Time passes strangely these days, so it is easy to forget things that happened or were said or were pledged just five months ago.kotaku.com
During a recent interview with Xbox chief Phil Spencer, I asked him about this. His company, Microsoft, had made several pledges, including to do better by its Black employees, to recruit more Black workers to the tech giant, and to “double the number of Black and African American people managers, senior individual contributors, and senior leaders in the United States by 2025.”
That was in June, when everyone was talking about racial justice.
“One of the worries is you kind of get hyper-focused at a certain time, and the election comes along and months go by and you almost just kind of shift,” Spencer told me. “The conversation turns to something else. And I do think it’s something that we should come back to.”
We came back to it when we were speaking last month, during a conversation that was set up ostensibly to talk about the next generation of Xboxes, which we talked about plenty. We put the Xbox hardware talk on pause, though, when I asked how Microsoft was following through on its pledges. At one point in the exchange Spencer and I talked about Black people’s prominence—or lack thereof—in game studios and in leadership.
“The area where I think we really need to focus more as an industry, including my own team, are, as you said, those visible leaders,” Spencer said. “Because there was a generation where this didn’t happen.”
For years, Spencer was noting, Black people have not been given many chances to lead in gaming. Other people—the implication being “white people”—have ascended in the ranks at Western game companies.
“And as those people move up inside of the organization, you get a lot of people like me,” Spencer said, acknowledging that he’s yet another white guy in power. “And we don’t need more people like me in our organization. We need a more diverse team. So I’d say, for our focus right now, I think about manager representation.”
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Charity is charity, idgaf what charitable cause they choose.Should they pay for scholarships for black people and not for white people?
I mean, opportunities should be given regardless of gender or color. Positive discrimination is still discrimination.
funny how these virtue signalling types supposedly striving for more diversity are never willing to give up their own jobs, just those of their subordinates.
Strangely fitting, and I've started playing this since yesterday.Then quit, Phil.
Yeah xbox doesnt need more incompetent people. 100% agree.
I find it worrying that even people seeing the fallacies of identity politics are already (probably unconsciously) halfway there. If you didn’t have your PS and it was a white Nordic dude that typed it - would it be any less valuable to this discussion?Avery Brooks explains why SJW characters suck.
PS: I'm not Nordic White, I'm East-Asian with a Spanish racial mix.
Agree with Phil here. Would be good to see more diversity in gamings leaders and we're going to see that in the future.
Being diverse and hiring based on talent are not mutually exclusive.
No, obviously not. They were not before, but when you put identity traits that have nothing to do with the job in a check list of job requirement it does eventually lead to compromises on talent hiring-- that does both ways.Being diverse and hiring based on talent are not mutually exclusive.
Gaming should be for everyone and we want the best people to get leadership roles. Humans are diverse, so if you get the most talented ones then it is likely that they will also be diverse.Why does there need to be more diversity?
Funny thing is, I’m trying to think of prominent AAA black developers in this industry....and Jason and Tramell Ray Isaac were the only two who came to mind.There are some awesome black developers, they just need more exposure. Jason MacDonald is just one of them...
How about appointing whoever is best for the jobs, regardless of colour. Checklist culture will fail long term imo.
It's hypocritical for woke companies to preach ethics while having manufacturing contracts located in CCP's China.Spencer just accused every company without a black “leader” of being racist and part of some large problem. He couched his language in a more polite way. But he set himself up on a pedestal to judge organizations he has absolutely ZERO connection to.
If companies hired whoever was best for the job, every job, people would NOT need to have this conversation now. Fact is no industry has been untouched by race playing a factor in hiring.
I think that is more what its about. MS is being more progressive and saying they won't have a problem with this in the future, and or they want to be more multicultural (considering they have offices all over the world) this shouldn't be thought of as a bad thing. Or at the very least they are saying by extension, if you go to school and get trained in the right courses, you have options other than working at best buy ( not that there's anything wrong with it).
... and what if that is what he is saying? Right now do you think the playing field is even? Are you Racially discriminating if you say nothing about wanting to hire with more diversity, or by saying you want more diversity. People need to realize this is more "gray" then "black & white" ( no pun intended ).I'm black. Fuck this pageantry of pandering. Hire based off of your skill set, accomplishments and credentials, not your race. This is racial discrimination taking precedent over being qualified to do the job. I hate this shit. If anything, just even the playing field for applicants when applying for a position.
Gaming is already for everyone. People are already being hired for their individual merits rather than skin colour. 'Diversity' is a patronising crock of shit.Gaming should be for everyone and we want the best people to get leadership roles. Humans are diverse, so if you get the most talented ones then it is likely that they will also be diverse.
Jobs should always go the best person, regardless of skin colour or gender or anything like that. It's the job of leaders to make sure everyone has those opportunities.
True, but upbringing, culture, etc... are not inherent to the color of your skin.
Do you ensure the candidate from a certain minority group had not been adopted by white parents and grew up in suburbia? How do you regulate that?
Can you look at a team of white developers and think they are homogenous and non diverse just based on the color of their skin despite one being say French, another from the north of the U.K., another being from Spain, another one from Slovenia, etc...?
Fully agree here. The way I read it, Phil is not talking about putting identify traits in job descriptions. Instead he is talking about black developers having the opportunity to advance to people manager roles so that, as you said, they have the opportunity to apply for leadership positions later down the road.No, obviously not. They were not before, but when you put identity traits that have nothing to do with the job in a check list of job requirement it does eventually lead to compromises on talent hiring-- that does both ways.
Leadership in a specific industry arise more or less organically, people who are at the age of leading a studio or tech company now built their career in that field over the last 20 years, you don't come up at the end of the chain and say "we want more X leaders". To fix that kind of problem that must be addressed with the kids of the current generation, hopefully with the right tools 20-30 years down the road there will be more black leaders in this industry (if they, as a group on average, decide to even go in related fields).
See I had not heard of these guys before. I think some people take this to the extreme when thinking about it ( even based off a few posts in this thread there are some with a "they will not replace us vibe in the posts"). There is no need for that. Spencer is saying they want to be more inclusive, but this isn't about making or changing anyone in a majority. This happens by Race, language, gender, all the time. It needs to stop.Funny thing is, I’m trying to think of prominent AAA black developers in this industry....and Jason and Tramell Ray Isaac were the only two who came to mind.
I think Phil has a point here.
The goal should not be to regulate certain jobs for certain people or to have quotas, but to ensure everyone has access to the same development opportunities.