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Ridley Scott confirms Prometheus 2 is his next film
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efyu_lemonardo
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It wouldn't feel out of place in a Douglas Adams story
TwEE-N-Toast
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I'm glad, wasn't the film I was hoping for, I liked Prometheus, and enjoyed what it added to the Alien lore.
brisk tacos
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Hope they go deep into ancient astronaut stuff. Just full on Ancient Aliens madness.
Not really, seeing as the film does everything except spell it out and it sums up the level to which the film was exploring the 'big questions' it felt was worth raising. That's your story, and that's what everything in the film points to.
Prometheus is as deep as a puddle, it doesn't dive in because the audience's necks would break at the stupid.
Demoncarnotaur
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I'd imagine it's still connected to the universe, we just won't see any Xeno like creatures.
If I had to guess, Alien 5 is gonna toy with some Engineer/'Space Jockey' concepts as well, hence certain things not aligning.
The film spelled out that humanity's creators sent an emissary during the Roman Era to bring their creations back in line and that emissary was actually Jesus?
Edit:Nvm Read your post wrong. In any case I don't understand how the Jesus story stated by Scott their matches the ideas explored by the film. What questions did you think the film was the film exploring?
That's why it's so frustrating to watch.
The protagonist is Christian.
The film takes place over Christmas.
Our creators wanted to wipe us out 'around 2000 years ago'.
I wonder what prompted that after spending 4 billion years creating us?
Yep, it's Space Jesus! And now Shaw's off to find Heaven.
Maybe my film reading skills are extremely poor (they probably are) but I don't see how space jesus fits into the equation?
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
You might as well. The visuals are nice.
Jesus supposedly born 2000 years ago. The film leaves the details ambiguous but if you look at what Scott and his writers have said, their concept was that Jesus was an Engineer.
Discotheque
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When the choice is between a new ridley scott entry or blomkamp's take...who cares? They're both destined to take yet another shit on the franchise at this point
Fox prolly flipped a coin, or saw how chappie bombed and decided to go with the safer bet for success
Hmm. There were many good elements to Prometheus but most were incidental to the core narrative which was way too obtuse for its own good.
The set design was amazing, certain scenes were terrific looking and a few of the performances terrific, but the film really stumbled once it moved past David alone on the ship and introduced a fairly unbelievable crew.
After the perfection of the crew of Alien it was quite jarring to see such clumsy, ungainly performances and script grinding against each other.
Looked lovely though so hopefully they really sort out the themes, narrative and script second time around.
The set design was amazing, certain scenes were terrific looking and a few of the performances terrific, but the film really stumbled once it moved past David alone on the ship and introduced a fairly unbelievable crew.
After the perfection of the crew of Alien it was quite jarring to see such clumsy, ungainly performances and script grinding against each other.
Looked lovely though so hopefully they really sort out the themes, narrative and script second time around.
Right I see but I don't get how that's relevant or at all impacts the events of the film itself or the ideas it explores.
Both films will probably end up shit, but the proposed Alien 3 retcon is at least something people want, it's following Aliens and bringing back beloved characters. Making Prometheus 2 is like making a direct sequel to Alien Resurrection. Nobody wants it, nobody gives a shit about Noomi Rapace's idiot character. I'd rather watch Fassbender's head float through space for 90 minutes.
It doesn't impact anything, it's just painful to know that such a stupid idea was in Ridley Scott's head when he was directing the movie.
Supervlieg
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I'll happily take Prometheus 2 before Blomkamp's Aliens fanfiction.
Agreed on that part. I just don't understand why it's brought up as a criticism of the film however.
So Jesus, one of the engineers, a god, gave us life but we crucified him.
We acted like gods by taking his life. Maybe we went to far by doing that.
wtf
Knowing that Jesus was an alien just gives the movie a stench that's hard to ignore, it's like something from a South Park episode.
I can see that but I don't think it's something which is highlighted in the film itself or is something which is apparently obvious. At least it wasn't to me. To me Shaw's religious beliefs didn't tie into this plot strand and I guess I just blanked on the "2000 years ago they changed their minds" thing. To me it just became "a very long time ago sometime after a very very long time ago".
brisk tacos
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That's what happens when you only work half days so you can get your whole crew drunk every day.
So, they were coming with their alien goo weapon to wipe out humans for killing Jesus. Bit silly.
I think keeping it as the engineer started human life or life of their design on earth is better. Why, who knows. Where they pissed at David being synthetic in a natural form or humans in general. The film seem to suggest they were heading to earth before meeting the crew.
starchild excalibur
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I agree. Prometheus was flawed, but as much as I love Alien, I couldnt give a shit about its "lore." For me the genius of the first one wasn't where the alien came from, but simply how gripping of a horror film it was. Prometheus had some daffy character motivations and plot elements, but I guess I'm one of the few that still liked it overall and feel like the sequel will undoubtedly be much better than the first.
Nothing is taking a shit on anything. If P2 sucks, it'll suck without retroactively making the Alien series any worse than it already is after 3 and resurrection. If Alien 5 sucks, it won't make the series any worse than it already is. Alien 1 and 2 will always be classics.
itsbenoclock
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First half was full of intrigue and had great suspense, I think I was more pissed off by the ending being so dull and seemingly cut short of what could have been a far more interesting story. Basically, the first half built up the idea that this crew were on the verge of seeing these great creators, then they find them and "Oh no guys, this powerful alien wants to off us all!", essentially building all this unique suspense to result in a five minute climax in the form of a cliché chase and 'battle' to save the world.
Saying all that, I haven't yet seen Alien (although I did play Isolation) so I can't perhaps see it from a fan's perspective.
Flakster99
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Loved Prometheus, day fucking one.
RadioHeadAche
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Me too. I even own the blu ray.
Discotheque
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maybe just rent the bluray and watch it on mute to some music.
GeordieMark
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I'm well up for a sequel. I quite enjoyed the first one, despite its flaws. Good dumb sci-fi fun.
Freeza Under The Shower
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It's like watching two things you really never asked for mud wrestling each other for the right be awful before the other one.
Prometheus is an excellent comedy that plays as a satire of Christian movies though.
Also, Benny Hill music rolling scene.
Just rewatched Prometheus thinking in the sequel and after reading so many positive opinions in this thread, hoping I had missed something the first time i saw it. Nope, it's still a boring disaster.
Really don't understand why Scott, being as old as he is, would waste any time making a sequel.
Really don't understand why Scott, being as old as he is, would waste any time making a sequel.
Prometheus was aggressively dumb. Beautifully shot, but I hated it. Possibly the worst excuse for sci fi I've ever seen... on the same level as Star Trek Into Darkness in terms of pure, unmitigated schlock. A movie made by and for people who never give anything a second thought.
Freeza Under The Shower
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In before "maybe he needs more money to buy booze"
But the movie did make money, and that's all anyone really cares about with movies these days.
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boxofficemojo puts it at 403 million worldwide on a 130 million budget. Science fiction movies (like Edge of Tommorrow: 369 million on 178 million budget; Ex Machina: 36 on 15 million) afaik tend to do only double their investment on a good day, tripple or more is basically "it's a franchise now". Examples: Terminator, Alien, Avatar, Star Wars, Back to the Future. But these days you're not going to make a movie that grosses that immensely on such a low budget. Audiences wouldn't accept it. Even Avatar at 2.8 billion was made on a 237 million budget, meaning it barely had a greater Return On Investment than the other franchise examples. I know it seems ridiculous to bring a movie making that amount of money down to ROI, but that's basically the bottom line for movie making as a product.
I felt like Prometheus recaptured some of that sense of wonder and intrigue that made the original Alien great, y'know the sense that you're peering into a strange world, and this scary creature is only a small part of it. Aliens had none of that, it was just a mind-numbing action movie.
Meus Renaissance
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It actually got deserved criticism whereas other films (i.e. Man of Steel) were somewhat shielded in favour of trivial matters by comparison. You would think a Ridley Scott movie with such a great cast would have had more protection.
This sounds like something written by a professional movie critic.
As much as I dislike this film, I still bought it on Blu-Ray.
It was Gold Box deal on Black Friday. I couldn't pass it up.
Meus Renaissance
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brisk tacos
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All the problems of Promethus are explained on the 4 hour documentary on the bluray. All stems around Scott loving wine and being very amenable to whatever changes anyone suggested at any time, which means David Lindelof just threw shit out there and Ridley went along with it.
It all starts with, "I had this great idea..." for a story/scene/prop/set/whatever, and someone saying, "What if we did this..." and Ridley saying, "Sure" and then shutting down the day for wine tasting.
It all starts with, "I had this great idea..." for a story/scene/prop/set/whatever, and someone saying, "What if we did this..." and Ridley saying, "Sure" and then shutting down the day for wine tasting.
Really excited about this. One of the most hyped releases on GAF in recent memory, and while it didn't quite live up to the hype it was still a beautifully shot film that I enjoyed quite a lot. The first film is almost like the MGS4 of GAF, a much hyped new chapter in a long running series, some hated it while others loved it.
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