Leo_Barcellos
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Come on guys, IT'S TODAY!!!!
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TheGreatWhiteShark
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its meaningless.Thanks For making me laugh this morning!
Also for the record I’m not a fanboy or Console warrior for either side. I own all consoles. I’m a gamer!
I have posted pics of my ps3 and ps4 in the cabinet, I have posted pics of me holding the dual shock in front of tv while replying to this very thread, etc.
Some people just dont have the capacity to get it.
If you are not like them, you are their enemy
BlueXImpulse
Banned
Exposed again.
ethomaz
Banned
I already died even with big load screens lol“As developers [of Demon’s Souls], we are already changing the way we think about the SSD. We see it not just as storage but also memory, utilizing the speed of the SSD to load data at blistering speeds, bringing you straight back into the action to avenge your many deaths.”— Gavin Moore // Creative Director, SIE Japan Studio”
Ouch... I’m going to die a lot ain’t I?
Souls games are try and error.
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xacto
Member
Been out for the last 200 pages or so.... I see people are still in hard denial mode.
At least it's keeping some of us entertained.
FranXico
Member
Yes. And with World Tendency, the more you die, the harder the game gets...“As developers [of Demon’s Souls], we are already changing the way we think about the SSD. We see it not just as storage but also memory, utilizing the speed of the SSD to load data at blistering speeds, bringing you straight back into the action to avenge your many deaths.”— Gavin Moore // Creative Director, SIE Japan Studio”
Ouch... I’m going to die a lot ain’t I?
TherapistGaymer
Banned
Thank you! Super cringeworthy. I equate it to color blindness. We see green grass and he sees blue. That is wild all the time he put into massaging his ego and reinforcing false beliefs. Super FUDgy!
saintjules
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ethomaz
Banned
My brother has an iPhone for work because all bank apps for his work only works on iPhone.
BTW the iPhone is from the bank he works so he never brought one.
His personal phone is an Android Galaxy but I don’t remember the model.
Maybe that is the case.
PS. I use iPhone since they killed Symbian... I tried early last year to use an high-end Android but after three months I gave it to my wife and brought a new iPhone.
Setsuna Mudou
Member
So in summary, Sony's approach "just works" even for a game like spiderman (shown behind closed doors more than a year ago) that was built for slow HDDs, but MS's approach requires a ton of work to still not be as fast as Sony's solution? Would you say that seems like a fair assessment of your 4 points?
Also, if you need to jump through all these hoops in order to shave off a few seconds of loading time, do we think most developers will actually put in the effort or just slap in a few more seconds loading on the secondary platform?
I'm not even going to argue these points presented, just taking them at complete face value for the sake of this discussion.
Zoro7
Banned
Isn’t symbian what women sit on to pleasure themselves.....
cudiye
Member
I though Geoff and Heisenberg hyped something up for today? Made it sound like some sort of announcement for something or anything but a trailer and blog about dev talk. Im disappoint
azertydu91
Hard to Kill
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
No thats my penis AKA the Tower of Power.
TheGreatWhiteShark
Member
xbone games do not use the double compression of the new xboxes Geordie.Read the first paragraph, to demonstrate the load time technology - what technology do you think this could be.
Ocams Razor, it is what it is. We can see the results, people using mental gymnastics saying just wait. Whatever.
only xbox series x/s games will.
so it's ~double the time.
also, this procedure is not a read (load). its write image of current game(save), then load image of selected game.
I thought you were more knowledgeable than what you write here.
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TherapistGaymer
Banned
Is your friend this misinformed about life in general. I mean there is clear evidence he is wrong. How do you justify no game footage vs game footage captured on a PS5 (not devkit).
hemo memo
Gold Member
Geoff would hype pretty much everything so I wouldn’t use that as a measure. I missed what
HeisenbergFX4
said tho, did he hype something today?
Setsuna Mudou
Member
Appreciate that, but that's not really the point here. We're talking about the standard game assets being loaded into RAM, just like they normally would in past generations and timing that exact thing.
What you are talking about relates more to the free up of RAM to load higher quality assets with the purpose of only displaying what's in the player's FoV. That's an entirely separate discussion, and I don't think there were any high quality assets in a 2km radius of those State of Decay demos MS was using to demonstrate their "fast" loading times
Setsuna Mudou
Member
Only women?
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
I was a windows phone guy. I still miss it and use Square Home on my android.
Setsuna Mudou
Member
Ampere and the RTX 3000 series
I'm more hyped for the fact we're finally see some movement on the GPU marked and maybe (just maybe) some actual gaming benchmarks will be released. Also what price point will be the next gen of GPUs at and how will that impact AMD's reaction on the RDNA 2 release in a couple months.
Plenty to be hyped about, just not everything is about consoles
Zoro7
Banned
That’s why you’re the red ranger. Makes sense.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Good, so in layman's terms, the deeper you cut, the harder you cry?
/s
Thanks for the details!
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WhispersintheWind
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LOL, No Problem Bo.
SaucyJack
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Which is rendered meaningless because of the volume of utter crap that you choose to post on a daily basis.
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TheGreatWhiteShark
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Hawking Radiation
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No announcement?
Fuck this. I'm off to bed.
Fuck this. I'm off to bed.
D
Deleted member 775630
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Nope, I wouldn't call that a fair assessment. Neither you, nor I have any idea how much works this costs. For example using the correct compression algorithm isn't really a lot of effort, since most game developers are already compressing their game. So saying it's a lot of work, isn't fair.
Dodkrake
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Why was I seeing the convo here and thinking "It looks like they are arguing with the Shark dude". I clicked to see "show ignored content" and behold, they were.
It's actually interesting that I could tell people were arguing with someone in particular just by reading the replies.
It's actually interesting that I could tell people were arguing with someone in particular just by reading the replies.
Zoro7
Banned
Keep at it and eventually you’ll be talking to yourself on these forums.welcoming you, my ignore list is
ethomaz
Banned
I did like the interface when I used one in the stores but I never had opportunity to buy one... he did phased out too fast.
It really has potential.
azertydu91
Hard to Kill
hemo memo
Gold Member
And the useless information of the day goes to...
Mr Moose
Member
He's only bringing up the 3D audio because the game is struggling to hit 1080p/60fps on the PS5.
TheGreatWhiteShark
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would probably make a much more intelligent conversation than what we are having here right now with some folks
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SaucyJack
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welcoming you, my ignore list is
Care factor, 0
jimbojim
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Just check this post and you'll understand all.
Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD
Team Xbox has been teasing a lot of collaboration with Japanese dev community this time around compared to current gen. I wouldn't be surprised if plethora of xbox timed exclusives from the land of rising sun are announced at TGS and boom announce the price of Series X, outsell PS5 in Sony's...
Btw. i'm also on his ignore list because he couldn't accept that triggers on X1 gamepad doesn't provide any resistance after i've said that numerous times to him.
Sinthor
Gold Member
Denial is a very bad pimple you know...
and while this is video games, therefore denial is rather harmless, it cascades.
this video I transloaded from another person's video because of the embedded timer. but I timed it myself, on the original gamescom video.
As I said, probably loading starts even earlier than where that video begins the timer, as the entire previous thing is a non-playable sequence where ratchet slips and falls.
You can deny timing it yourself, even from the original video
you can not believe your eyes for all I care,
and keep on parroting per paid PR what your eyes see as "less than a second"
Not my problem
Yes, because astro playground is the real heavy shit, right?
And this is the tech demo that will come pre-installed in every console.
Keep denying and writing cheeky remarks.
Very beneficial.
I really think you should wait till you can KNOW how long loading it taking. You have developers saying less than a second and there is NO WAY you can tell actual loading times or when loading is even happening, from these videos. Speculation sure...but you're going way beyond speculation here and representing it as FACT. That's just not possible. Don't be the one in denial.
LucidFlux
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Appreciate that, but that's not really the point here. We're talking about the standard game assets being loaded into RAM, just like they normally would in past generations and timing that exact thing.
What you are talking about relates more to the free up of RAM to load higher quality assets with the purpose of only displaying what's in the player's FoV. That's an entirely separate discussion, and I don't think there were any high quality assets in a 2km radius of those State of Decay demos MS was using to demonstrate their "fast" loading times
Ah you're right on that. I think I was more so framing that reply around the question of what would happen post optimization, but In my head I was optimizing a future engine for XbsX, and not optimizing how the XbsX NVME loads a current gen game. Time for that second cup of coffee
Clearly there is a large discrepancy between that State of Decay loading example and what the paper specs suggest would be possible. Must be those pesky bottlenecks!
jimbojim
Banned
You and intelligent conversation can't be in the same line. Also i'm not better either in some cases.
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Moridianae
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I think they'll continue to just throw out tidbits of information and see if Microsoft announces their event. If Microsoft doesn't go for anything by Friday, I think they'll commit to the 9th event.
No way that passes by with nothing, but..been a lot of nothing this year so far haha.
No way that passes by with nothing, but..been a lot of nothing this year so far haha.
sircaw
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have you been out on parole or something, your not working from one of those prison businesses are you.
It's good your back and yes unfortunately it continues. We are now on 10 pages of how evil a couple of seconds load times are, transition, and all. always something to bitch about.
hemo memo
Gold Member
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
OS was stupid lite and it flew on even basic hardware. But this was created during the Balmer era and their strategy just wasn't great.
TheGreatWhiteShark
Member
I am just basing my speculation on what we have seen.I really think you should wait till you can KNOW how long loading it taking. You have developers saying less than a second and there is NO WAY you can tell actual loading times or when loading is even happening, from these videos. Speculation sure...but you're going way beyond speculation here and representing it as FACT. That's just not possible. Don't be the one in denial.
It is more of a denial to say that on astrobot loading times are big because the developers wanted us to look at the ....tunnel (I can provide quotation on that)
or that insomniac while being the frontrunner for ps5 SSD, intentionally bloats up the loading times because ...artistic reasons (I can also provide quotation for this too)
Setsuna Mudou
Member
So why wasn't it shown? I mean, this is not a behind closed doors video that someone bootlegged out of Redmond here. It was an official MS publicity stunt, with the purpose of showing the "fast" loading and contrast it with current gen.
Why would you think they would give themselves anything but the best possible conditions to impress us, their potential clients?
So, it's either:
a) really complex to compress / decompress, etc, the data and they didn't have time/resources to do it at the time of this demo, or
b) maybe this is as good as it gets even with all the marketing BS of velocity architecture and you're hyping a dream (like the cloud last gen)
Btw I used the complexity argument because you pretty much implied it by referring to a new API that requires more code to be written to take advantage of this. From what I remember the games shown (or at least several) were MS first party games, so how hard would it be for them to write whatever code they needed to show us this amazing speed?
Also, what sort of amazing textures were these games loading that you need this much compression? State of Decay? PUBG? For real...
thurnishaleygw
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Timecode is totally a thing. It has its origins in cinema, where it was basically used to be able to quickly find a specific frame in the timeline so it would be easier to edit and so on.
It's usually 8 digits; hours:minutes:seconds:frames / 00:00:00:00
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