hemo memo
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Fans are blindly defending. Typical with Naughty Dog stuff.
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The Last of Us Part I Rebuilt for PS5 - Features and Gameplay Trailer
IAmAnAgnostic
Member
Fair enough, and they should have been honest about the game. Feels real scummy at least to me to lie and mislead. If they just said "mostly graphical improvements with some AI tweaks and accessibility" no one would have been mislead. But I guess then few people would pre-order that for 70$...
kyliethicc
Member
Looks great. And shocker - it’s a remake.
Love that both parts now look cohesive, using the same character models and engine.
Love that both parts now look cohesive, using the same character models and engine.
BigbyTheSheriff
Member
And the new AI is so good that Bill and Ellie are running aimlessly in front of the enemies and they don't react at all.
Pedro Motta
Member
I'm not defending shit, I just don't fool myself with dumb ideas and then get pissed out of nowhere.
skneogaf
Member
Such a wasted opportunity, they could have gone balls deep and had mobility from 2 and graphics far beyond 2, instead we get mobility from 1 and graphics from 2.
I'd much prefer 59.99 than 69.99 as a little faith or even an upgrade path if you have a recognised the last of us 1 purchase.
I'd much prefer 59.99 than 69.99 as a little faith or even an upgrade path if you have a recognised the last of us 1 purchase.
IAmAnAgnostic
Member
The ideas came from the words of ND...
See the posts above yours last page. I can quote them if you want to.
BigbyTheSheriff
Member
“Enjoy a total overhaul of the original experience, faithfully reproduced by incorporating modernized gameplay, improved controls and expanded accessibility options. Plus, feel immersed with improved effects and enhanced exploration and combat.”
That's what they said.
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TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
If this included the PS5 version of TLOU2 and was a collector's edition with artwork, OST and other stuff we've never had access to them maybe it'll be worth the price tag.
As it is... I'm gonna wait till it's 20 quid.
The upgrade brings it up to parity with TLOU2 but it's not even close to being what you'd expect from ND on PS5 being built from the ground up.
No way.
As it is... I'm gonna wait till it's 20 quid.
The upgrade brings it up to parity with TLOU2 but it's not even close to being what you'd expect from ND on PS5 being built from the ground up.
No way.
IAmAnAgnostic
Member
Yes. Point to the enhanced exploration and combat. You could make a huge stretch that AI tweaks equals enhanced combat, but you cannot even make that for the exploration. Also furthermore, they specifically said gameplay mechanics (more than one my dude) so no you cannot blame people for rightfully expecting more than a few tweaks to the AI mechanic.
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rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Changes or not, it's still a remake since assets are "re made"
That said - it is hard to say how many assets you need to re create in order for it to be a remake over remaster
ChuckeRearmed
Member
It is a remaster of PS4 version basically. Also with a higher price and no multiplayer.
Topher
Gold Member
I think the problem most people have with this is the price tag and that they overpromised/underdelivered on the gameplay improvements. They showed nothing of the "exploration enhancements" at all.
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
We need some new definitions man
This is a remaster not a remake in my books.
Im still gonna get the PC version cuz I didnt play the Remastered version.
But i still think charging full price is a bit of a tall order.
- Remaster - Upscale of Res/Textures/Geometry, fix animations if needed, new effects etc etc....the same game just prettier.
- Reremaster - Whatever this shit is.
- Remake - RE2R type stuff where its effectively a whole new game in the same setting
This is a remaster not a remake in my books.
Im still gonna get the PC version cuz I didnt play the Remastered version.
But i still think charging full price is a bit of a tall order.
GymWolf
Member
When they announced this remake everyone and their mother thought about tlou2 graphic and gameplay upgrades, especially when we already had a remaster that play exactly like the ps3 game.
And the game receiving these upgrades was the default defense when people asked who the fuck wanted a third remake for the same game in less than 10 years...
But now that we know the truth, some people are saying that expecting tlou2 gameplay upgrade was absurd or a low chance or some shit.
You can't made this stuff up...
And the game receiving these upgrades was the default defense when people asked who the fuck wanted a third remake for the same game in less than 10 years...
But now that we know the truth, some people are saying that expecting tlou2 gameplay upgrade was absurd or a low chance or some shit.
You can't made this stuff up...
IAmAnAgnostic
Member
I saw this reaction from certain types of fans coming from a mile away. It happens with every company with a shall we say 'particularly loyal' fanbase.
Pretty damn obviously a remake since it literally is one? They tried to closely enough but not identically create the gameplay of the original, but it was rebuilt from the ground up with major changes all around. I don't know what you're trying to say with the re-remaster since there was no remaster of Demon's souls..?
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hemo memo
Gold Member
70$
No gameplay changes
Part 2 looks and plays better
Ridiculously overpromising and underdelivering
Calling it a remake
Ass of Can Whooping
Member
Jimaster
hemo memo
Gold Member
Demon Souls didn’t have a PS4 remaster for starters.
Ellery
Member
Good observation for sure, but that was not the question really
Markio128
Member
Simple. If it’s made from the ground up, then it’s a remake.
MarkyG
Member
ND are probably not helping their cause when they use terms like "built from the ground up" - Not sure this is the case. I get they transitioned to TLOU 2 engine but as far as I can see, the actual environments are probably still base PS3, they revamped the texture work. The pricing is also a sticking point for many. Considering this is the 3rd outing for this game, they should either reduce the price or give a discount to those who own the previous titles. Either way, I'll be picking this up for PC when it eventually lands.
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Ass of Can Whooping
Member
Pointless discussion. This is a remake.
Not the remake I wanted. But a remake nontheless
Not the remake I wanted. But a remake nontheless
Ellery
Member
And where does Demon's Souls PS5 land in that category? Is it made from the ground up?
IAmAnAgnostic
Member
As I said prior, yes it is. A bit off topic, but there you go.
Ellery
Member
Looks like you don't get a notification when someone edits their message.
And thank you for the answer. It is indeed a remake yes.
Markio128
Member
I’d say so, yeah, but I’d also argue that TLOU remake has received more work than DS, as in the AI, etc.,
A remaster would just tart up the existing assets.
Johnny Concrete
Member
The rebuilt them EXACTLY like the original. How about that?
Moses85
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FunkMiller
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I think this remains a poor comparison point.
OG Demon’s Souls was an extremely janky, early Ps3 game that was only played by a small number of people. It lacked technical polish, and was difficult to play for the wrong reasons, as well as the right ones.
The Ps5 remake fixes all these problems, brings the game to a much wider audience, as well as massively upgrading the graphics and audio fidelity. It justified its full price tag.
TLOU was already a technical masterpiece, bought and played by millions upon millions of people. Far less work appears to have been done on this version than what Bluepoint did on their restoration and remake. This TLOU remake does not justify the full price tag.
Both are remakes for a modern console. Only one is worth the money.
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Bernardougf
Gold Member
10 M selling .. thats great.. at least if you were not expecting to sell 15 - 20 million ... not saying thats the case but the quantity of something sold does not represent its success in the grand picture.
Force awakens made 2 billion dollars ... them came Last Jedi divided the fan base and after that Rise of Skywalker barely made 1 billion ... thats 50% less revenue after just 4 years (without inflation)... it is a disaster... but any other movie making 1 billion ?? Thats a success ...
As much as people like to play that Last of Us 2 is the second coming of jesus of gaming, that game was divisive and I can guarantee that it affected the total selling, but the real effect will be seen in their next game (that is not a remake) .. maybe It will sell exactly what they predict and wanted, maybe not... time will tell
Strategize
Member
Nah, you need something that looks like a movie to convince normies who have no interest in games, cause it's what they understand, TLOU's intro more often than not works perfectly for this. They wouldn't even understand what makes the games you mentioned intellegent because they don't understand game interaction/design to begin with.
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Moses85
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CartesianMan
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I'm happy for the fans of TLOU series, and for the players that play first TLOU2.
Looks solid for 50$ game, but I don't want to revisit 8/10 game. The experience will be 95% same as the original.
Will wait for PS+Extra-duper release after 2 years.
Now please announce two important things:
1. TLOU3
2. The retirement/ zero creative involvement of neil druckmann. Can't stand dudes that hate fans and can't handle criticism. hush-hush go away.
Looks solid for 50$ game, but I don't want to revisit 8/10 game. The experience will be 95% same as the original.
Will wait for PS+Extra-duper release after 2 years.
Now please announce two important things:
1. TLOU3
2. The retirement/ zero creative involvement of neil druckmann. Can't stand dudes that hate fans and can't handle criticism. hush-hush go away.
Strategize
Member
Remaster - GTA5, TLOU Remastered, Uncharted: Legacy of Thevies etc
Remake - TLOU Part 1, Demon Souls etc
Reimagining - RE2, FF7 etc.
Zekra Dezivad
Member
It doesn't make sense, new assets are new assets. You are literally taking into account even how many people played the original game and how bad the graphics was or unpolished just to justify price concern.
How "bought and played by millions" stand in the supposed difference in "work" between the two?
Strategize
Member
Good luck getting TLOU3 without it's main writer/director, they couldn't even do the TV show without him.
GymWolf
Member
Hopefully the dude who made a masterpiece like cernobyl has nothing to learn about writing from drunkman, hopefully his only contribution was for specific details of the characters\lore and nothing else.
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Strategize
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He co-wrote the script and directed an entire episode my guy.
I did not call anyone who is gonna buy the game. obviously, it will sell shit tons too. which makes my original post more of a joke if anything since I am in the minority thinking this way ( hell if all GAF are like that we still a minority vs casual public )
my problem is with Sony and this stupid trend they are doing lately. not just this, even all their games on PC are full priced games as if they were being released day one. not a 4+ Years old game.
who is letting Sony get away with it? it's you and the rest of you who are willing to support this behavior.
I am not judging you or anyone for buying it again or 10 times too. your money. do whatever you want.
Not really. in terms of Mario Kart. the WII U was a dead system and Mario kart needed to be ported because it was / is still a masterpiece. so it did make sense. can't say the same when they released the last od us on a PS3 at the end of its life with millions and millions of user base, THEN again remastering it on PS4.. fine... now lets sell it for the third fucking time and we call it a remake this time.
Sony looking at their fans at this point as if we are fucking monkeys. nothing more.
As for Zelda you mentioned. how much was it on Switch again ? 70$ ?
Zelda was $60 and it was released in 2011. Is it a remake or a remaster? About Mario Kart i don't care if it was on a dead system or not the same applies.
I don't pay games at full price anymore or buy launch games or preorder games. So I'm not a fucking monkey like you think Sony fans are. The things is Nintendo do it and it's fine but if Sony or even MS do it then it's bad. Oh because the Xbox One and PS4 were not dead system right? If they were a dead system the then company can port 10yr or 5yr old games for the new console and sell it at full price $60-70 maybe improve them a little bit here and there at best a remaster... not even a remake.
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GymWolf
Member
Jesus fuck.
Dr Kaneda
Member
This trailer shows the power of advertising. Footage is virtually the same as what was leaked and disappointed so many a few days ago, yet edit it in a fancy way and have devs talk over it with PR jargon and it fools a lot of people.
Of course the game looks graphically improved. Of course they've incorporated minor gameplay changes/improvements. But:
Of course the game looks graphically improved. Of course they've incorporated minor gameplay changes/improvements. But:
- Despite boasting about motion matching the animations still for me do not look TLoU2 level, if anything they look extremely close (if not verging on identical) to TLoU1.
- They touted AI improvements and yet showed absolutely none in the video. Going by the leaked footage the AI is still as braindead as it was in TLoU1
- It's totally devoid of all of the gameplay mechanics that made TLoU2 so, so good and is basically the same state as what makes TLoU1 feel extremely dated and clunky. Why even take on this project if you're not going to rework those elements? Seems completely pointless.
SSfox
Member
Bro it's just some graphics updates, but those guys are harcore try to making it like it's gonna be big deal.
You don't see the problem do you? I have money, i'm a fan of original TLOU, but i'm not byuing and supporting this BS nonsens.
If this useless remake will be success get ready for more useless remakes from Sony, next GOW 2018 and GOT remakes for PS6.
You don't see the problem do you? I have money, i'm a fan of original TLOU, but i'm not byuing and supporting this BS nonsens.
If this useless remake will be success get ready for more useless remakes from Sony, next GOW 2018 and GOT remakes for PS6.
