ScarletSpider
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Neil Druckmann has being getting transphobic, homophobic, anti-Semitic messages
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I sure hope Neil makes another sequel that will rile up these manbabies further. It will be great to see how lowet they can go with another critically acclaimed and top selling game with diverse characters and controversial twists.
Excited to see what happens to the characters, but it will probably be another 7 years.
Excited to see what happens to the characters, but it will probably be another 7 years.
MrS
Banned
Countless media properties do it. Avengers does it every film, nobody complains. It's done to preserve the story. I have no issue with it and it doesn't bother me. If you think it's egregious lying, that's your opinion and I respect it but I disagree with you.
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Reassuming for those who want to follow this pearl of thread, we have:
-Druckmann said something probably stupid, deserve insults and death threats;
-it's absolutely normal receive death threats, like see penis in the chatrooms, maybe in order to grow as a person;
-it's ok to send death threats, most of them are only jokes. Death threats and insults are jokes;
And I'm still waiting for someone to post the unrepeatable insults to the game community from Druckmann interviews/twitter/games so I can change my mind and insult him as well.
-Druckmann said something probably stupid, deserve insults and death threats;
-it's absolutely normal receive death threats, like see penis in the chatrooms, maybe in order to grow as a person;
-it's ok to send death threats, most of them are only jokes. Death threats and insults are jokes;
And I'm still waiting for someone to post the unrepeatable insults to the game community from Druckmann interviews/twitter/games so I can change my mind and insult him as well.
MrTroubleMaker
Member
What do you expect, you do the same and don't expect reciprocation.... it is the internet after all. 
When has Druckmann ever been hateful towards anybody? He made a game that has polarized opinions but that is his right to do.What do you expect, you do the same and don't expect reciprocation.... it is the internet after all.
Dabaus
Banned
Absolutely this but also I bet sales have fallen off a cliff now that the game is out in the wild and world of mouth is getting around. Would t surprise me is this is a PR stunt to garner attention for the game, also wouldn’t be shocked if some of those comments are “fake” in the sense that it allows druckmann to play the victim here.
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
I'm reading the thread for fun over at the cancer site. Some of the comments, which are incredibly ironic:
"Anonymity on the Internet was a mistake"
"I've already replied to Neil's tweet, but Christ the comments being thrown at him. How can people write that..."
"Sony should find out these peoples PSN and ban them into oblivion"
"FUCK those hateful piece of shit assholes."
And my favorite:
"Gamers are a mistake. This’s fucking embarrassing. How can people get this angry over a freaking video game."
It didn't take long for them to forget about Ion Fury where these cucks were all over the place shitting all over it.
"Anonymity on the Internet was a mistake"
"I've already replied to Neil's tweet, but Christ the comments being thrown at him. How can people write that..."
"Sony should find out these peoples PSN and ban them into oblivion"
"FUCK those hateful piece of shit assholes."
And my favorite:
"Gamers are a mistake. This’s fucking embarrassing. How can people get this angry over a freaking video game."
It didn't take long for them to forget about Ion Fury where these cucks were all over the place shitting all over it.
wordslaughter
Banned
I bet if you search ANYONE on Twitter who has a large following you'd see that nasty comments are the normal background noise - every single day.
Druckman knows this, and he's not losing even one second of sleep over any of those comments. He's USING THEM.
Now he gets to be the victim, use it as a shield and lump any legitimate criticism of his game in with "hate speech" and "toxic gamers"
And we have people ITT going along with it like they were born yesterday and just discovered the Internet.
Druckman knows this, and he's not losing even one second of sleep over any of those comments. He's USING THEM.
Now he gets to be the victim, use it as a shield and lump any legitimate criticism of his game in with "hate speech" and "toxic gamers"
And we have people ITT going along with it like they were born yesterday and just discovered the Internet.
Sales have not fallen off a cliff. It is still number one almost everywhere.
These are not just people's views though. These are people being hateful scum instead of just criticizing a video game. There is a difference.
LaughingStock
Member
Had he somehow offended the woke cult he would be receiving the same hate from the other side. Death threats and all. And on top of that they would try to get him canceled.
This is not ok either way. It is wrong. But that's the nature of the beast.
He made a game with the purpose of being divisive. You reap what you sow.
This is not ok either way. It is wrong. But that's the nature of the beast.
He made a game with the purpose of being divisive. You reap what you sow.
He did not make it with the purpose of being divisive. He told the story he wanted to tell and knew it would be divisive. It is not his fault if critics can't be civil and decent about it.
Kumomeme
Member
all more reason for him to ignored it than post stuff like this..it will attract more attention from this kind of people..maybe he should take off from twitter for awhile, wait things calm down...and i believe he should expect this coming since he knew the game would be controversional
LaughingStock
Member
Paracelsus
Member
Once again: TLOU2 had no LGBT agenda, that wasn't it.
Anyway, the hidden purpose of any agenda is to lower the standards of the customers and get them to blindly accept whatever you have chosen. That seems good, "respect the author", until you realize that's a tool of control.
If you repeat critics are buzzword A, buzzword B, buzzword C, you associate all criticism with it.
Some people will grow to believe they are virtuous and intellectual by buying whatever the author wants for them, to support the cause.
Sounds familiar? Well, it's because it's what companies do on twitter with slogans and pictures.
There comes a point you can write anything you want, and no matter how bad or stupid, you can deflect on the representation to get away with it.
It's obvious entertainment has been devoid of good ideas for decades, so the best thing they can do is use old brands to prop their new subpar writing, and hide behind agendas.
It can be both the writing being bad and the agenda influencing writing, not always. Star Wars was both.
It's a very effective weapon, because if you repeat it long enough it works without politics. We had a very recent example, but since they couldn't use "sexists" they chose "purists" which sounds similar.
"I'm glad they gave us something completely different than what we asked, otherwise it would've been boring".
And that's why modern entertainment, despite the high scores, is the shits, and this particular era will age like milk.
That's why reddit hated the "consoomer" meme.
As for Angry Joe: he is a movie critic, he has witnessed the industry go through this same exact deal, so of course he can see right through the writing for what they were trying to do.
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The biggest problem with TLOU2 is that nobody has the guts to call out the real agenda behind it, it has become impossible.
Anyway, the hidden purpose of any agenda is to lower the standards of the customers and get them to blindly accept whatever you have chosen. That seems good, "respect the author", until you realize that's a tool of control.
If you repeat critics are buzzword A, buzzword B, buzzword C, you associate all criticism with it.
Some people will grow to believe they are virtuous and intellectual by buying whatever the author wants for them, to support the cause.
Sounds familiar? Well, it's because it's what companies do on twitter with slogans and pictures.
There comes a point you can write anything you want, and no matter how bad or stupid, you can deflect on the representation to get away with it.
It's obvious entertainment has been devoid of good ideas for decades, so the best thing they can do is use old brands to prop their new subpar writing, and hide behind agendas.
It can be both the writing being bad and the agenda influencing writing, not always. Star Wars was both.
It's a very effective weapon, because if you repeat it long enough it works without politics. We had a very recent example, but since they couldn't use "sexists" they chose "purists" which sounds similar.
"I'm glad they gave us something completely different than what we asked, otherwise it would've been boring".
And that's why modern entertainment, despite the high scores, is the shits, and this particular era will age like milk.
That's why reddit hated the "consoomer" meme.
As for Angry Joe: he is a movie critic, he has witnessed the industry go through this same exact deal, so of course he can see right through the writing for what they were trying to do.
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The biggest problem with TLOU2 is that nobody has the guts to call out the real agenda behind it, it has become impossible.
It sounds he told the story he wanted to tell but he knew it would be divisive and made it anyway.
He is also right in the sense that it is better for people to be passionate about something then to be meh which is what would have happened if he just made a safe Ellie and Joel adventure.
He is also right in the sense that it is better for people to be passionate about something then to be meh which is what would have happened if he just made a safe Ellie and Joel adventure.
Again the best way to combat trash is not to wave a flare in front of them and start running like this is Jurassic Park.
Do what you're going to do and let the product do the heavy lifting.
These dipshits have had months of advance notice to curdle their hatred because they felt like your product was calling them out and set to work to undermine everything about it before it even launched. Don't waste time and mindshare on bigoted trash.
Do what you're going to do and let the product do the heavy lifting.
These dipshits have had months of advance notice to curdle their hatred because they felt like your product was calling them out and set to work to undermine everything about it before it even launched. Don't waste time and mindshare on bigoted trash.
thelastword
Banned
Tell me, what exactly is storytelling exempt from. really? Are you not familiar with the renaissance period or the dark ages.....Are you not familiar with history or how cults are formed, it always starts with scripture, impressionable or even truthful or enlightening words, but it never ends there. There is always some zealot or nutter who thinks he must kill in the "name of god" ultimately fueled by some lunacy laden slant.....Yet you never to get to the slant, unless you have gained people's trust, have quoted much scripture and of course having them conform to your dogma's implicitly.
There have been many of these cults where people were brainwashed, many have died in the carnage because of the collateral brain damage and the ensuing moral coil. There have been many of these savage factions; Jim Jones, The Koresh Cult, the Sex Slave Cults, and of the latter, there have been many. One was just exposed a year or two back. Some of these cults are even bigger than you care to name and they exist now....
Also, history is your biggest teacher. How many people died because they did not adhere to Catholicism, they even had their own templars to fight their battles to tear down opposers or protestants. Do you think corruption and killings in Christian circles in the name of Christ are fables....Even Christ was killed and cast away by Christian men, or men who read from the holy writ. Even closer to us, do you know how Bloody Mary got her name? It's really not fables. So like in any modern day faction, they always have some teachings or convictions. Even in the game. Lev said, someone is twisting the Lady's teaching to suit their own wicked end. So it's really not any reality being twisted or some farfetched or unrealistic story angle....
No. these guys need to be exposed. So he should just report it to twitter and they would just sweep it under the rug, as online death threat number 1 million? At some point, these people need to be exposed. More people need to know what's going on, so we can try to expunge such individuals from the platform. If we can see these handles, we can probably trace them in the future when they lay their guard down or we can link to the real persons masking under the guise of anonymity online. These guys have to know, that when you post these things on the W3, someone can always track you down, and it's about high time they start tracking internet bullies, death threaters and online deviants and prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law. I think you would be surprised who these people are...They try to create bot accounts to do this nonsense, but that can still be tracked,,,,
Online bullies have done lots of damage in this world and caused many to commit suicide and enter depression, this needs to stop, examples have to be made. That is why I have a strict policy of people name-calling others online etc.....If you are not going to do it in real life don't do it online. Also look at how so many minorities have received some form of justice because they are exposing their bullies, tormentors and killers everyday through cell phone video. You think if they never did that, anyone including the police and justice system would believe them? You need to expose these people, their handles make sure everybody is aware, that's the only way you are going to get awareness, mass support and strong arm action to arrest these very sick and festering issues......Anybody sick enough to do this online is someone you should be very worried about in his home against his wife/children/girlfriend, his school or church when things don't go his way.....It's a sick mentality and it's because of this lack of tolerance and maturity that often leads to many atrocities.......This Cyber Assassin, death threat BS needs to be dealt with ASAP. Some of these people need to be made an example of....
Revolutionary
Member
Age-old Internet Advice: Don't Feed The Trolls
Neil Druckmann and Laura Bailey: LOOK AT THESE TROLLS
Neil Druckmann and Laura Bailey: LOOK AT THESE TROLLS
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GreyHorace
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Ha ha ha.... You think this will make me sympathize with you Druckmann? Give me a break. I saw this same shit 8 years ago with the Mass Effect 3 ending shitshow and Bioware's whiny response to it. And don't act like this is unique to you. Creative people have been getting hate messages since the beginning. Learn to deal with it or move on.
sid2vicious
Banned
lol hypocrite, nobody is saying it's acceptable, but as long as there are bigots in this world, both sides are in the wrong.
Kiwicha
Member
Again; I'm against the harrasment, I'm jut playing devil's advocate. Many people( I know a couple of them) bought the game blindly. Based on their experience of the first game, the trailers and the 10/10 reviews. And lets be honest, most people who are into gaming are into fun adventures, which is, as far as I know, what they got from the first game. And they feel they didn't get that from the second one.
It would be like buying an expensive movie ticket for a sequel of Shaun of the dead, that showed in the trailers that you're in for 2 hours of Shaun and his friend in a new city. And in the first 10 minutes Shaun is brutally murdered by a mysterious cult. and the rest of the movie is some silly revenge history. I think that as a creator, you have certain responsability with what you are giving to your audience, is not just I'm gonna do want I want.
"We gotta think about the fans" - Mark Hamill
"No" - Rian Jhonson
"Fuck all those who write death threats on twitter" - All of us decent persons.
Shinobitron
Member
Shinobitron
Member
It's really not hard to see it for fucks sakes lol I'm tired of people saying there isn't, that what Neil is all about, he is embedded in this progressive culture, he had Anita give his devs a friggin conference on how women should be represented in games.
You can see it in uncharted 4 and definitely tlou2. Levs story makes no sense in this apocalyptic world. Abbey is a direct representation of what Anita wants in more games.
You can see it in uncharted 4 and definitely tlou2. Levs story makes no sense in this apocalyptic world. Abbey is a direct representation of what Anita wants in more games.
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LGBT simply being a part of a game is no agenda. They are simply given the same weight that a heterosexual couple would have and there is nothing wrong with that. If it is an agenda then maybe the SJWs are right. If people are told that their mere existence in any piece of media is this then I don't blame them for being so militant. I never thought I would have sympathy for SJWs but I do.
M
Macapala
Unconfirmed Member
Ignore this shit and I've you life, Niel...
Why does he think he needs to tell everyone on the internet about this?? By doing this he just encourages these pieces of shit to send more hateful comments because they know it is getting to him.
Why does he think he needs to tell everyone on the internet about this?? By doing this he just encourages these pieces of shit to send more hateful comments because they know it is getting to him.
Shinobitron
Member
Yes it is, it's called forced diversity, it made no sense for the story they're telling.
sevoro
Member
Oh no, I hate this game so much I wanna make a death threat. Look at me I made a death threat my life is sooooooooooooooooooooooooo much better, I feel validated and vindicated because this game sucks, and I want people to know how much it sucks through death threats. I am totally a productive member of society with my new death threat!!!
Hate the game all you want, make spiel about how much it sucks, just don't involve taking the life off another person in any form.
On the agenda note, if you believe there is one, it's because you believe there is one and buy into the whole "arguments" surrounding it (this means it only exists because you want it to exist). I just don't care about LBGT, right wing, or anything like that because it's a fucking game and until I see a scientific study showing me that games have agendas that can influence people to vote in certain ways, I just won't care. I'm not gonna pretend to be smarter than anyone else by having some secret knowledge of the game's "agenda".
Hate the game all you want, make spiel about how much it sucks, just don't involve taking the life off another person in any form.
On the agenda note, if you believe there is one, it's because you believe there is one and buy into the whole "arguments" surrounding it (this means it only exists because you want it to exist). I just don't care about LBGT, right wing, or anything like that because it's a fucking game and until I see a scientific study showing me that games have agendas that can influence people to vote in certain ways, I just won't care. I'm not gonna pretend to be smarter than anyone else by having some secret knowledge of the game's "agenda".
The protagonist is gay and she has a love interest. It makes all the sense for the story they are telling. Nobody would say a word if it was a male protagonist with a woman love interest.
Shinobitron
Member
This is a really bad argument and I am done talking about it, shit some of you on here just want to one up someone to feel better then them.
If you believe it it's just because you want to believe it lol are you kidding me........
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Paracelsus
Member
I've watched the video already.
What I meant was the real agenda of TLOU2 was "quickly get rid of Joel, replace with Abby, spend rest of the game trying to justify his death being deserved while fishing for sympathy for Abby so people want to see her survive and be the new playable protagonist for the rest of the series".
That's all TLOU2 was.
Abby is built like a man (and Colleen Fotsch is built like a man too, that's why they casted her) because they wanted to give a man's gameplay to a woman.
The core of the debate boils down to falling for it vs not falling for it.
Vtecomega
Banned
Fuck him. Zero sympathy. Cuckman and half of naughty dog insulted their fanbase countless of times on twitter simply because people had different political views.
If I recall correctly he told everyone to go fuck themselves and some of the comments he made were simply disgusting. And you fuckers still bought the game....well done.
If I recall correctly he told everyone to go fuck themselves and some of the comments he made were simply disgusting. And you fuckers still bought the game....well done.
sevoro
Member
I'm sorry I thought I was stating my opinion. In fact what's so wrong about this opinion? If you just wanna say "this sucks" and then add nothing off value then I'm sure you're welcome to, but I dare say you just want your voice heard and have the last word.
What exactly is your proof besides someone else stating his opinion on a youtube video?
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Shinobitron
Member
Okay I see your point and that does make sense as well.
Saber
Gold Member
I don't think people find this acceptable. It's just that clowns like you can't accept that people has no obligation to feel any kind of emphaty for people they don't like.
Domisto
Member
Don't let Twitter off the hook so easily. If something is worth reporting to the police and twitter do nothing about it then blast them for it. These people exposed themselves posting publicly. Twitter can easily remove people from the platform. Even if it's not worth getting the police involved then Twitter are still responsible for what goes on their platform. Users arguing amongst themselves is far less effective than holding twitter to account. If twitter don't want to do anything about it then why continue to support them by using it.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
Only low-life trash writes something like that to another human being because of a damn videogame. And yet I have zero empathy for the dude. Funny how that works.
Saber
Gold Member
Twitter is a joke. Its pratically a radical free speech plataform where the punishment relies on reports. If people don't report they probably don't see anything wrong and I'm pretty sure these assholes working on twitter do this on purpose.
Already said that twitter should be accountable for not doing their damn jobs properly.
sevoro
Member
Pretty sure having no empathy for Neil normal and logical, why would anyone feel anything for someone else they don't associate with? But the death threats are just stupid and wrong. It's fine to feel no sympathy or empathy for the guy, just don't hand-wave the death threats as something he deserves.
Paracelsus
Member
They have no problem ruining a person's life for much less than something like death threats.
They actually have, over the past few weeks.
If that's the case how come death threats never lead to doxxing, people getting fired and going to jail?
sevoro
Member
You know this doesn't prove me wrong in any capacity. I mean if being dismissive is automatically considered the right argument then bravo.
