last edited:
ThaMonkeyClaw
Member
That is just referring to Windows 10 S Mode, not the Series S.
https://www.howtogeek.com/354057/what-is-windows-10-in-s-mode/
**Edit: Nevermind, I am an idiot, I didn't realize it said the Xbox Series X|S at the top...that's what happened when you post too early in the morning!
Last edited:
Wraith Phantom
Member
Playstation will be there in game play reveals & captured on PS5 text. PS will be there.
The only way to get me to sign up to PSNOW is a new PSP. Plus back compat PS1-4 games the minimum let me play my PS4 library. Its the only way I sign up to PSNow. PSNow has no use case right now imo. It wont flourish without portability.
Last edited:
- Status