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Phile says whatever PR bullshit it takes to be the Golden Boy of Xbox fans.
The problem is that people aren't doing that. Unless, of course, you believe that white males make better games and that's why the industry is majority white males (in the us and Europe at least I imagine).How about appointing whoever is best for the jobs, regardless of colour. Checklist culture will fail long term imo.
fire Bonnie Ross and hire a black dude then.
Sure it’s sad, but maybe not surprising that a place like Neogaf isn’t a great place for professional advice. Especially after taking away the “college email” requirement.See I had not heard of these guys before. I think some people take this to the extreme when thinking about it ( even based off a few posts in this thread there are some with a "they will not replace us vibe in the posts"). There is no need for that. Spencer is saying they want to be more inclusive, but this isn't about making or changing anyone in a majority. This happens by Race, language, gender, all the time. It needs to stop.
That's 'murica 2020 for you.Why is it always black? Why not natives, why not mexican, latino, middle eastern, aboriginal, etc etc etc.
It's like there's only two ethnicities to some people. Black and white.
I thought the industry needs more competent people but whatever
You're missing the point.This way of thinking makes everything even more racist. Do the people that say this actually hear themselves?
You think that a black person isn't able to get the job only on merits so you have to make it more accessible for them?
Da fuck?
No, I just pointed out the hypocrisy.Indians probably don't consider themselves black you racist.
Yes very similar to wealthy elites and millionaire celebrities (like Ruffalo) preaching to us that the economy is broken and unbalanced....we should try socialism, etc. Lol.funny how these virtue signalling types supposedly striving for more diversity are never willing to give up their own jobs, just those of their subordinates.
The problem is that people aren't doing that. Unless, of course, you believe that white males make better games and that's why the industry is majority white males (in the us and Europe at least I imagine).
He's being an advocate of appointing the best person for the job and so essentially, you're just agreeing with him.
The studies for unconscious bias actually show that it makes things worse and more racist.You're missing the point.
The theory is that people aren't hiring the best people for the job. They are hiring the best person that looks like them, i.e the best white person available when they aren't the best person to interview.
It's supposed to be combating something called unconscious bias.
Look it up.
Nope, it shouldn't matter, but it appears that you are staying what it should be like. In fact if you read what diversity consultants write about their work and how you approach hiring/ promotion under "diversity and inclusion" you would know that this is not at all about giving everybody a fighting chance, but about the specific representation quotas, at all levels of all organizations all the time (anyway, with the awards putting in place representation requirements any corporation that aspire to even be considered for one needs to meet these requirements).It's about giving people opportunities, not jobs. When it comes to choosing the right candidate to promote/hire, skin colour shouldn't matter.
Why is it always black? Why not natives, why not mexican, latino, middle eastern, aboriginal, etc etc etc.
It's like there's only two ethnicities to some people. Black and white.
But people get hired all the time because of the color of their skin. Were you complaining when those people were white? Did you sit down and think to yourself "that black guy over there is damn near overqualified, why'd they hire that white guy?" 20 bucks say you have never said that.Hate things like this people should be hired on their own merit not the colour of Thier skin .
But people get hired all the time because of the color of their skin. Were you complaining when those people were white? Did you sit down and think to yourself "that black guy over there is damn near overqualified, why'd they hire that white guy?" 20 bucks say you have never said that.
My point is that Phil is coming at the problem wrong altogether. It shouldn't be "I need to give more black people a chance". Black People don't want special treatment. We want equal treatment.
Absolutely. Not only is it common, but it's normal. So people who aren't affected by it don't realize it's even happening.I've personally never seen that situation, for anyone of any color or gender, with a career spanning almost 20 years now. Do you think this is common?
Absolutely.
I never have no. But I never thought like that all. 30 years later I realised (because of BLM) most of my friends at School where Black and Asian. To me they are my friends. Are I suppost to now think of them as my Black and Asian friends because I sure am not going to. They are my friends.But people get hired all the time because of the color of their skin. Were you complaining when those people were white? Did you sit down and think to yourself "that black guy over there is damn near overqualified, why'd they hire that white guy?" 20 bucks say you have never said that.
My point is that Phil is coming at the problem wrong altogether. It shouldn't be "I need to give more black people a chance". Black People don't want special treatment. We want equal treatment.
I've personally never seen that situation, for anyone of any color or gender, with a career spanning almost 20 years now. Do you think this is common?
I've not only seen it before, I heard a manager joking about it when I used to work for Best Buy in 2009-2011. At the time, I never really heard anything like that in person as I knew it happened, but not so direct. I built PC's part time before I got hired at Best Buy and I used that experience to get a sales job, but they also hired me because I worked at a K-Mart and Toys R Us prior to that, keep in mind that was between 2007-2008. So the person that was going in for the same Sales Job at the PCHO department that I was in legit had 20 years experience with PCs, I felt like (oh shit, that man has seen some shit lol).
The manager legit stated he is more qualified then the entire PCHO team combined, then proceeded to joke about "we have enough homeboyz in PCHO" laughs, "brothas of PCHO" proceeds to laugh more. I laughed too, I was young, ignorant, I didn't get that he wasn't simply joking, but this man really didn't get hired and the process continued.
Only when I saw a bunch of other new people did I realize this person was for real. Its unfortunate and sad, but it really does happen sometimes.
Keep in mind I agree with your other post though, I get why sometimes that can happen, but the way the manager made those jokes came across like he had a issue with black people, even if it was in a joking way. The overqualified thing for sure is a whole different conversation of ethics. I hate hearing that shit, imagine punishing a person down on their luck because they spent decades of their life building a solid portfolio of a resume? That shit is depressing.
"Over-qualified" at some point becomes an excuse rather than a reason. I'm not saying this happens in all cases either. It's difficult to find hard proof. Typically a person won't know about the inner workings of some corporation and their hiring practices. However, once you're in a position at a company and faced withthe challenge of moving up the ladder it can become very apparent, very automatic and interestingly, under-identified.BTW, if it comes to being overqualified, a good reason to not hire someone is fear they will leave the position when they find something that's a better fit. Hiring is incredibly tough, time consuming and expensive. You don't want to hire someone who should be doing something else. I've never seen an over qualified candidate come through in my line of work, or see someone be ignored because of any kind of identity trait (which would be completely reprehensible), but yeah, the overqualified thing would cut across all demographics for the reasons I stated above. If you have seen it, ascribing it to race right off the bat seems strange to me.
Edit: Not saying I am 100% right here at all either.
I never have no. But I never thought like that all. 30 years later I realised (because of BLM) most of my friends at School where Black and Asian. To me they are my friends. Are I suppost to now think of them as my Black and Asian friends because I sure am not going to. They are my friends.
I think Phil has realized this and is trying to change it, but again I feel like the way he's doing it is by giving blacks special treatment. No, just stop looking at us as just "black people". Don't feel guilty, black people don't care about your guilt. Just start the process to make a change where everyone is on equal footing. Giving black people special treatment does nothing to help that. Then white folks, asian folks, hispanic folks start feeling discriminated against, which then in turn causes white folks to retaliate and the viscous cycle begins again