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Twitter Trolls and SlimySnake Go After Neil Druckmann At The Golden Globes
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Darkmakaimura
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I can guess one reason. He supports Israel and that's the big thing nowadays and a big No-No.
Toots
Gold Member
Did you forget the part when slimysnake posted the tweet on Neogaf ?
He adapted the book city of thieves and had all his story beats rewritten by Bruce stralhey because they were shit. He had full control over the second game and it is a bad revenge porn story. The dude from Tchernobyl wrote the emmy winning screenplay let’s not kid ourselves.
Of course my real grief with the guy is the shape of his head, and I would not care about any of this if he looked anything other than a goddam human tic-tac.
blue velvet
Member
Sony devs these days make extremely high production one and done mid games.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Given what I see pertaining to LOU, all I know is whenever someone is mentioned it's Druckmann as if he single handedly did everything. And it's reinforced since he's also the key guy who puts his face out there representing the game.
He's like Kojima. For every game he's made, does any gamer know anyone else in that studio who made the game? Or just his name?
tmlDan
Member
Have you read City of Thieves? It was inspired by it, where did you get this story that Straley adapted it? Why are you and many people in here acting like games are made by one guy, nobody is claiming Neil did everything. It's more that you're all downplaying his contributions, like you were involved in writing and directing it along side the ND team and were in the room when it happened.
Toots
Gold Member
Here’s how i see it : f it’s bad it’s druckmann alone, if it’s good it can be anyone else from his team.
More seriously, your kojima comparison is on point. Those two are lightning rods for all the hate and all the praise of any project they take part in. But Kojima is a HUGE attention whore whereas Druckmann isn’t really (for lack of opportunities ? I don’t know).
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Neil is the narrative director for both games. He basically writes the screenplay, and oversees the mocap and cutscenes. For part 2, he hired Hailey Gross who gets co-writer credit. He gave her full credit for it as they both appeared in the interviews post launch.
Now where it gets iffy is when Bruce Straley gets involved. He was involved in the creation of the IP way back in 2009 after they shipped Uncharted 2 and were told to go and make a new game with a new team. After trying to reboot Jak and Daxter, they settled on TLOU. Bruce has as much to do with this IP as Neil. However, since Neil wrote the screenplay, Bruce was kinda left out even though he had a lot of input on the major story beats.
Hollywood has separate writing credits for situations like this. You get a screenplay credit, AND a separate Story By credit. Bruce would probably get the story credit as a co-writer there. This is basically what Bruce was upset about because when the show went to HBO, Neil claimed sole writing credit of the original when in fact, it was both him and bruce who were told to go create a new game for ND. He was there at the very inception of the franchise.
Topher
Gold Member
Druckmann and Kojima are really no different than many others in the industry who became the face of the studio.
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Toots
Gold Member
Have I read the book ? I translated it in French.
Was I in the room when the discussions happened ? Who do you think brought coffee to the team ?
Where did i get the adaptation story ? Must have read it somewhere online, but i could as easily have pulled it from my ass
im here to have fun and hating on druckmann seems like fun to me, especially with all the seriousness on this topic.plus i believe
SlimySnake
more than my own eyes, have you seen him count the hair on spiderman asscrack in the « fidelity I expect this gen » thread ? Dude has eagle vision, if he says no one took pics of druckmann at the red carpet, then it’s true.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
I think Kojima gets unfair criticism for this stuff. he's like Nolan in that he is involved in everything. he is involved in writing, cutscene direction, game design, so he feels like he should be there for everything.
A lot of directors dont do this. They oversee the project like a project manager. Or they are like Neil, the write the screenplay and maybe supervise the cutscenes. But Kojima really is involved in everything.
he still gives credit to everyone on his team. He's always done this. I remember when MGS4 came out all bloated and shit, people immediately pointed to the absence of his writing partner of the first three games, Fukashima, as the reason why. He was given co-writing credit for the first three games. its just that no one aside from hardcore MGS fanboys know this or cared to look it up.
Here are the credits for Death Stranding. We see several different writers and level designers. its just that no one cares because they only look at the top level credits.
Kojima Productions | |
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Kojima Productions: Level Design Unit | |
| Original Story | |
| Game Design | |
| Writers | |
| Art Director | |
| Character & Mechanical Design | |
| Concept Artists | |
| Casting Direction | |
| Lead Level Designers | |
| Lead Scripter | |
| Level Designers | |
| Game Balance Designer |
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Toots
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Id argue that no one hate miyazaki or miyamoto or kamiya (except maybe twitter trolls for the later), and that balrog seems cool and is always giving credits to his coworker. Only Todd « sweet little lies » Howard really fit the bill… but really you’re right, there always have been polarizing figures, some more than others.Druckmann and Kojima are really no different than many others in the industry who became the face of the studio.
Now can we come back to counting the number of flash per sec in a viral video and argumenting on how Druckmann not being as famous as Taylor Swift is a the definitive proof he wasted his career and will never amount to anything ?
You guys say us haters are bad, but we are definitively more creative in what we say than you with your facts
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Topher
Gold Member
Id argue that no one hate miyazaki or miyamoto or kamiya (except maybe twitter trolls for the later), and that balrog seems cool and is always giving credits to his coworker. Only Todd « sweet little lies » Howard really fit the bill… but really you’re right, there always have been polarizing figures, some more than others.
Now can we come back to counting the number of flash per sec in a viral video and argumenting on how Druckmann not being as famous as Taylor Swift is a the definitive proof he wasted his career and will never amount to anything ?
You guys say us haters are bad, but we are definitively more creative in what we say than you with your facts
I agree. You guys definitely come up with better bullshit.
Windom Earle
Member
Amazing there are people here feeling sorry for Cuckman lmao
Topher
Gold Member
Feeling sorry for one of the few game devs to ever be invited to the Golden Globes?
Toots
Gold Member
Anyone know how many times Kojima went to the golden globes please ? And if he ever went to the oscars ?
I tried to find the answer but I can’t for the life of me, all my search results are polluted by druckmann’s recent misadventure (which means we might have not photographed him, but we are still all talking about him
), and the only red carpet pic I can find is this one at the game awards with Timothée Chalamet looking like a twelve year old who just smoked a spliff
I tried to find the answer but I can’t for the life of me, all my search results are polluted by druckmann’s recent misadventure (which means we might have not photographed him, but we are still all talking about him
), and the only red carpet pic I can find is this one at the game awards with Timothée Chalamet looking like a twelve year old who just smoked a spliff
My guy, are you really comparing him to Taylor swift? They are magnitudes apart in Hollywood.
Angry_Megalodon
Member
BINGO
I'm sure that many of those were cheering for him not so long ago. But hey, being antisemitic is the posturing of the current times. They will love him again when in his next game he supports whatever bullshit is trending by then.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
No, you don't need to paint it that way. People have been on his case pretty much from the time he started commenting on TLoU 2, especially in-light of the leaks.
Hell, you yourself wrote this back in 2020:
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Jigsaah
Gold Member
I liked TLOU2 and the show. I'm probably just not as invested in the characters and story as others are. I mean it sucks what happened to Joel and Abby did feel kind of outta place. Like how do you get that jacked as a woman when resources are scarce?
It's not as good as TLOU1's story, though. Isn't there supposed to be a 3rd entry in the series as well?
I dunno, it's a game...with some obvious social undertones that may be...distasteful to certain individuals. But still...just a game.
I do think the whole inserting your agenda is kinda forced as well. I guess that's why folks are upset.
It's not as good as TLOU1's story, though. Isn't there supposed to be a 3rd entry in the series as well?
I dunno, it's a game...with some obvious social undertones that may be...distasteful to certain individuals. But still...just a game.
I do think the whole inserting your agenda is kinda forced as well. I guess that's why folks are upset.
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Games of Today
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The characters were played by different actors first of all.
Todd Stashwick played Sam and Alan Tudyk played Rafe.
Sam was also going to be a main antagonist along with Rafe. He was going to get revenge on Nate for leaving him behind in the Panamanian Jail.
To me, that's already a worlds better plot than what we got.
Apparently Scotland was the first level as well and Elena and Sully were going to be in the whole game alongside Nate.
There is a cut level in Nate's house where you could cook pasta. There was also going to be a ballroom dancing sequence in the Rossi Estate where Nate would dance with Elena to pickpocket a key.
But basically what ever Neil said or did, along with Bruce Straley (who is not above blame himself), caused Amy, Todd Stashwick and Alan Tudyk to leave.
I like the game we got, A LOT in most levels but I'm a fan of Amy. Neil Druckman designs outstanding gameplay, he's a pretty poor writer.
Toons
Member
No, that's most places. Because that's where anyone knows him from. Because thats what he does.
Peoppe have been bashing him on Twitter for years too because of the game. He posted antisemitic dms and tweets directed to him years ago.
Theres nothing about any of this brigade that has survived against him that has to do with current events. Theyve been at his throat for years. Its pathetic, but thats the reality.
Def. a case of someone who should stick with what they're good at and not try and do anything more. I miss the old Naughty Dog as a whole, growing up with their Crash entries to see what they've become now is kinda saddening. Not all on the studio as Sony has a say but I think TLOU2 was the entry point that made me really letdown by ND. Druckmann was at his best when he had a Hennig or Straley to check his ideas and challenge him. Now that he has full authority, the products have suffered since.
Topher
Gold Member
lol....does Druckmann have a GAF account?
Fake
Member
What is have to do with people being so defensive?
People are so OK mocking Jim Ryan and Phil Spencer and they don't even had a gaf account.
Neil will survive this I quite sure. People have nothing to worry about.
Toons
Member
No, we act like he shouldn't have to, not against lies and misinformation.
Why yall are so eager to gloss over that part. The fact this is 100% targeted, manufactured bullshit aimed directly at this guy and its been going on for years?
You shouldn't be ok with that. You can't even say its "criticism" at this point. Its not. You shouldn't be defending these people.
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Fake
Member
You should be careful about using the word 'misinformation' after countless fake trailers of TLOUSpart2.
And people are OK with many things I don't like, so please don't ask folks standarts about what is OK and what isn't in your view.
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Topher
Gold Member
Plenty of people defending Jim Ryan and Phil Spencer as well. You might as well say there should be no defense of anyone getting attacked/mocked on these forums simply because they should defend themselves. Makes no sense.
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Toons
Member
Why? That has nothing to do with the context of this thread or the discussion in it.
And I'm sure you're just as willing to call it out when confronted with it.
This isnt a justification lol. This is a playground "but they did it tooooo" tier deflection from the fact you are carrying water for folks engaging in a targeted completely manufactured internet campaign against the dude and you're actually going after the folks who are calling it out.
Just own it if you're gonna do that. Stop deflecting.
Fake
Member
Calling out is one thing, asking if is OK or not is other.
And the end of day everything will ne just fine. As you can see even the thread title got change.
And I not deflecting shit. You want me to run into circles. You want me to adress your post, but you don't adress my post either.
Thats not my point. What I see here is people pushing the word 'defensive' to their limits.
He can create a acc and make whatever he like, but you know what?
He like to stay on Twitter, even deleting some of hi tweets that don't quite 'hit', so who can blame people for shitting him there?
Again, I click in 'ignore' button thread everytime I can to avoid this kinda of mix hostility and defensive from fanboys, I can't suggest enough this button to others.
The OP mock Neil, mods mock the OP. The OP even got a mocking TAG, and still people defending a guy who don't give a shit about this place.
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Toons
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No, they're quite similar actually.
Asking someone if they think something they are doing is ok is a form of calling them out on something. Thats how I'm using it.
The thread title got a change from a moderator, because this thread, nd its source were dumb. Thats the moderator of the site also calling it out. So he didn't think it was ok either to let the notion prevail that this was actually something that was happening.
I didnt ask you do do anything other than tell me if you think this targeted misinformation campaign is ok or not, based on the fact you are going after the people calling it out. You have yet to actually address that question. Instead, you opted to bring up some TLOU2 trailer no one was talking about and then phil Spencer. No one is putting you in circle but yourself.
Topher
Gold Member
OP got a tag for bringing twitter level nonsense here. As far as attacks go, this is probably the most contrived I've ever seen. Wish folks would leave this crap on twitter where it belongs.
Tiago Rodrigues
Member
Which one of you is this delusional human being?
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
That tweet has a point.
I'm not a binge TV show watcher, but when friends and fam talk TV shows, it's always Sopranos and Seinfeld (back in the day), Game of Thrones, The Office, I've had coworkers talking up How I met Your Mother likes it's the greatest show ever. And there were aways people talking about Breaking Bad and everyone has to go watch it.
LOU is a new series. But I've heard zero people I know talk about it.
Tiago Rodrigues
Member
Found him
Im sorry what, golden what
"Until 2020, the Globes regularly drew 17 million to 20 million viewers."
Topher
Gold Member
Im sorry what, golden what
"Until 2020, the Globes regularly drew 17 million to 20 million viewers."
Yeah.....the Golden Globes
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
It's fine to not like a thing.
But is it really necessary to make it personal against the creator of that thing? Is it necessary to be an asshole about it? Is it necessary to resort to middle school insult tactics to get your point across? Is that how you'd want to be treated?
But is it really necessary to make it personal against the creator of that thing? Is it necessary to be an asshole about it? Is it necessary to resort to middle school insult tactics to get your point across? Is that how you'd want to be treated?
GooseMan69
Member
It really is amazing how confidently people on Twitter deliver the worst takes you’ve ever heard.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
that's what happens when there are no mods
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Toons
Member
You named some of the most popular and well known shows in television history and measures it up against a series that has been out for less than a year and had 8 episodes.
Another guy compared Neil druckman to Taylor swift the most popular popstar celebrity of the last 25 years and literally self made billionaire.
Did I enter the twilight zone or something g are there a lot of people who actually think like this? "Hahah his shows not even talked about more than the show that holds the record for the most viewed scripted program to ever air in human history hahaha hes so lame"
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Thats the point.
The series is new, but still nobody is talking about it. So for people talking a lot about the game or Neil Druckmann expecting Steven Spielberg kind of attention isnt happening. Also, I dont think the average gamer or paparazzi dude would even recognize Druckmann if he was walking down the street. He looks like any other normal guy with dark hair.
TheInfamousKira
Reseterror Resettler
It's the hair, see my bros?!
Yoboman
Member
None of that is ruined. Just different. Just because Amy was writing these elements doesn't mean they would come together. Uncharted 3 was complete ass from a story perspective.
As far as we know Neil and Bruce were brought in to recover a project after Amy left. They are not going to release the exact game Amy would have because they are different people and there was likely something fundamentally wrong in the game that Amy was making (if we assume her sacking was related to performance and not something more sinister).
Whatever happened with Amy, there is zero evidence that I've seen that it had anything to do with Neil and Straley. They were busy in pre production for TLOU2, why would they care what Amy was doing with Uncharted when they just launched their own more successful IP?
If anything they both came in and really saved the necks of Naughty Dog at a time Uncharted could have completely collapsed, and still released the second best Uncharted. And the process of doing that is probably what burned out Straley and drove him out
I get some of you hate Druckmann with passion, but at the point you're writing your own head canon and retroactively putting him in the blame for other things, is the point it becomes stupid.
Yoboman
Member
Great example of how meaningless anecdotes aree. There was plenty of chatter about TLOU. In fact way more than most shows in their first season that is for sure
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TLOU was the most searched show of the year, second most searched game and Pedro was in the top 10 most searched people in the world.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Jason's book Blood, Sweat and Pixels specifically mentions both Neil and Bruce being unhappy with Amy's vision for Uncharted 4. they were not busy with TLOU2. They jumped on uncharted 4 after finishing Left Behind. Amy left in protest after which they took over the project.
What they shouldve done was keep out of it and worked on pre-production for TLOU2 instead. Just like how Amy did for Uncharted 4 while the main team worked on TLOU1 and Left Behind. But no, they had to go in and fuck with her project she had been working on for almost 3 years at that point while she waited for them to finish TLOU and left behind. No idea why they felt the need to go meddle in her project. its not like she did for TLOU1. its not like Justin Richmond wasnt the game director. This is a clear case of office politics and people being shits.
Uncharted 4's Development Troubles Highlighted in New Book (Potential Story Spoilers) - PlayStation LifeStyle
A new book by Jason Schrier has shed some light on Uncharted 4 Amy Hennig controversy which arose after her high profile departure from Naughty Dog.
www.playstationlifestyle.net
Yoboman
Member
Thanks for providing a source but I'm skeptical on anything Schrier says about Naughty Dog after he pushed the "disgruntled employee" myth about TLOU2 leaksJason's book Blood, Sweat and Pixels specifically mentions both Neil and Bruce being unhappy with Amy's vision for Uncharted 4. they were not busy with TLOU2. They jumped on uncharted 4 after finishing Left Behind. Amy left in protest after which they took over the project.
What they shouldve done was keep out of it and worked on pre-production for TLOU2 instead. Just like how Amy did for Uncharted 4 while the main team worked on TLOU1 and Left Behind. But no, they had to go in and fuck with her project she had been working on for almost 3 years at that point while she waited for them to finish TLOU and left behind. No idea why they felt the need to go meddle in her project. its not like she did for TLOU1. its not like Justin Richmond wasnt the game director. This is a clear case of office politics and people being shits.
Uncharted 4's Development Troubles Highlighted in New Book (Potential Story Spoilers) - PlayStation LifeStyle
A new book by Jason Schrier has shed some light on Uncharted 4 Amy Hennig controversy which arose after her high profile departure from Naughty Dog.
And again, different isn't better. For all we know Uncharted 4 was a complete mess. Uncharted 3 basically was. Amy hasn't managed to make a project work since 2011 so I haven't got any reason to believe she was actually cooking something that was amazing
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
It's her mess though. Uncharted 3 had issues but she was not one of them. The project was run by the design team and they had a list of setpieces she had to write around. She hated that but had no choice. one example was the boat setpiece, they built the whole level while Amy tried to figure out a way for Drake to be on that boat at all. She ended up making it a rescue Sully mission. besides, ND famously says that all of their games come together at the last minute anyway.
They also fucked up by announcing the release date a year in advance and had to stick to it leading to a lot of issues towards the end. This was all chronicled by ND themselves.
At the end of the day, they had no right to meddle in her game because she didnt do it with their game. She was given very little resources because the entire studio was busy working on TLOU then finally after they shipped it, they fucked her over again by deciding to do DLC which took the studio another 8 months. Like the book says, you cant really expect Amy to do much with the game when 90% of the studio is busy working on another game.
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