I personally never thought of it as a prequel to Alien so it never bothered me. I just thought of it as being in the same universe.
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Ridley Scott confirms Prometheus 2 is his next film
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I personally never thought of it as a prequel to Alien so it never bothered me. I just thought of it as being in the same universe.
People enjoy terrible films?
Was that Fox's business plan for this year's Fantastic Four film?
What went wrong with that?
efyu_lemonardo
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Completely agree with the bolded, and in fact I think some of the best films ever made leave a lot to the imagination. But there's a degree of skill involved in knowing what to reveal and what not, and in revealing enough but not too much. The original Alien is an excellent example of such skill.
But if Prometheus was intended to be an origin story then I would have expected some questions to be answered.. and I can't say for sure if any meaningful question was actually answered at all.
Did the engineers create the xenomorphs? According to the film they were basically created by a freak accident... How did we get from that one xenomorph seen at the end (stranded on the planet) to a different engineer ship full of eggs? Not a clue... Is there even a connection between what happened in the Prometheus planet and what we see in the beginning of Alien? No idea.
The question was why one sequel was green lit as opposed to another; not about quality.
Yeah, I agree. The problem with Prometheus is that it felt like nothing was answered but I'm still willing to give the sequel a chance since there's a new writer involved.
Same, first one gets way too much hate.
That's a pretty superficial rendering of what the film is about. Most of it is shrouded in a good deal of mystery, the stuff about crucifying Space Jesus is playfully suggested, but that's it. We get the sense the engineers have been pivotal part of our entire history, but their role in it is largely left mysterious.
Most of the film is spent in a state of great unease trying to get a handle on the elusive nature of the powers being dealt with. I can understand why this is irritating to people who want specific answers, but I respected the way in which the film was comfortable in being willing to SUGGEST rather than SAY. Like a lot of science fiction I enjoy, I felt that gave me an opportunity to have my own thoughts and theories,
The film reminded me a great deal of Arthur C. Clarke. It is an unusual kind of sci-fi to be made in the current era.
I thought it was incredibly refreshing.
Same, the whole idea of exploring a dead world previously inhabited by our ancestors was incredibly interesting.
The story could have been told better, but the movie looked beautiful.
talisayNon
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Fuuuuck yessssssss!
That's because Prometheus is incredibly superficial; a very pretty but completely lacking exploration of things which didn't need to be asked with answers that are too dumb to give.
It's History Channel level.
efyu_lemonardo
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I could add that to me as a viewer, the pervasive religious elements (especially those incorporated into the character of the main protagonist) served to strongly reinforce the feeling that this film was an intentional sham. Maybe in Scott's opinion this is the film's genius? I don't know...
The English Conquistador
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Yup!
*hugs DECK'ARD*
It was getting lonely in here.
Terrible.
It will end up being terrible.
IISANDERII
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You forgot the music. Prometheus' score was brilliant, the best since Tron I think.
True Savior
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I'm kinda excited.
In my opinion, Shaw is religious in order to really show how de-stabilizing it is to a human being to have their sense of existence challenged.
Various religions have invented origin stories in order to explain our place in the universe. Meeting our TRUE creators completely disturbs that sense of equilibrium. I thought the film's treatment of these themes was actually rather nuanced. It is clear that the Engineers have been a part of the beliefs of numerous culture throughout history (which is why David is learning ancient dead languages to communicate with them).
Scott is an atheist, who has explored religion with nuance before (in Kingdom of Heaven).
I think Prometheus is actually an interesting film with some big themes that are fun to discuss. I think it is unfortunate when we miss out on the opportunity to dive into that because people simply state they found the film to be "dumb."
brochiller
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What he bought the rights to Wool? I'm in the middle of reading this now. Loving it so far.
Gordon Shumway
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Enjoyed the first..looking forward to the sequel.
efyu_lemonardo
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In fact I think I'll go with this new theory. The stupidly religious scientists going to great lengths to seek answers that only leave them confused infuriated and disappointed are an allegory for the Alien audience, and possibly for blockbuster film franchise audiences in general.
Weyland's character is an allegory for the director selfishly seeking immortality through his cinematic work, and purposefully exploiting his audience in the process.
Can't say I found the slightest bit of nuance in Scott's exploration of the religious psyche in this film. If anything it felt like he was mocking the viewer.
Weyland's character is an allegory for the director selfishly seeking immortality through his cinematic work, and purposefully exploiting his audience in the process.
Can't say I found the slightest bit of nuance in Scott's exploration of the religious psyche in this film. If anything it felt like he was mocking the viewer.
I think Prometheus works better as a companion to Blade Runner than Alien. David's character is where the story works best. The alien is just kind of there because...
It's odd however, the humans are essentially confronted with a situation which an AI/David faces, they have a known creator who is ambivalent about its creation. You (at least I did) empathize with David because of this. This is just one aspect of the whole God/creator/humans/AI story going on with David and although the idea of an alien god may seem like History channel fluff, I think it serves as an interesting launching pad to the other ideas. The horror trappings don't work well I don't think however the abortion scene was very uncomfortable to watch.
It's odd however, the humans are essentially confronted with a situation which an AI/David faces, they have a known creator who is ambivalent about its creation. You (at least I did) empathize with David because of this. This is just one aspect of the whole God/creator/humans/AI story going on with David and although the idea of an alien god may seem like History channel fluff, I think it serves as an interesting launching pad to the other ideas. The horror trappings don't work well I don't think however the abortion scene was very uncomfortable to watch.
Score was very good in both of those movies you mentioned no doubt, but have you watched Interstellar?
Now that some kick ass film score right there, probably the BEST I've ever heard!
brandonh83
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Very excited and glad it's finally confirmed. I had problems with the first one but still found it mostly good, sometimes great. The next one can be an improvement.
It will be interesting to see where they take it from here and how they will get more humans introduced with Shaw and David. Since they are the only two alive and David is just a head at the moment (I guess they saved his body too? I don't remember).
If they do not involve more humans it will just be the Shaw and David show getting searching and finding the engineers. Hopefully their second conversation goes a little better than the first...
If they do not involve more humans it will just be the Shaw and David show getting searching and finding the engineers. Hopefully their second conversation goes a little better than the first...
Lights and Waves
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Same here!
Prometheus turned out the way it did because of Scott not Lindelof.
In a interview Lindelof explained that Ridley changed a lot of things during work on the move. And basically said when Ridley says I want to do this, you don't say no.
I love Prometheus in large part because it short circuits nerdy dilettantes so constantly assured in their correct opinions by other nerdy dilettantes.
Dreams-Visions
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I mean, the first one had a ton of promise. Just a few impossibly frustrating mistakes in the screen writing. Nothing that can't be fixed. It was close to being exceptional. Those couple of fuck ups led to it being forgettable. So here's to Ridley starting and finishing strongly this time around.
Count Dookkake
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U mad hominem?
Lol@ dilettantes.
Lol@ dilettantes.
brandonh83
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I don't guess you liked the cornbread?
It's basically Lollipop Chainsaw In Outer Space.
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