harry mason 1989
Banned
I think only ps1 third-party games had pc ports
I don't remember any first party released on pc
Or maybe I'm wrong
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Sony CEO Jim Ryan says fans shouldn't expect to see PS5 exclusives launch on PC day one.
I don't remember any first party released on pc
Or maybe I'm wrong
PharaoTutAnchAmun
Member
O come on Pc gamers calling consolegamers consolepeasents so is that also unironical?
It is what it is, you guys are doing the same....
Puscifer
Member
It's a symbiotic relationship and I'm here for it tbhThank you PC gamers for subsidizing single player bangers on the ps5
I can play day 1 on PS5 and double dip later for stuff I wanna play later on PC like Returnal.
Puscifer
Member
I think anyone who goes into peasants or master race shit needs to probably stop playing games personally.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Owning Windows does not do them any good.
They put their games on Steam and get the same 70% revenue as any other publisher does, e.g., Sony, SquareEnix, Capcom, EA, Take Two, Devolver, Annapuran, Focus, etc.
The main reason why Microsoft put their games day one on PC was because of the low Xbox One sales and userbase. The games were not selling enough copies -- the same reason why they started Game Pass in the first place.
Both these strategies made sense.
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Buggy Loop
Member
What the hell, why 7 pages over this tidbit of information?
bender
What time is it?
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
That’s exactly what we’re doing.
Playstation exclusives aren’t a must have thing for the majority of PC gamers. They’re another solid AAA third party release among others. When they come, they come.
Guilty_AI
Member
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
What the hell, why 7 pages over this tidbit of information?
You know why.
DownLikeBCPowder
Member
Definitely the right course of action IMO. Nothing wrong with porting to PC but if you are trying to sell proprietary hardware, it's a pretty dumb idea to day 1 launch on multi platform.
Guilty_AI
Member
FIREKNIGHT2029
Member
Misery loves company.Holy shit
"Please do what Xbox is doing that is causing them to fail in the console space"
Tams
Member
Elder Legend
Banned
That is the biggest and most obvious lie ever. Remeber when he said "We believe in generations"? Yeah...only a matter of time. They're saying that now cause it's convienet it.
Come PS6, I wouldn't be surprised if it's all day 1.
Come PS6, I wouldn't be surprised if it's all day 1.
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nightmare-slain
Member
Of course because it'd give people less of a reason to buy a PS5. I'm happy to wait for PC ports. I don't see the point in buying a PS5 just like I don't see a point in buying an Xbox. The games I care about will come to PC at some point. Why should I drop £450-500 on a console if the games are coming to PC? Not that Playstation has any games I'm excited about. The only games that would convince me to get a PS5 are FFVII Rebirth, Persona 6, or GTA VI. Final Fantasy and Persona will come to PC at some point but I can't wait for them. GTA VI isn't even a PS exclusive but Rockstar always seems to release their PC versions about a year later.
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Moriarty1889
Member
I commend Jim for having the guts to double down on this. Why devalue your console and brand? Just look at Xbox and Phil and what a dumpster fire that whole situation has turned into. Sad but true.
Guilty_AI
Member
And its all GAAS
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
That's why reading his full interview and especially the sentences before and after are important.
"We have always said that we believe in generations ... We have always felt that we had a responsibility to serve that [PS4] community for several years after the launch of PS5 and that it represented a huge business opportunity for us," Ryan says. "The numbers are quite straightforward. If you say in broad brush figures that we have a community of 100 million PS4 owners right now, and in the first couple of years... I don't know, somewhere between 15 and 25 million might migrate to PS5, that still leaves a huge number of people with PS4s."
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
i mean whens the last time you heard us call you guys console peasants
maybe back in 2020? we got our own problems to worry about
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
do you really think it's the PC + Xbox thing that's making them fail.... or the declining quality of Xbox AAA games as a whole? Like come on, if Redfall were Xbox exclusive with no PC release, do you think it would be selling consoles??
Even if Sony made their shit day + date on PC, or under a year on PC that wouldn't stop the PS sales. Hell, the TOTK leaks didn't prevent 10 million sold in 3 days
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of course it would effect console sales, if you take away the main selling point of your console. duh
also there are probably like 100 people in total, that knows how to run TOTK leak on an emulator.
what a stupid example
Mibu no ookami
Member
This makes me think Sony is moving toward profitability on PS5 hardware to the point where they really don't want any erosion due to their support of PC. They want those active users on the PS5 ecosystem as much as possible.
I think it means that the PS5 is probably selling better than Sony expected it to. I think we might see some slowdown of PC support for games like Spider-Man 2. Probably looking at 2025 at the earliest.
I think it means that the PS5 is probably selling better than Sony expected it to. I think we might see some slowdown of PC support for games like Spider-Man 2. Probably looking at 2025 at the earliest.
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
they make videos that gain thousands of views on how to optimize performance for the game on Steam Deck.... Linus is one of the biggest PC channels and he's made multiple videos detailing how to emulate all sorts of consoles including Switch. All of them getting millions of views.
Stop the cap
Guilty_AI
Member
The main selling point of the next gen consoles is convenience.
If ps5 lived or died by its exclusive catalog, it would dead dead Jim.
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GHG
Gold Member
I think the whole intention is to treat them like second class citizens while treating the people who purchase their console hardware (which is very much what their business model is) like first class citizens.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
so you think there are millions of people playing totk on emulator? no its not even 10k i can assure you.
tell that to phill. sounds like he can use some of your expertise
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Guilty_AI
Member
have you seem the amount of call of duty players
Guilty_AI
Member
He doesn't need my expertise, his business is doing just fine
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GHG
Gold Member
Honestly, I don't think they care. They don't get anything from the sales of games they don't publish on the platform or from peripherals sold that aren't their own. Sales of PC games are bonus money to them and if you look at what Nintendo are doing they are doing spectacularly well while avoiding PC entirely.
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lol, good one clown.
unfortunately you just have to sit and wait for your pc releases
ZehDon
Gold Member
Sony opened pandora's box when it followed Microsoft's lead into PC. Their shareholders will eventually question why their PC efforts are pulling in smaller numbers to other comparable PC releases. Late, buggy, and overpriced isn't a good answer. Nintendo keeping its games exclusive to console avoids this entirely. Sony's trying to have its cake and eat it too. As I see it, it's just a matter of time before they go Day 1 to get more full price PC sales to keep their shareholders happy.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
Have you seen the word "convenience" used to sell consoles?
GHG
Gold Member
First bolded section - true
As for the second bolded section - there have been at least 6 earnings calls since Sony outlined and embarked on this strategy. There have been multiple opportunities for the largest shareholders to question it (or even outline distaste) and it is yet to happen.
Sony can simply point to their competitor as an example of why it (day one) might not yield such positive results for them, there is high risk of cannibalisation for their console business.
I can only speak for myself, but as long as Microsoft continue to do day 1 PC ports there is zero chance I will ever own another xbox (right now I'm not even bothering to buy many of their games on PC, but that's another issue entirely). I keep my PS5 around for the exclusives I want to play when they release and I just purchased a Switch for TOTK. Who gets the least amount of money from me here? Who has the least amount of potential revenue from me as a customer moving forwards?
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Eotheod
Member
I apologise to anyone I offended with my use of the word cunt, my Australian in me gets the better of my discussions unfortunately. I also agree that obviously those with PS5's want to experience great content, and so definitely should do. I hope they enjoy them, and look forward to if they come out on PC.
I still very much disagree with the thought process that releasing on PC is detrimental to a console platform. PC gaming is a niche that requires expensive technical know-how, and so I see it more as a way to bolster sales then drawing sales down. I don't believe releasing a game on PS5 and PC would suddenly reduced the worth of the PlayStation and cause people to rush out spending $2k plus on a computer.
I still very much disagree with the thought process that releasing on PC is detrimental to a console platform. PC gaming is a niche that requires expensive technical know-how, and so I see it more as a way to bolster sales then drawing sales down. I don't believe releasing a game on PS5 and PC would suddenly reduced the worth of the PlayStation and cause people to rush out spending $2k plus on a computer.
TheKremlinBossMan
Banned
Wouldn't make any sense to release the PS5 and PC version at the same time. Detracts from the console version and their main target audience. Id expect it about 3 to 6 months later. The excuse will be we did the PS5 version first and now need to optimize for PC.
Guilty_AI
Member
Yes. "Pick up and play", "comfy couch", "no tinkering" and all that shit.
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Guilty_AI
Member
Its true. The only ones who don't think so are the warriors who keep the "win the gen" mentality. They don't have to win anything, they just have to have a good business, and their xbox division has grown quite a bit from the Xone generation.
Sony has to release games first.
yeah must be why he was crying to cameras last time I've seen him.
oh right! playstation has no games! is sony finally doomed (again)?!
captainpat
Member
I feel like the vast majority pc mains that want ps5 exclusives at launch probably already bought a ps5 to go with their pcs
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Guilty_AI
Member
You didn't see him, you read a melodramatic headline with no context and drew conclusions.
Seems you completely forgot my original point
Captain Toad
Banned
Not releasing enough good games?
Wastelander92
Member
So they're getting your money?
nah im pretty sure ive seen him cry to the cameras
happens when you try to add irrelevant "gotcha"s as empty replies
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point is you will have to wait extra couple years to play ps exclusives on your pc
seems to be the logical business conclusion that (showed by data) works for them.
unlike whatever ms is trying to do which, (again by data) collapsing their console business and cementing their third place status.
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sendit
Member
ChatGPT
input:
make up a funny bullshit story about how selling your PS5 back means you aren't giving Sony any money initially
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In the far-off lands of the Internet, there was an enterprising gamer who went by the name SantaC. SantaC was known far and wide for his love of the Final Fantasy series, and a peculiar belief that he never gave money to Sony, despite his actions often suggesting otherwise.
As the release date of Final Fantasy XVI approached, SantaC was filled with anticipation and a tinge of frustration. You see, FF16 was only to be released on the PS5, a console made by Sony. SantaC, with a misguided sense of financial trickery, was convinced that he could game the system.
"I will buy the PS5 and play FF16," SantaC told his fellow gamers on a streaming platform. "Then I'll sell it! Sony won't get a single cent from me!"
And so, SantaC went out and bought a brand new PS5 from a local gaming shop. He then purchased FF16, played it to his heart's content, savouring every minute of it. Once he'd had his fill, he packed up the PS5 and listed it for sale on a popular online marketplace.
Soon enough, a keen buyer snapped it up. SantaC, quite pleased with his quick sale, proudly told his friends, "See? I sold the console. Sony didn't get my money!"
His friends, bemused and slightly confused, decided not to burst his bubble. After all, they knew that when SantaC had purchased the PS5, he had indirectly given money to Sony. But they also knew that SantaC had a peculiar way of seeing the world. A world where he could buy a PS5, play FF16, sell the console, and still believe that he hadn't given Sony any money.
His friends chuckled, shook their heads, and let SantaC revel in his supposed victory. Meanwhile, in the corporate offices of Sony, no one was the wiser of the strange logic of a dedicated, if not slightly deluded, Final Fantasy fan.
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