ethomaz
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It is a scaling algorithm... it won't look like native... and more you decrease the scaling (down to 50%) more the IQ will get worst but you will get better performance.
The goal is to trade IQ for performance.
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Nvidia releases AMD FSR alternative called NIS (Nvidia Image Scaling)
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The goal is to trade IQ for performance.
Buggy Loop
Member
I mean, why would you use it in CS:GO over native to begin with? To get 500 fps?
Beelzebubs
Member
Consoles.
Buggy Loop
Member
As an ATI/AMD owner since 1996 (even 2D cards), and only on Nvidia since 1060, I can pretty much say it’s almost just forums always hyping that the next one is the one for sure for so many decades. They had a few wins here and there in bang for the buck department, which does have a market in lower end cards, they even had the amazing HD 7970 (iirc?), but still always trailing in drivers and features until like maybe very recently.
How many promised drivers that would boost everything I saw from 1996 to 2016..
I can only think that younger I liked the underdog. Now I don’t give a fuck, open source or walled, who the fuck cares, I’ll buy whatever gives me the most value for the money.
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
But I couldn't see the graphic get worse. Maybe the text seemed off (because of the sharpening probably) but I didn't notice worse image quality.
Edit: my monitor is 1440p and I am running 1440p resolution, does that mean it does nothing? The Nis logo is blue so all it should do is sharpening, which makes it worthless, unless it still does something performance in the background?
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Kataploom
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I ask because of the games being isolated in a restricted location where no mods can get in due to UWP, I’m glad they can get these improvements btw
SirKicksalot
Member
Sharpening is active even if you don't use resolution scaling. Make sure you disable sharpening in the Nvidia Control Panel if you don't use NSI for performance reasons (or disable NSI entirely but then you should also reboot every time it's switched on and off).
xPikYx
Member
What do you need this for exactly? When dlss is not present?
The option should be into Nvidia control Panel->adjust size->select Nvidia Integer Scaling
Kataploom
Gold Member
LOL thanks but I fixed it in the dumbest possible way: Just right-clicked and closed the nvidia icon in the system tray, then reopened it again from start menu... Done. Da fuq? IDK, but it works
Just tried Dying Light on my little 3060 W11 PC at 77% and it ran great, locked 60fps on a 4K screen. Image quality looked good to my eyes, looking forward to a few more in depth videos showing how well it really upscales but it's looking good. Was planning on that particular PC being a 1080p game player for more demanding games but this may change that and allow for a nice 4K upscale on bigger games.
Now to test it on the living room 2080TI and see how much more life it brings to that.
Seems decent technology, turn that sharpen down though, default 50% is too much.
Now to test it on the living room 2080TI and see how much more life it brings to that.
Seems decent technology, turn that sharpen down though, default 50% is too much.
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ethomaz
Banned
Yeap that is the actual path:
Nvidia Control Panel > Manage 3D Settings > Global Settings > Image Scaling
The option didn’t existed before the new driver version.
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this video is from dec 10 2020 it has the gpu scaling tick box although it's been around even longer. They seem to have just renamed the option from sharpening to scaling
edit: Seems to be the same thing it seems to work the same way 2 years ago as it does now. Was mentioned is some FSR reviews but no one gave a shit.
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Knightime_X
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Will this improve \ benefit image quality on older games even if those games see like 500fps?
Say Dead Space or I don't know GzDoom?
Say Dead Space or I don't know GzDoom?
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MrFunSocks
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No, it’s to give you better performance at the cost of image quality/resolution.
No it's upscaling, so at the cost of image quality your getting more performance. If your after better quality in your example with something getting crazy frame rates you want to go the other way, render higher and downscale and for that the option in your nvidia driver is called DSR, and for AMD your after the option called VSR.
Kenpachii
Member
Not every game has dlss, not everybody has a DLSS capable card.
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mansoor1980
Gold Member
tried it on cyberpunk but why do i have to apply the scaling resolution to desktop?
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KormaChameleon
Member
Pretty much.
Darknssfalls
Neo Member
Enabling NIS creates some additional resolutions under your native resolution. If you choose one of them, NIS upscales the image with the selected resolution to your native one (losing some IQ depending on how below your are from that).
If the game doesn't support Exclusive Full Screen, like Forza 5, you need to select the resolution you want below native in Windows Screen configuration to NIS kick in. Hope It helps, because its a little confusing right now
Anyways, I'm pretty happy with it. Playing FH5 at locked 60FPS on 1440p Ultrawide (NIS 77%) at Extreme with MSAAx4 and RT mod without having to deal with low vram warning/slowdowns on a 3070+5600x
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Rudius
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Good thinking. Digital Foundry did some tests on the cost to run DLSS and concluded it would probably be expensive to run on low power hardware. This NIS solution should be much lighter.
sertopico
Member
Where did you find the version for Cyberpunk? CDP did not release any patch for the game yet. Or did you just put a random DLL into the folder? Based on my experience, the best dlss version is the white collie 2 you can grab here: https://developer.nvidia.com/dlss/research
Boy bawang
Member
I'm getting a Dell xps13 with Intel Xe interested graphics from my job. I wonder if this could allow me to casually play recent games on it.
Darknssfalls
Neo Member
Hi! What steps did you folllow? Have you enabled the NIS overlay to know when its working?
MightySquirrel
Banned
Just a warning. I had to reinstall the driver to finally turn off sharpening. That was the only way. Swithing off in both NVCP and Geforce Experience app did not disable it.
Werewolfgrandma
Banned
You have to pick one of the lower resolutions in the game and run it full screen or pick one of the new lower resolutions for desktop after enabling it
Kenpachii
Member
1) installed driver
2) reboot
3) enabled it in nvidia settings, screenscaling, on, 33%, indicator on.
4) screen goes black for a few seconds, comes back with 5 new resolutions
5) select new resolution that is lower then native put my desktop on it
6) boot up forza, set resolution on the resolution of my desktop and no logo in the corner nothing even if i set it native or lower doesn't matter
7) boot up fullscreen game, put resolution back to native in nvidia panel, set resolution to a lower setting in the game. still no logo or any upscaling going on.
For some reason yesterday i did saw sharpening and the logo appear in halo still no upscaling however.
I disabled the feature multiple times and reenabled + rebooted. no dice.
Honestly just feel like i bricked the driver or something at this point. Because the lower resolution was just lower resolution in the game there was no scaling going on.
Darknssfalls
Neo Member
I think I got It
When you select the lower res on Nvidia panel/Dektop you have to select your native res ingame. Try it and see what happens
Sentenza
Member
They sort of did.
You may want to check their respective growth in the past 10 years or so.
AMD was mostly kept alive (and recently brough to some success) by Intel's incompetence in the CPU departement.
Rea
Member
They said Cyberpunk will communicate with the latest graphics driver and install the new Dlss2.3 from the driver automatically. But I downloaded the Dlss 2.3 myself and install in the gamefolder. The result is astonishing.
Kenpachii
Member
I think I got It
When you select the lower res on Nvidia panel/Dektop you have to select your native res ingame. Try it and see what happens
No dice, tried it out. Maybe its because i run multiple screens, or ultrawide even while resolutions do show up perfectly fine
Watch battlefield 2042 use dlss 1.0.
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CuteFaceJay
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Ok been testing it this morning and seems like Nvidia NIS is just re-branded image sharpening that was already in their existing drivers. If anything this is just Nvidia throwing shade at AMD an FSR if you ask me 
Enabling NIS just sharpens the image and kinda makes it look like jaggy shit regardless of the % used in the feature settings. Best just stick to using DLSS if you want actual improvements.
Enabling NIS just sharpens the image and kinda makes it look like jaggy shit regardless of the % used in the feature settings. Best just stick to using DLSS if you want actual improvements.
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Buggy Loop
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Could Nvidia implement this for switch? I mean this is where it’s needed the most lol.
CuteFaceJay
Member
Could Nvidia implement this for switch? I mean this is where it’s needed the most lol.
NIS is image sharpening that just makes the image look like shit. Nintendo wouldn't want to apply it to make their games look worse would they
Midn1ght
Member
Tried it with Horizon Zero Dawn and Rise of the Tomb Raider (They removed DLSS not long ago) going from 1440p > 4K.
Horizon was fine, locked 60 and I can see the increase in resolution on my TV. Game still looks fine.
Rise of the Tomb Raider is locked 60 as well but I can clearly see the loss of image quality, went back to native 1440p and the game looked cleaner and better in my opinion.
This is a really nice option for older and non-RT cards but in my case I'll only try and check results for games without DLSS if I really want to push 4K.
Horizon was fine, locked 60 and I can see the increase in resolution on my TV. Game still looks fine.
Rise of the Tomb Raider is locked 60 as well but I can clearly see the loss of image quality, went back to native 1440p and the game looked cleaner and better in my opinion.
This is a really nice option for older and non-RT cards but in my case I'll only try and check results for games without DLSS if I really want to push 4K.
winjer
Gold Member
So I tried this on games.
No it's not.
It's a spacial upscaler. Like FSR, it's probably based on lazcos algorithm, with some edge enhancements on top.
It does have a sharpening filter. That can be turned off.
The Switch, because there are many games that run at sub native resolution, could use a better upscaler.
Most games on Switch just use some regular Bicubic upscaler. So having NIS, would be a better solution.
NIS is image sharpening that just makes the image look like shit. Nintendo wouldn't want to apply it to make their games look worse would they
No it's not.
It's a spacial upscaler. Like FSR, it's probably based on lazcos algorithm, with some edge enhancements on top.
It does have a sharpening filter. That can be turned off.
The Switch, because there are many games that run at sub native resolution, could use a better upscaler.
Most games on Switch just use some regular Bicubic upscaler. So having NIS, would be a better solution.
CuteFaceJay
Member
Ah I see. So is the oversharpening just an effect when using native resolution? Would you have to then drop the in-game rez below your native to see the effects for performance and image quality?
winjer
Gold Member
Yes. And you can toggle off the sharpening per application. Or better, set the amount you want on a per game basis.
Now this is as used by the user, in Windows.
But on the Switch, a developer would set the amount of sharpening he deems necessary.
No user input would be needed. And games would get a better upscaler.