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Insider Matt from Reeee on Sony Bought Exclusivity Deals
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pixelation
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There are "insiders" and there are actual insiders with a track record to back them up, you really can't just brush it off. The two main insiders saying the same thing have a pretty damn good track record.
I for one await for the bombs to start dropping... *squints at the sky*
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pixelation
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...Unless you buy a PS5 maybe?
Its a matter of perspective. The games were always coming to PS5, Sony is just paying to punish people who do not want to pay for their new system.
Paracelsus
Member
There's three major ways to moneyhat a company:
1. You go to them, pay and they make a game you want (Bloodborne, Infinite Undiscovery, Lost Odyssey, Spiderman)
2. You go to them, they already have the game development going, and you cockblock the rival's version with money (Vesperia).
3. The developer trusts you as market leader and will just give you the game as exclusive anyway (Persona)
The fourth is minor, and it happens when you don't have the pull to get the full game to yourself, so you try to steal content from the competition to make the other versions of the game worse in comparison (GTAIV DLC on 360)
When Microsoft went to Namco, they stole Vesperia from Sony, they didn't pay to make the game. The game was always happening. They funded the localization and use it to block PS3 from ever getting the game in the west.
When Microsoft went to Square, they got to fund Infinite Undiscovery, it was made for them especially, then stole Star Ocean 4 from PS3 using IU as leverage.
REmake was at the very least partly funded by Nintendo, as were RE0 and Twin Snakes. Bayonetta 2 was resurrected by Nintendo.
Sony is doing a number two pun intended
If Microsoft retires then Sony automatically has a monopoly, Nintendo objectively does not count.
1. You go to them, pay and they make a game you want (Bloodborne, Infinite Undiscovery, Lost Odyssey, Spiderman)
2. You go to them, they already have the game development going, and you cockblock the rival's version with money (Vesperia).
3. The developer trusts you as market leader and will just give you the game as exclusive anyway (Persona)
The fourth is minor, and it happens when you don't have the pull to get the full game to yourself, so you try to steal content from the competition to make the other versions of the game worse in comparison (GTAIV DLC on 360)
When Microsoft went to Namco, they stole Vesperia from Sony, they didn't pay to make the game. The game was always happening. They funded the localization and use it to block PS3 from ever getting the game in the west.
When Microsoft went to Square, they got to fund Infinite Undiscovery, it was made for them especially, then stole Star Ocean 4 from PS3 using IU as leverage.
REmake was at the very least partly funded by Nintendo, as were RE0 and Twin Snakes. Bayonetta 2 was resurrected by Nintendo.
Sony is doing a number two pun intended
If Microsoft retires then Sony automatically has a monopoly, Nintendo objectively does not count.
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tryDEATH
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Fanboyism really, you and your cronies are out here white knighting Sony likes its family. I dont know whos faster with making up excuses for the multitude of straight garbage position you fanboys or that PS5 SSD.
Buying games to support developers is never a bad thing. Plus they never said that the DLC wasn't free.
Spider-Man Is Coming to Marvel's Avengers as a PlayStation Exclusive - IGN
Spider-Man is coming to Marvel's Avengers as a free DLC, exclusively for PlayStation.www.ign.com
"In a new PlayStation Blog post, Marvel’s Avengers confirmed that Spider-Man will be added to the playable roster in early 2021 “at no additional cost” to anyone who owns the base game. As previously leaked, Spider-Man will be exclusive to PlayStation owners."
As you can see Spiderman is free exclusive DLC for the PlayStation version if Marvel Avengers. I don't see why DLC can't be free for other games.
Also not every game comes to gamepass. You still have to pay for alot of them.
Your literally buying DLC thats marketed as a next gen titles in Spiderman.
Tell me more about that PS5 Digital which will be cheaper and more popular console from the Sony offerings and how "real" ownership works on there please. Lmfao
Texas Pride
Banned
You drive by but didn't counter my argument much. I like you only know what they make public. But a resounding success wouldn't be hidden in the financials. Where are all these people paying full price for Gamepass? Please enlighten me.
MasterCornholio
Member
Did you even read the article?
Spider-Man Is Coming to Marvel's Avengers as a PlayStation Exclusive - IGN
Spider-Man is coming to Marvel's Avengers as a free DLC, exclusively for PlayStation.
"In a new PlayStation Blog post, Marvel’s Avengers confirmed that Spider-Man will be added to the playable roster in early 2021 “at no additional cost” to anyone who owns the base game."
This is what you said.
1. The game is called Marvel Avengers
2. The Spiderman DLC for that game is free so nobody will pay for it.
And if your talking about Miles Morales.
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Insomniac confirms Spider-Man: Miles Morales is a standalone PS5 game
It’s not an expansion or a remaster.
www.theverge.com
It's a stand alone PS5 game that doesn't require Insomniacs Spiderman game. So essentially you don't need to pay for the original to play Miles Morales.
So what are you talking about?
Klayzer
Member
He's throwing fanboy shit at the wall as usual. His posts leaves a trail of dung right back to his toxic green troll overpass.Did you even read the article?
Spider-Man Is Coming to Marvel's Avengers as a PlayStation Exclusive - IGN
Spider-Man is coming to Marvel's Avengers as a free DLC, exclusively for PlayStation.
"In a new PlayStation Blog post, Marvel’s Avengers confirmed that Spider-Man will be added to the playable roster in early 2021 “at no additional cost” to anyone who owns the base game."
This is what you said.
1. The game is called Marvel Avengers
2. The Spiderman DLC for that game is free so nobody will pay for it.
And if your talking about Miles Morales.
Insomniac confirms Spider-Man: Miles Morales is a standalone PS5 game
It’s not an expansion or a remaster.
It's a stand alone PS5 game that doesn't require Insomniacs Spiderman game. So essentially you don't need to pay for the original to play Miles Morales.
So what are you talking about?
SirTerry-T
Member
It's different when the studio in question is in danger of going under unless someone buys that studio. If Sony had brought NT, would you have expected them to be a multi-platform Dev? Of course not.
These exclusivity deals are being offered to devs who don't need that financial bail out.
It's not about keeping a studio afloat but offering studios sweeteners to make sure any of their games in development are locked to a certain system for "X" amount of time.
Don't really get why people think the two situations are the same, really.
Ar¢tos
Member
It's a way to fight spec differences, maybe a bit of an overkill if they got deals with every big 3rd party considering what MS has shown so far (or not shown, like games running on devkits).
They will divide players between wanting to play the best version of 3rd party games (even if the difference is not big) or wanting to play it when it's trending or playing the most content complete version.
They only need to keep this running the first couple of years to lock that into the brand perception and win the gen with bigger marketshare than without the deals.
They will divide players between wanting to play the best version of 3rd party games (even if the difference is not big) or wanting to play it when it's trending or playing the most content complete version.
They only need to keep this running the first couple of years to lock that into the brand perception and win the gen with bigger marketshare than without the deals.
MrFunSocks
Banned
Why do you assume the PS5 games were running on actual retail hardware in real time?
There’s a 99.99% chance that they weren’t btw. They would also have been pc.
vivftp
Member
Sony explicitly noted everything after GTA5 in their presentation was running on PS5 hardware. Devkits would also count as PS5 hardware.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Ok, so we can expect HB2 on PS5 or will MS remove HB series from PlayStation consoles?
... I agree that competition can bring these kind of nasty battles, not al good you see, but the funny part is people climbing onto glass trying to find neigh invisible and mostly extremely surface deep differences and magnifying them into something that actually matters 
.Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Because it was explicitly stated for all of them, but this is mostly another case of “Sony Too
” AND you know it... 99% chance Sony lied and all those games were actually running on PC based on what MS pulled at the last show? Is that all the evidence you got?
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Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Generally, valid for Sony, Apple, and Nintendo too, if you are in the digital ecosystem buying games digitally they already stripped you of ownership. Games can be removed from users libraries, games cannot be resold, etc... Netflix style services just push even more, much more, in that direction and help devalue the cost of games in users minds as they get accustomed to a stream of content (quantity first) to keep them subbed and get more and more accustomed not to pay for each single game (welcome to more and more F2P/GaaS mechanics to extract money out of engaged players).
Leyasu
Banned
What Matt? Mr one line vague statement. Could you list me some of his correct predictions please? Because I can't remember one.
Your avatar, where does that come from?
Leyasu
Banned
How much do you think that has cost Sony?
BlueXImpulse
Banned
#PlaystationAdvantage
SoraNoKuni
Member
Unfortunately for any non casual PS5 and PC are the only platforms right now, gamepass, ehm I mean xbox can become the new hop in to play a few minutes and leave thing, It's not bad but it's certainly not for the traditional gamer that wants a unique experience, though I could imagine myself subscribing for one month when avowed launches if it's on gamepass and then not touching gamepass again until a new exclusive happens, the rest of the games are filler quality for me.
Apollo Helios
Member
To people who are flipping out over this; I got a video response:
Boi you've been asking' for it, now you got it! Be a better rival!
Boi you've been asking' for it, now you got it! Be a better rival!
Apollo Helios
Member
Oh I can't believe I forgot to add this gem:
www.playstationlifestyle.net
aaaand one more for the road
Xbox Head Says Next-Gen Exclusives are 'Completely Counter to What Gaming is About,' Argues Cross-Gen Releases Don't Hold Back Games - PlayStation LifeStyle
Xbox head Phil Spencer has stated that next-gen exclusives are "completely counter to what games are about" and that "gaming is bigger than one device."
www.playstationlifestyle.net
aaaand one more for the road
Explosive Zombie
Banned
If it causes this much chaos prior to anyone EVEN KNOWING what the games are what can we expect when they're announced?
thelastword
Banned
This is not desperation, this is business. Desperation is if you only sold 20-40 million consoles and pretty much all your first party games flopped in sales and reviews. You would have to combat that somehow. Sony on the other hand is just laying more bricks on Fort Knox, in essence ensuring even more success after probably their best generation. It's what you call, not sitting on your laurels and going all out.....
Funny enough you like all the games MS has a marketing deal with or which are timed-exclusive to Series X. CP2077 will be enjoyed on PC and PS as well regardless of platform, I just hope CDPR does not gimp the PS5 version as they did the PS4 version of Witcher 3. I don't think the medium or ascent will be as good as you think, especially the medium. There will be much better games for horror. Quantum Error looks much more impressive and of course RE8, Silent Hill are much higher calibre horror games to look forward to, but Quantum error has so much atmosphere, I'm looking forward to it more than medium and Scorn. I think Scorn looks good though, but the gameplay I saw of it was much too slow for that type of genre. Again, it's not going to light Meta on fire, there will be much better games in the very genre, tonnes of heavy weights too, especially when rumor has it that Team Siren is on the prowl with another Siren.I don't know what games Sony has exclusive deals with besides Avengers which I never had any interest in. I know Xbox has the marketing for Cyberpunk and I believe also Valhalla the only 2 upcoming 3rd parties I really interested in and plan to buy. I've also heard they have Elden Ring. I don't like From Software games, but it is another big game.
Sony can go buy up a bunch of 3rd party timed exclusives or meaningless extra content. It will have no effect on me, I'll be tied up for many months with Halo, CP2077, Valhalla and all the Xbox 3rd party exclusives like The Medium, Ascent, Scorn etc.
I am bummed I'll miss out on Volcano High though.
At least Volcano High knows what game it wants to be, so we can expect to see the game sometime soon. Rare does not even know what Everwild is going to be yet...
It's funny people spoke all types of mess when GTA5 was shown first on PS's show, they laughed, they scorned. Yet, the basic things they took for granted. GTA is still in most top 5 sales lists everywhere worldwide, how is that for sales longevity, impact and staying power. Sony knows which girl in the room to pursue........
GTA 5 is still a better looking game than many next gen games I've seen from a recent showcase. They are going to improve the graphics even more for the remaster, maybe less pop-in due to the SSD too, improved textures, less to no stutter......And as I said, a GTA6 built ground up with PS5 technology, would be absolutely bonkers. Sony is simply going for the kill, in essence, they will have all the top players. Their First Party is the best and they would have the best third party games as well.....
TheGreatWhiteShark
Member
let's see first what sony moneyhatted for ps5, and then I will talk to Phil offering my suggestionsOk, so we can expect HB2 on PS5 or will MS remove HB series from PlayStation consoles?
and sometime later you will know too
p.s. I find it really funny how some of you say "it was previously planned for playstation" for games like psychonauts 2, as if for whatever sony moneyhatted, the plan was to be time-exclusive all along.
talk about climbing on glass...
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thelastword
Banned
Oh I can't believe I forgot to add this gem:
Xbox Head Says Next-Gen Exclusives are 'Completely Counter to What Gaming is About,' Argues Cross-Gen Releases Don't Hold Back Games - PlayStation LifeStyle
Xbox head Phil Spencer has stated that next-gen exclusives are "completely counter to what games are about" and that "gaming is bigger than one device."
aaaand one more for the road
I thought Phil said he hated exclusives....
TheGreatWhiteShark
Member
Nope, they opened their show with their biggest money-earner, wanting to reassure playstation players that they can keep on buying them Shark Cash Cards microtransactions
duh
c'mon, assemble for the advantage
Ar¢tos
Member
He also said that X1 wouldn't hold back next-gen and that Halo Infinite was being made with XSX in mind and we saw how that turned out...
TheGreatWhiteShark
Member
you probably need a new display to see it, since it's 120hz
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Zato
Banned
No, they are paying to make their console have an advantage over another ...... it's called business.
Grow up.
Also if the reports are to be believed, MS where out in the market as well .... Sony simply outbid them according to the reports. So those games might not have come to PS5.
Its the reality of the business and I am glad the platform I choose to support is doing its best to insure more choice and better games come out on that console.
Thirty7ven
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Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Phil will say whatever you want him to say and then do that and the opposite and say that meant to do neither, etc...
Why do you assume that timed exclusive deals doesn't help fund development?
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Thicc Enigma
Member
Because to the uninformed, one excludes the other every time. Also they sit at conference calls with Sony.
mejin
Member
I agree with this in part. If you start strong it will be easier later. I would say there is already a gigantic gap in brand perception and mindshare in favour of playstation.
MS has an incredible difficult task to attract new consumers, outside those who are already fan of xbox. They should really work their PR to attract new people to their ecosystem, but their PR is too stupid to do it...they focus on give baits to the toxic community instead. The crazy thing is that they want services to shine and the hardcore community isn't even the public they want to reach.
There is no problem if XSX is stronger on paper. We already had One X way more powerful than Pro and this didn't move the needle, after all is said and done people just remember RDR2 as a multi really that really was better on X. Playstation continued to sell more softwares and now, One X is dead and Pro still kicking even if a year older.
So, this is more like a possible message from Sony saying "if you want something really tailored for a traditional gamer" PS5 is THE option. No time for bullshits, no time for talk, here are all the games and/or the advantages if you choose PS5.
IMHO it is not that MS didn't want to get the big 3rd part devs and publishers, but I think if Sony, for example, offered $100...MS would need to put way more to compensate the fact Xbox has not a worldwide reach like Playstation. So, it is best to focus on indies and smaller devs.
Werewolfgrandma
Banned
Look at the last gen release. Sony didn't have much for about a year while ms had a good variety of games at launch. But in that situation everyone said they were going PS4 because it was more powerful. Times sure have changed. To the other point though. You are making a vs scenario where I just like games and feel neither showed me any reason to buy either at launch since neither have showed much of actual gameplay.
Hezekiah
Banned
Yeah because Halo seems to have had a troubled development and was running on PC, in discussions I've had with him he seems to say everything else must be aswell.
I'm sure on Microsoft's side it also relates to trying to support multiple platforms, so they use comparatively specced PCs, but Sony seem to be ahead of them in this regard by capturing game footage actually running on PS5.
Werewolfgrandma
Banned
I currently don't have an Xbox and have base PS4 and PC. I've mainly been playing WiiU games on my PC lately because I've been in a Nintendo mood but don't want to Buy a switch. I buy the best product at whatever price range I'm spending. I have zero brand loyalty. The only thing that will keep me with a brand is if they have the best warranty. I haven't had the same brand phone for my last 6. This thread is about Sony spending a bunch on timed exclusives, not ms buying a studio. If it was about MS doing that I would have the same replies. Seriously change games to food and brands to countries and you can see what I'm talking about. Again especially since most of the time the game is basically made for the other console and it just sits there because someone paid for you not to release it.You think Sony is the one falling on it's sword right now?
This is all just playing at semantics. You think Microsoft buying Ninja Theory doesn't result in "investing in keeping games away from not my players"? Talk about needing to engage in linguistic/mental gymnastics.
I'll never understand the whole "it's different when my favorite person/brand does it." It's all the same
thelastword
Banned
I've been hearing that from a few of you....What did MS have at launch that was so good?
Lococyle, Ryse, Crimson Dragon, Dead Rising 3, Zumba Fitness, Zoo Tycoon. Fighter Within, Powerstar Golf.....? Killer Instinct is a joke compared to Mortal Kombat or even Injustice and Forza 5 was a Microtransaction mess.......I would take Infamous, Shadowfall, DC Knack, Contrast, Warframe and Resogun over that launch any day.......You guys really remembered a different launch than everybody else, besides Sony had Sound Shapes and Flower Remastered at launch too...
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Werewolfgrandma
Banned
Infamous came out 6 months later but was great. Ki was good even if it was 720p. And Forza I enjoyed and didn't spend a penny. Knack was trash, didn't like resogun. Both launches were weak but most agreed Xbox was a bit better.
Entroyp
Member
LoL this is exactly why until recently I was under the impression Xbox made more money than PlayStation. Then I actually started paying attention to the earning calls instead of forums.
MasterCornholio
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You got proof of that? We are all waiting for it BTW. Also plenty of realtime footage was confirmed by Digital Foundry in the event with their tech analysis.
Games with actual gameplay like Ratchet and Clank, Kena, Astrobot, BugSnax and Gran Turismo was shown that there.
Alot more than your 99.9% right?
If you can't prove this then just accept that it was a pro consumer moves to show games running off the PS5.
Because it was explicitly stated for all of them, but this is mostly another case of “Sony Too
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Werewolfgrandma
Banned
You guys don't remember the tomb Raider timed exclusive drama do you? MS did it that time so it was exactly opposite to this thread.It would break the narrative they crowdsourced together
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