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[SLoWMoTIoN]

the 1080 was release 3 years ago in 2016. while it was 500 Dollars. it was still 3 damn years ago. that would make the console just like last gen, outdated on release day. am not expecting it to be as good as a current gen PC GPU at the high end. but giving us hardware thats maxed out on day one doesn't leave too much of a good taste in my mouth

am just using some of the leaks here that might not be true. 1080 performance is nothing to write home about. 1080 TI perf in 2020? yeah . that would be 4 years after these cards came out. thats pretty reasonable isn't it?.

hell even PS4 wasn't worse than a 2009 GPU.

Is it weird I read this as

"What? The Ps5 ONLY has a 6 inch penis? THAT is pretty pathetic. IMAGINE not taking a 10 inch penis everyday. lol."

No? Just me? k..kay.

 

[TeamGhobad]

apple and oranges was back in the day when console were specific custom built. ever since the PS4 and Xbox one and they are apples to apples.

only difference is talent of developers sony has in their studios.

as for ray tracing, it needs to be seen if its software implementation or there are turing cores, if its the later then good, if the first then lol hello 20 fps games

creating games for dedicated hardware streamlined for games has major added benefits so it is apples and oranges.

 

[Kdad]

This thread has caused brain damage...it started with the nonsensical title and then kept going.

 

[Solarstrike]

Oh fuck no. It's 2020 soon. The nineties are done. Over. Nada. Seeya. Hasta lanacho. Bye. GTFO. Pre-order savings cancelled and fully allocated towards XBox Scarlett.

 

[thelastword]

Consoles are different than PC's relative to what you can get out of them...….Look at what you got from a 1.84TF machine....Did you see any game on your GTX 1080 that looked better than 1886, Driveclub, Spiderman, Uncharted 4/Lost Legacy, Detroit, GOW?

The point is, you've never seen what a GTX 1080 is capable of unencumbered by resource sucking API's, devving for a million GPU's to maintain compliance etc etc...….Still, I don't think consoles will only offer GTX 1080 performance, that is so NOT TRUE.....RTX 5700 already offers better performance than a GTX 1080 on a 251 mm2 die...…...In 2020, expect even bigger monolithic Navi dies for the high end or several smaller GPU dies on Infinity Fabric on 5nm/7nm EUV...…...Two to 4 GPU cores at 150-180mm2 each is a possibility, even lower on 3nm, 2nm etc.....

 

[Birdo]

Does it really matter when next gen is just going to be this gen but with better graphics?

The only thing interesting me about next gen is the reduced load times.

 

[NeoGiffer]

 

[Shmunter]

Does it really matter when next gen is just going to be this gen but with better graphics?

The only thing interesting me about next gen is the reduced load times.

The cpu should usher in an era of physics and world simulation we haven’t seen before. The only risk here are studios that aim for PS4/xbone as the baseline.

 

[sonomamashine]

dont even start these arguments with me. am not gonna create a long boring post but lets just leave it at the fact that I have a bachelor in computer engineering and a 2 year degree at CS.

yet you don't know what you're talking about, please keep reading peoples posts, you might regain your senses

 

[ResilientBanana]

Because a beefed up machine with more ram, more TFs and a better cpu will use that power for shit like ultra ray tracing and hair physics.

The same could be said for the PC.

 

[kraspkibble]

gpus that are more powerful and cost more than a 1080:

2070 - £450 to £600
2080 - £650 to £850
2080 ti - £1,100 to £1,900

current price of a 3 year old PS4 Pro = £350

yeah good luck getting anything more powerful with 12GB or more RAM, and a Zen 2 cpu. a 1080 is about £450-500 but of course prices will come down over the next year or so.

 

[Shin]

It's not great actually, out of curiosity I had to look when the card came out.
May/June 2016, the new consoles will launch about 4 1/2 years later with about the same power.
Then there remains to be seen how RDNA performance holds up against a 1080 since equal footing is almost non-existent and has been for a while.
State of the art in the sense of brand-new (certainly the CPU and other components or how they work), but the GPU part is less impressive if compared against a 1080.

Then again some years ago 1080 or 1080Ti-ish was the dream so the goalposts keep shifting, it's only normal/human nature for us to want, whatever it is we just do.

 

[IKSTUGA]

60 fps or gtfo

 

[sonomamashine]

60 fps or gtfo

 

[Visualift]

Unfamiliar with the pricing manufactures negotiate. But how much does a 1080 or 1080 ti go at wholesale? Seems Sony/Microsoft could out a quality GPU in their consoles for far less that the consumer cost.

 

[3March]

Based on rumors and if so, who cares? Console are far better optimized than PC because dev only have to develop from that one specific configuration.

Yet Devil May Cry 5 is more technically impressive than any PS4 exclusive, runs at 60fps, and has a higher FOV despite being on 3 platforms.

 

[llien]

the 1080 was release 3 years ago in 2016. while it was 500 Dollars.

And what can you buy today for 500 dollars? 2070?

 

[nkarafo]

Well, they seem το squeeze a lot more from graphics cards when they are inside a console. Remember the PS4 being the same as a GTX 750ti? Try playing some late gen games with that card on PC now.

That can't be. Those cards can't play games in native 4k.

At 30fps, with medium/console settings they can.

 

[Pimpbaa]

Your 300 mhz Pentium II was not outperforming the PS2's graphics.

What does the CPU have to do with graphics? It was the Geforce 1 that was spanking the PS2 back then. I mean I loved my PS2, but my Geforce 1 at the time was in another class.

 

[Chozofication_]

PS4's 1.84 Tflop GPU was fine, the only issue this generation really had was CPU performance that of which will be remedied.

For once I agree. Ps4 gpu wasn't a monster, but it was enough.

Ps4 pro, and x1x certainly have enough gpu grunt. It's CPU and storage holding gaming back.

1080 to 1080 ti performance + ray tracing acceleration is monstrous for next gen.

 

[nkarafo]

In 2001, I had a Pentium III 800 mhz pc with a Geforce 256MX (I think that was the gpu). I forget how many megs of ram it had, but when I got my PS2 around 2002, there is no way my PC could do an average PS2 game.

No doubt, PC games heavy in 3D or simulating stats it was fine (Unreal/Quake), but games like Ace Combat 4, Twitsted Metal, God of War, etc.... no way my PC could do that, and it probably had 10x the ram.

That's because you played PC games at 1024 x 768 or above. PCs were already "HD" before the PS3/360.

If God of War existed on PC as a multiplatform, yours could easily handle it if you were playing at the same low resolution as the PS2.

But anyway, most multiplatform releases on that PC would wipe the floor with the PS2 versions.

 

[Chozofication_]

That's because you played PC games at 1024 x 768 or above. PCs were already "HD" before the PS3/360.

If God of War existed on PC as a multiplatform, yours could easily handle it if you were playing at the same low resolution as the PS2.

But anyway, most multiplatform releases on that PC would wipe the floor with the PS2 versions.

Not necessarily. Ps2 had bandwidth and to a lesser extent fillrate that blew pc out of the water for years, in those areas. Ps2 was a unique beast. Higher bandwidth and fillrate than Xbox and GameCube despite being weaker overall.

Then there's pc overhead.

 

[Nero_PR]

I don't get the point of this kind of thread. IT is not feasible to compare a console to PC.

First. Consoles are great for the simple point that you can optimize a game aiming for just a few specs. This next generation is looking even better because it seems that the new Xbox and PS consoles will be closer in specs than ever.

Second. PC gaming can vary a lot, from potato budget gaming to Ultra gaming machines. The thing is that the developer has to make compromises and concessions while optimizing it. I would love that all PCs could play all games on ultra and whatsoever but that is just my dream.

Third. Console gaming is and will still be for the next generation a BUDGET option. I wouldn't even dare to say it is the bare minimum or the entrance for gaming. It is just another medium and I'm thankful that it exists. You get what you paid for on a console but I still gotta say that the optimization is done better since you work with a limited range of hardware.

 

[Burrito Bandito]

they arent far optimized anymore because they are the same parts as pcs. back in the day you had the ps2 CPU running at 300 MHZ but is a better gaming machine than a 1 GHZ pentium 4 machine because it wasnt the same part it was specified for games

now days thats not the case.

then explain to me TLOU2 on that pathetic 1.8tf gpu and tablet cpu? What console devs can squeeze out is amazing and its solely because of a consoles closed system. Theres no 1.8tf pc gpu and old cpu running modern ps4 games.

 

[vendril]

its still relatively a 4 year old PC GPU if thats the case. the PS4 was heavily underpowered on release day. it should have probably been around 2.5 TF instead of 1.8

I think it needs to be understood that consoles will never feature state of the art graphics. There's a Mt. Everest of logistics involved with a physical device -- specs, production,. licensing, manufacturing, distribution ...

What would you be willing to pay for a console that can rival a high end PC? $1000? $1500? If they could even deliver the actual boxes on any kind of a schedule? New phones cost almost that much, but consoles are criticized?

 

[nkarafo]

Not necessarily. Ps2 had bandwidth and to a lesser extent fillrate that blew pc out of the water for years, in those areas. Ps2 was a unique beast. Higher bandwidth and fillrate than Xbox and GameCube despite being weaker overall.

Then there's pc overhead.

Sure, not saying all games would be ported easily. Maybe games that took advantage of that bandwidth would probably be gimped on PC in some ways. But how many/what games is that?

In 90% of cases, the PC ports on a Geforce card and a fast Pentium 3 of the time would have much better textures, run at higher frame rates and play at higher screen resolutions.

 

[kegkilla]

Yeah it was. Plus I had a 1 GHz.

Then your computer didn't have similar specs to the PS2...

 

[Geki-D]

I don't get the point of this kind of thread.

It's a SlashBringingHasher thread. You'll notice that his thread doesn't say "If Next Gen GPUs are slightly better than gtx 1080 that's pretty pathetic." but is specifically about PS5. His whole shtick here is to campaign against Sony and make console warz, practically every thread he makes serves only that purpose.

Seriously.

 

[Tripolygon]

Slightly better than GTX1080 means equal or better than RTX2070 with some Raytracing capabilities that are yet to be seen. This is not disappointing power-wise especially when paired with 8 core Zen 2 CPU. This is a huge performance gain coming from a baseline of 1.8TF GPU and 8 core Jaguar CPU.

And the rumor says PlayStation 5 APU To Offer Better Performance Than NVIDIA’s GTX 1080. There's no slightly there. And to top it off, it is not a rumor, it is purely based on a benchmark of PS4 compared to a supposed Gonzalo chip firestrike benchmark, which is better than an RTX2070 on average but WCCFTECH went with a GTX1080 for their clickbait title.

 

[Nero_PR]

It's a SlashBringingHasher thread. You'll notice that his thread doesn't say "If Next Gen GPUs are slightly better than gtx 1080 that's pretty pathetic." but is specifically about PS5. His whole shtick here is to campaign against Sony and make console warz, practically every thread he makes serves only that purpose.

Seriously.

That sounds like a hassle. I would just do this if was being paid well by some company or the government. Not gonna judge his/her tastes haha.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Pathetic? You want 2080Ti equivalent gpu in a 500$ console. Smh

Welcome to a Slash Sony thread.

This could have been discusses in the OT, but oh you know, he needed his monthly honeypot bash.

 

[Pimpbaa]

Yet Devil May Cry 5 is more technically impressive than any PS4 exclusive, runs at 60fps, and has a higher FOV despite being on 3 platforms.

DMC5 certainly is an impressive looking game. But it is most certainly NOT more technically impressive than most of Sony's output on the PS4.

 

[Psykodad]

Was not fine. It was outdated horrible the moment it released.CPU wasn't the only issue it was facing. a 1,8 tflop amd gpu in a box when 5,6tflop gpu's from AMD where out at that time. I had two of those.

I remember when people kept saying this and were mocking the hardware and then Killzone Shadowfall and Infamous Second Son trailers were called fake/CGI, with claims that PS4 hardware could never handle those graphics in realtime with that outdated hardware.

And then those games released...

And in time games like The Order, Horizon and GOW.

Guess we're going into next-gen again. lol

 

[AlphaMale]

The console's gonna be sub-$500, so why are you complaining?
If you hate it so much, then just stick with your powerhouse PC and be done with.

 

[Birdo]

It's only pathetic if you compare it to a gaming PC.

For a set-top console, it's pretty good.

 

[vpance]

DMC5 certainly is an impressive looking game. But it is most certainly NOT more technically impressive than most of Sony's output on the PS4.

The graphical budget definitely went towards the character models, which were some of the best I've seen real-time.

 

[Chozofication_]

DMC5 certainly is an impressive looking game. But it is most certainly NOT more technically impressive than most of Sony's output on the PS4.

It kind of is, barring the shitty post processing and chromatic aberration. At native 1080p on base ps4 no less.

 

[Damigos]

Having a 1080 TI like graphics card on next gen PS5 would be awesome.
People keep comparing eg this card running on a PC vs the same card running on a console. But its completely different.
Its like a having a 400 HP engine and using it on truck or a normal car.
See what the PS4 does with the 7750 like graphics card from 2011 (God of War, Spiderman etc)
So, stop comparing with pc, its uncomparable as a console is a "closed" system, without having the variables that pc has

 

[Leonidas]

Considering X had slightly better than GTX 980 performance 3 years later, I'd say it's a little disappointing if PS5 is slightly faster than 1080 over 4 years later...

 

[SlimySnake]

I did the same Firestrike test with my RTX 2080 and i7 8700 and got a 21.5k. If Gonzolo is 20K+, we have nothing to worry about.

 

[Pimpbaa]

The graphical budget definitely went towards the character models, which were some of the best I've seen real-time.

I agree. But the environment is quite a bit worse than Sony's own exclusives. But I guess you have to take 60fps into account. Can't have environments like in Horizon, Days Gone, or Spider Man at 60fps. A bit more apt to compare it to something like Doom 2016.

 

[KOMANI]

OP, Rich from Reviewtech has a message for you

 

[vpance]

I agree. But the environment is quite a bit worse than Sony's own exclusives. But I guess you have to take 60fps into account. Can't have environments like in Horizon, Days Gone, or Spider Man at 60fps. A bit more apt to compare it to something like Doom 2016.

Yeah I think if you compare it to GoW. that wins in environments. But that might be a team budget thing where Sony is obviously going to have more resources to throw at quantity of art.

 

[alabtrosMyster]

its still relatively a 4 year old PC GPU if thats the case. the PS4 was heavily underpowered on release day. it should have probably been around 2.5 TF instead of 1.8

It was still the most powerful console, by a pretty good margin, it also has a lighter software layer.

Now, sure, it would have been better if it had come out with a core i7 clocked at 5.3ghz, 128MB of RAM and a 15TF GPU with it's own very fast memory bank, they could have sold it to us for 250$ too.

The thing is, I think that the PS4 has served us well this generation, and I'll be happy with a decent upgrade, the Geforce 1080 is still a pretty good GPU despite its age (it tells you how much GPU tech has not changed that much in the last few years).

 

[pawel86ck]

OP, Rich from Reviewtech has a message for you

And it's even more impressive if you take into account unoptimized drivers, after all PS5 was benchmarked on windows. GTX 1080 and Vega 64 on the other hand both have perfectly optimized drivers to run 3dmark.

 

[DESTROYA]

What’s more pathetic is you thinking GTX 1080 like performance in a $500 console is a joke.

 

[Tqaulity]

Like most people are saying a 1080+ GPU in the next generation consoles would be huge! First of all, the current (only) AMD Navi card is the 5700/XT which is slighter faster than a reference 2070 and thus faster than a GTX 1080. At WORST, the next generation consoles will use a variant of the 5700XT which means that the minimum we can expect for next generation will be 1080 level performance (depending on clock speeds and how many CUs are disabled for yields).

More likely however since we know next gen consoles will have some form of ray tracing and the timing puts a release of late 2020, we can expect that the console GPUs will be beyond a 5700XT. Either some custom version of the proverbial 5800XT or something in between a 5700 and 5800. It's pretty reasonable to expect that if the 5700XT is capable of delivering 1080+/2070 perf, the 5800XT will be 1080ti/2080 perf. THIS is the upper limit of what we can expect for next generation (for obvious reasons pertaining to cost, heat, size, and AMD's roadmap). This also corroborates the "14TFLOPS' rumors of the PS5 dev kit. It's entirely possible that without any 2020 Navi GPUs ready to use in dev kits, they used an overclocked Radeon VII as a proxy (~14TFLOPs). However, that's based on Vega which is not nearly as efficient as Navi. So the 25% more efficient Navi could mean that the final PS5 has an ~11-12TFLOPs Navi GPU (equaling a roughly 14TFLOP current AMD GPU). That also puts into context the 11-12TFLOPs rumors as well. Thus, If you know how computer hardware is developed and understand when and how to read between the lines, you can see that all of the rumors can make sense when put into the right context

Point being, we're looking at 1080 (min) to 1080ti (max) level perf next generation and anything in that range will be a HUGE step up from the current consoles. With those specs as a baseline (combined with the more powerful Zen2 CPU) we can expect to see some next level visuals next gen!

 

[JCK75]

As a PC Elitist I don't find it pathetic at all, it's actually pretty impressive considering how much a GTX 1080 costs.

 

[nikolino840]

the 1080 was release 3 years ago in 2016. while it was 500 Dollars. it was still 3 damn years ago. that would make the console just like last gen, outdated on release day. am not expecting it to be as good as a current gen PC GPU at the high end. but giving us hardware thats maxed out on day one doesn't leave too much of a good taste in my mouth

am just using some of the leaks here that might not be true. 1080 performance is nothing to write home about. 1080 TI perf in 2020? yeah . that would be 4 years after these cards came out. thats pretty reasonable isn't it?.

hell even PS4 wasn't worse than a 2009 GPU.

What do you want a titan rtx?

 

[Stuart360]

I think on paper, a console with a GTX 1080 level gpu sounds fantastic, but the problem next gen is that the consoles will almost certainly be targeting 4k.
I have said this before but there will be a lot of games next gen that look like current gen games but at 4k. Even the 2080ti can struggle to run some current games at 4k/60, and yes most console games will still be 30fps next gen, but at the same time we wont be getting a 2080ti level gpu in next gen games.
Now a console with a 1080 level gpu targeting 1080p?, that would produce amazing results.